Re: identify #cemetery from statues in photo? #romania

V Silver

Thank you so much for such a deep analysis.
I did get the answer from someone. Indeed, not a cemetery at all.
The Jewish Palestine Pavilion at the 1939 Worlds Fair at Flushing Meadows-Corona, NY

Since I likely have family buried in one of the cemeteries mentioned, I would be very interested in having the name of your contact and for Mr. Iordache in Botosani.
Is it possible to search Romanian cemetery records online or by email? (I assume not in English). As I'm new to these pages, I haven't yet researched this topic which is surely covered in depth.
Thank you again for your kind help.
Valerie Silver

Re: Name IDA #names

Carl Kaplan

In regards to my previous post, it has now been pointed out through a couple of private messages that names were never changed at Ellis Island. That had always been the family story, so I very much appreciate the information, and will be happily informing my family about this. Thanks again.

Seeking Additional Information on Daughters of Ida & Harry Gorelick #usa #belarus


"I have been researching my family's genealogy since the 1980's. My father Louis (Leo) Lurie was one of 8 siblings from Bobruisk which is now in Belarus.  His 3 oldest siblings were brought to the U.S. by an  aunt and uncle.
The names of this aunt and uncle are: Harry and Ida Soloff Gorelick. Ida was a sister to my paternal grandmother, Matleh Lurie.  Ida and Matleh also had a brother, Jacob Isaac.  Their family name was Solovieff in Bobruisk or Soloff (in the U.S. changed by Jacob Isaac's children.)

The three siblings arrived in the U.S. in Sept. 1912.  They went to Harry and Ida's apartment at 391 E.162 Street, Bronx, NY.  They worked for Harry, who had a paint store and hired out painters.  These male siblings were hired as painters.  From what I have been told,there was some type of disagreement between Harry and the siblings and they left NY and went to New Haven, CT.  From that point on there was no communication between Harry and Ida and the siblings, nor from the other 5 siblings who arrived in the U.S. in 1923.

Because of the non-communication with that part of the family, the only information I have came from what I found online from census records.  I know that Harry and Ida had 4 daughters: Rose born 1904 in Moscow, Fanny born 1908 in NY,NY, Lillian born in 1909 born in NY,NY and Dora born 1911 in NY,NY."  

After posting the above information on the Jewish Genealogy Portal on Facebook, I received a Facebook response from a Richard M. who was quite helpful. He gave me the names of the husbands of two of the daughters.
Frances (Fanny) Gorelick married Abraham Kutner and Lillian Gorelick married Mack Hersch.

I was able to locate additional information on Abraham and Frances Kutner.  Abraham was previously married and had a daughter born 1934-1935.  The couple had one son, born in 1938.

I am  still looking for any information on the two remaining daughters of Harry and Ida: Rose and Dora Gorelick, ie. marriage,children, death records.
I am also looking for the names of the children of Abraham and Frances Kutner and any of their  descendants.
as well as any children of Lillian and Mack Hersch and their descendants.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Searching:  Lurie& Soloff from Bobruisk, and Yaffe and Elovich,Abramovich in Novogroduk, Lubtch                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      

Mukacheve Marriage Records Indexed #ukraine

Banai Lynn Feldstein

The JGIRC is pleased to announce that we have indexed over 3,700
Mukacheve marriage records.

Visit our web site to learn more about the collection.

The records can be searched on the GeneaSearch web site

Stay tuned as birth and deaths will follow soon. Over 20,000 more
Mukacheve records have already been indexed and are being processed
to be placed online.

Banai Lynn Feldstein, Founder
Jewish Genealogy Indexing and Research Collective

Re: Translation from German #translation #germany

Corinna Woehrl

Hello Peter,

below please find the translation of the death certificate of Johanna Kaul, nee Zoellner.

May I ask to continue using the fantastic ViewMate-tool for such questions, as it is far easier to discuss or correct translations of documents there. Also, it is possible to upload documents in good quality - I couldn't enlarge the posted document but found it on Ancestry.

Regards from Germany, Corinna

Record book C (second copy of book A, the original)

Nr. 194
Berlin, January 1883

The following person, legitimized by the (medical) death-certificate, appeared today in front of the registrar
Julius Kaul, merchant
residing in Berlin-Prenzlauer Stern 31, and reported that

Johanna Kaul, nee Zoellner seventy-eight years old, of Jewish faith,
residing in Berlin, with him,
born in Posen, was married to the merchant Elias Kaul, deceased there,

Daughter of merchant Leib Levi Zoellner and his wife Lea nee Seelig, both deceased in Posen.
Passed away in Berlin - Prenzlauer Stern 31 at his home
on January the 29th in 1883 in the morning at 11 o'clock

Read, approved and signed
The Registrar [signature of registrar]

Re: Translation from German #translation #germany

Corinna Woehrl

Hello Peter and listreaders,

in order to avoid duplication of efforts, just the short information that I am working on the document

Corinna (Woehrl), Germany

moderated Re: "Unorthodox" - 2015 film about a college year spent in Israel and another, 2020 a wife, 19, flees to Berlin from Satmar Williamsburg #israel #germany #usa

sharon yampell

I read that book and it was discovered to possibly be a hoax; bool still made for good reading before I had heard about it possibly being a hoax…there is also presumably  a second book!


