Looking for WEINGARTEN family #galicia #russia


I am looking for information about my great grandfather Jose Weingarten and his family. He is forn Kovel, Ukraine. He was one of the many children of Natan Weingarten and Rajel Bulning

Re: Morris Fogel going from Illinois to Poland 1921 #poland

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>

He might not have had a passport. They weren't required in early years, and then they were only for citizens, I think.

Re: Kovel, Ukr. (Volhynia Gub.) #ukraine


Im am looking for my great grandfather. His name was Jose Weingarten and he lived in Kovel, he had 7 siblings. His fathers name was Natan Weingarten and his mothers name was Rajel Bulning. He also had a wife and daugther, but we dont know their names.

Re: New Jersey Jewish Cemetaries #usa


I would look at Riverside Cemetery in Saddle Brook. A number of my ancestors who lived in NY (Bronx, Manhattan, Queens, etc.) were buried there. Likely as Allan said, their societies had plots there.
Jeff Goldner
Researching Goldner, Singer, Neuman, Braun, Schwartz, Reichfeld (Hungary/Slovakia); Adler, Roth, Ader (Galicia); Soltz/Shultz (Vitebsk, maybe Lithuania)

Re: Kowel #ukraine


My great grandfather came from Kovel too. I woud like to know how you managed to trace him back?
His name was Jose Waingarten, maybe it rings a bell

Re: Searching for Relatives/People from Posvil Lithuania #lithuania


My greatgrandfather name was Jose Weingarten and he was from Kovel. He had 7 sisters or brothers but we dont know their names. His fathers name was Natah Weingarten and his mother name was Rajel Bulning. He also had a wife and daugther, but we dont know their names.
Tell me if something rings a bell.
Alexis Levy 
Mexico City

Re: Morris Fogel going from Illinois to Poland 1921 #poland

A. E. Jordan

-----Original Message-----
From: Marilyn Levinson via <>

If I am unable to find a passport online is there any agency I can write to to request a passport application.  It is unclear to me whether Morris was a U.S. citizen at the time of his second trip. 

US Passport applications are still at the Passport Bureau but the applications to 1925 are online at Ancestry (and maybe other databases).

I am not sure if the Passport Bureau would even search a year before 1925 since as far as it is concerned the records went to the National Archives who microfilmed them and then shared them with Ancestry.

Start with the online database and use all the variations of the name or wildcards for the search.  Passport applications were usually a few weeks or months in advance of the departure.  Most people did not go over and right back so if he returned in 1921 he might have gone over in 1919 or 1920 for example.

It might help to see if he is in the 1920 census because that will also confirm where he was living before he departed.  Otherwise go backwards from 1920 with city directories or WWI draft cards or 1915 state census, etc. to see if you can figure out where he was living.  However passports were always federal government so they will not exist at the state level.

If you have his 1921 return passenger list that should show if he was a citizen or not.  The lists separated citizens normally although since he was bringing in immigrant family members it might be confused.  Also sometimes on the passenger list you will see either handwritten or even typed in a pp# notation which is his passport number.  Look for that notation because it is usable to search for the passport application.  For late 1920s and 1930s applications I have actually sent the Passport Bureau copies of the passenger list highlighting the person.  (The first time I applied for my great grandfather's passport the bureau said not found but then I found his passenger list with the notation and sent it to them and they then found what had been not found on the first search.)

I am not certain, but I would think, you family would have gotten a passport or some sort of identification before leaving the USA so that he would not have had a problem coming back.  After World War I the USA was getting a lot tougher on entry even before the quotas went into effect.  Also interestingly I have seen a lot of early 1920s passport applications to go to Eastern Europe and there were restrictions on the travel.  So the applicants in the USA had to state not only a reason but in most cases had to provide supporting information and were investigated.  One application I saw from that period had copies of a multi-page handwritten letter from the father and relatives in Yiddish to the son in America along with a full translation of the letter sawing how bad things were in Poland and the son stating he wanted to go visit his elderly parents.  Another application I aw a man was trying to get into Poland and it was denied so he ended up saying her was going to Austria ... leaving you to wonder did he sneak across the border to see his family.

Allan Jordan

Re: Free online digital map collections #announcements

Lewis, Megan

Two other good free online map collections are
David Rumsey Map Collection
Urban Maps Digital from the Center for Urban History of East Central Europe
Megan Lewis, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

Think of the list like Jeopardy #guidelines

A. E. Jordan

Start with your question or goal or write your posting in the form of a question please.
Might not translate to our international subscribers but everyone in the USA will know what I mean when I say think of this like an answer on Jeopardy (it's a game show on TV where you have to answer in the form of a question).
Start with your question or a simple declaration of what you need before you start telling all the background.
I need to find the grave of Joseph Bauman ... he died in January 1962 in Brooklyn NY ...... now I will tell you everything I have done, his life history, his mother's recipe for matzo brei and more ... it's clear and simple and if I have pertinent information about searching for a grave I know the who, the what and the when and can contribute.  If I start by telling you when he came, where he came, his distant relatives, his wife, the marriage, etc. etc. etc. you never get to all I need is the man's grave.
I don't know about everyone else here but when I am busy I only read the first sentence to see if I can contribute.  If I don't see the question or goal immediately it is not clear if I have the pertinent experience and I am sorry to say it I hit delete most days.
So please on behalf of all of the posters / readers / contributors before you hit send make sure you start you message with your goal or your question and then give us the background.  Try it ... you might be surprised how many more pertinent responses you will get.
Thank you
Allan Jordan

Gundersheim #germany


Hello. I am looking for help finding info on David Gundersheim. The info I have is sparse. He died in 1828 possibly in Romsthal/Eckradroth I have burial info for the cemetery and he is not on it. He possibly was married to Hanche (Chai) Ochs or Orb.... I realize this is poor information. I cannot read German (I use translator) and I know name adoption makes things tricky. 

He had 2 sons

Salomon Gundersheim (1808-1856)

Lob Gundersheim (1811-1834)

I apologize for disturbing you but I would like to find more info and connect Gundersheim with Gundersheimers of Mittleson, Germany. Advice is welcomed. I hope you are healthy and safe. Best wishes, Adam Gundersheim

Re: Help Transcribe the Cairo Geniza Online #translation


Good morning,