Sharon F. Yampell

Voorhees, NJ USA



From: JewishGen German Research Division Coordinator
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:51 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [] "Unorthodox" - 2015 film about a college year spent in Israel #israel and another, 2020 a wife, 19, flees to Berlin from Satmar Williamsburg #germany #usa


New York Times - March 31, 2020


How ‘Unorthodox’ Captured One Woman’s Flight From Hasidic Brooklyn

Deborah Feldman left her ultra-Orthodox Jewish community for a new life in Berlin. She talked about what it has been like having her autobiography adapted for Netflix.


Selling of Ukrainian Jewish Cemeteries and Mass Graves - Updated #ukraine

Tony Hausner

Yesterday I posted the following: I have been informed by folks in Ukraine that the Parliamnet has just approved the following. To sell the land on which Jewish cemeteries and the mass grave massacre sites are located.  At the following link are 3 files: 1) a letter shared with me, 2) a posting on facebook, and 3) U.S. PUBLIC LAW 113–154—passed in AUG. 8, 2014 that might be relevant.

I would appreciate any advice and assistance on this. 

I have since added additional files to the above folder:
I am still awaiting more definitive information on the actions that the Ukranian Parliament and the President have taken.  If any of you have documents or newspaper articles on this issue, that would be appreciated.  

Several of you have contacted me and I appreciate that help.   

Tony Hausner Silver Spring, MD 20901 301--587-6943 (primary email address: thausner@...)
Tony Hausner

Translation Request Please, MOLDOVAN #romania #ukraine #bessarabia

Nomi Waksberg

Hope this finds you all well.
I accidentally came across a legal document which includes a family name. Hopefully a translation will provide a clue or direction
as to what may have happened to him. It is dated 1942.
The document is posted on VIEWMATE, ID 79168.
From the Main VIEWMATE page, please select IMAGE GALLERY.
Since this is a recent entry it is found on the top few rows.
Click on the image and then ADD RESPONSE.
There is a Romanian stamp on this document, so initially I thought it was in Romanian.
I have since learned that the language is Moldovan and that Moldovia is sandwiched in between
Ukraine and Romania, so I've used various tags that may apply. There is no tag at this time for Moldova.
Thanks in advance for your assistance or direction on this document:
What type of document.
All parties named.
I tried google translate without luck. The type is not sufficiently clear for me to guess letters in a language I'm totally unfamiliar with.
Whatever light you can shed on this is appreciated very much.
(FIszenfeld is one of my prime family names)
Thank you much.
Nomi Fiszenfeld Waksberg

Translation from German #translation #germany


I would greatly appreciate a translation of this document written in German script. It involves Julius and Johanna KAUL.
Thank you, Peter Zassenhaus ZOLL.

Re: Selecting, scanning, identifying and desicarding old paper photographs #general

Barbara Stack

Hello everyone,
I suggest photos be scanned at at least 2400 dpi; studio photos can yield additional detail  and good cropping of individuals) up to 3,600, and this includes those tiny arcade photos, which are surprisingly good. While the person who scans may not treat the photo to digital restoration, a high resolution scan allows someone to do it in the future. And don’t forget, in the future people are likely to be viewing your photos on large, wall-sized screens.
The most important search environment in anyone’s life is one’s own hard drive. Photo captioning is essential to findability, and might include date (I use yyyy mm-dd), name(s) of individuals, location, and photographer name or source of photo. Likewise the naming and arrangement of nested folders can be important. . I often include a test document in the folder with details such as that this is cousin Joe’s album and the captions appear to be his own or his father’s, etc.
Finally, where the reverse side of a photo has captioning, you should also scan this, perhaps at a lower resolution like 600 dpi, and give it the same title as the photo with an additional word like “reverse.” Note also that any captioning on the face of the photo, as in the margins, is extremely important and the full print should be scanned—you can crop later
People have always shared photos and I have reunited family portraits kept by cousins in Russia and the US; different shots of the same reunion groups kept by different descendants; and found a photo of my grandmother unknown to our branch in a cousin’s album.
Of course keep the photos, in clean, archival storage of some sort with notes about sources and intermediate sources, and mention who you are and what you did.
Back up is meant to mitigate many different sorts of risks. Storage is increasingly affordable. One of my backups is a hard drive at my sister’s home half a continent away. Sharing photo scans is also a form of back up.
I just scanned my mother’s diary form 1933-37 and then spent a month preparing month-by-month pdfs.
Just do it!
Barbara Toby Stack
Berkeley, CA
Altstein, Altsztejn, Oldstein: Nowy Dwor, Mlawa, Poland, UK
Chsunstofsky, Chrzadowski: Brzeziny, Kikol, Lipno Poland
Resnick: Volhynia, Ukraine
Schleger: Lokachi, Ukraine
Stachowitz: USA
Stasiowich: Nowy Dwor, Mazowiecki, Poland
Thorner: Plock, Poland
Torunczyk: Warszawa, Poland
Yecht: Lokachi, Ukraine
Zlotnick: Nowy Dwor, Mazowiecki, Poland


moderated Re: "Unorthodox" - 2015 film about a college year spent in Israel and another, 2020 a wife, 19, flees to Berlin from Satmar Williamsburg #israel #germany #usa

JewishGen German Research Division Coordinator

New York Times - March 31, 2020


How ‘Unorthodox’ Captured One Woman’s Flight From Hasidic Brooklyn

Deborah Feldman left her ultra-Orthodox Jewish community for a new life in Berlin. She talked about what it has been like having her autobiography adapted for Netflix.

Re: Selecting, scanning, identifying and desicarding old paper photographs #general

Victoria Fisch

Jeremy Frankel and I find that it's more efficient to take digital photographs of documents and old photos. You will wind up with a higher resolution file, and you can line up all your documents / photos in good light and get to work. You need a steady hand, but we like the results better than scanning and it's simpler. We do this all the time when we are conserving records for clients.

You can also use DropBox to share photos with family, and to store large sized photo files in the cloud. For our clients we simply store the images in a file folder with a person's name, and file that within another folder for that particular clan surname. Then the computer lines up everything alphabetically. This way it is easy to identify and retrieve photos you might want to use in family narratives.

Best regards from hunkered down northern California.
Victoria Fisch

Re: Ukraine plans to sell Jewish cemeteries and massacre sites #ukraine

Ellen Shindelman Kowitt

The two Google Drive documents are not hyperlinked. Please re-post.

Local municipalities have been selling these Jewish cemetery and mass grave properties for years. What are the ramifications of this current announcement? For example, is it formally allowing/encouraging local municipalities or the national government to sell, or mandating that they will sell?

Can you - or a Ukrainian language reader on this thread - please direct us to the current Ukraine Parliament announcement? 

Ellen Shindelman Kowitt
Erie, Colorado

moderated Re: "Unorthodox" - 2015 film about a college year spent in Israel and another, 2020 a wife, 19, flees to Berlin from Satmar Williamsburg #israel #germany #usa

Vivian Kahn

I have watched two episodes and find the series very engrossing.

Vivian Kahn, Santa Rosa, CA

Re: Selecting, scanning, identifying and desicarding old paper photographs #general

joannegrosman joannegrosman

I will contact them. I did hear they have a project to list missing in action Canadian Jewish crewmen in Bomber Command.

Joanne Grosman
researching Czestchowa/Radomsko

Holocaust memorials in Montreal - #holocaust #poland #ukraine, #holocaust #poland #belarus #lithuania

Gary Perlman

The Baron de Hirsch cemetery in Montreal has 17 Holocaust memorials: These have been photographed and over 1900 names of the fallen with local (Montreal) ties have been entered by volunteers: Gary Perlman, Cindy Hershon, Daniel Zackon.

Yom HaShoah begins at sunset on Monday, April 20, 2020, so this seemed like a good time to share the information. Note that I am not knowledgeable on this subject; I just took the photos and organized the data entry. We hope that this information is useful to you.


Gary Perlman,

Some of the Memorials Show Names
Names Holocaust Memorial
337 Czestochowa, Poland
74 Hebrew Sick Benefit Association of Montreal
66 Russian-Polish Hebrew Sick Benefit Association
113 Pinsk, Belarus
180 Stolin, Belarus
286 Zamosc, Poland
483 Lublin, Poland
364 Vilna, Lithuania

Some features of the pages on the memorials:

  • Details: For details about each memorial (e.g., more photos, names), click on the Record button.
  • GPS: Each detailed record includes a GPS button that links to Google maps using precise coordinates of the memorial.
  • Places: "Birth places" link to Google maps using today's names towns. Other town names link to many resources on the locality page.
  • Names: There is an option to show names, so all names can be viewed and searched on the same page. (This option excludes the names on the Canadian Jewish War Casualties, to allow focusing on Holocaust names.)
  • Family and Towns: For some names, there are indications of additional family. Some names are accompanied by towns names.
  • Research: The names on the detailed record pages link to the JGS-Montreal Genealogy Dashboard, which includes a link to search the Shoah Names Database at Yad Vashem, the World Holocaust Remembrance Center. There you might find pages of testimony.

Gary Perlman,

Need help seeking Yitchuk and Yomtov GUTTMAN from Lubny & Katerinslav #ukraine

Gayle Schlissel Riley

WWII time my Shapiro's lost track of their family. The town was Lubny.
One brother stayed in Lubny and the other went to Katerinslav. One brother was Yitchuk and the other Yomtov Guttman.
What would you do to try to find out what happened?
I tried the holocaust museum. I wrote to the town(I got a lovely letter back) The museum had no records and they suggest I write to a man. BUT got no answer.
One son was in the army..Would there be records somewhere? Where do I write?
I am out of ideas?  I hope you understand what I am asking? HELP and Thanks Gayle

Gayle Schlissel Riley <keys2pst@...>

Re: Selecting, scanning, identifying and desicarding old paper photographs #general


I had many photos of my aunt's friends, whom I never knew and who were not Jewish. My sister and I went through all the photos.  Those that neither of us recognized went to the local library, which was happy to have them.  I then notified old classmates through Facebook that the photos were available at the library if they wanted to see them. 
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Re: identify #cemetery from statues in photo? #romania

Max Heffler

V Silver,

                An Eastern European Jewish Cemetery expert replied to me:


1)  My first reaction when I saw the photohgraph as a whole, without focusing on the couple or the statues, was that they were not in or adjacent to a cemetery because I saw no clear-cut indications that they were.  That is, I see no fence or gate or entrance to the cemetery as would logically and normally have been the case.  Secondly, I would think that statuary of this scale would be either part of a larger family mausoleum or displayed at the entrance or at some other prominent place within a cemetery.  The photo shows no sign of a mausoleum associated with the statues, nor are there signs that the art work has been placed in prominent proximity to a cemetery.  To me, this scene seems more likely to show a town square with the sculpture placed in an open area.  Of course, if the owner of the photo is certain of the provenance of the photo, then he or she may know definitely whether the couple is standing near a cemetery.


2) Of the towns mentioned as possible locations, Barlad, Botosani, and Bucharest, I believe that we can rule out the cemeteries in Barlad and Botosani.  I have visited all three locations; however, I have worked in only one of the cemeteries in Bucharest.  In Barlad there are supposedly three Jewish cemeteries.  I have visited two of them, and I can say this statuary was not there as of 2014, nor were those cemeteries of a scale that would have accommodated such a large monument.  The third Barlad cemetery was overrun with vegetation and inacesible, but again, the modest size of that cemetery would argue against a sculpture this large. 


I have seen information indicating three cemeteries located in Botosani; however, Mr. Iordache, the caretaker there, has told me there are only two.  I have visited both repeatedly and the statuary in question was not present.  In addition the size of the two cemeteries argues against a monument of this size having been located there in the past.


Bucharest seems a more likely candidate for the location of this monument.  I have visited only one of several large cemeteries located there, in part because I have found information about the cemeteries in Bucharest to be singularly confusing.  However, if Ms./Mr. Silver believes the photo shows a Romanian cemetery, then I would start with Bucharest.


3)  If the search has to be expanded beyond Bucharest, I would suggest keeping in mind several fairly obvious points.  Firstly, I would guess that the monument is located in a large urban area.  I can think of cemeteries in Warsaw, Lodz, Wroclaw, and Budapest where this monument would not be markedly out of place despite its scale.   Secondly, perhaps that large urban area would also be one with a signficantly assimilated Jewish population that also displayed marked socialist or Bund inclinations.  The monument strikes me as more secular and socialist than religious, and if that is true, it would require a significant part of the relevant population to be able to implement its erection in a cemetery where most of the art work is relatively conservative.


4)  If Ms./Mr. Silver needs the asssistance of someone on the ground in Romania, I can provide contact information for a good man with whom I have worked repeatedly.


Max Heffler


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I believe this photo was taken at a Jewish cemetery in Romania and I’m wondering if anyone might be able to identify it from the large statues?

If I had to guess at a city/location, I might guess Bucharest, Barlad, or Botosani.

Thank you if you have any ideas about where to look.  I did try a Google images search but no luck so far.

V Silver

Miami, FL, USA




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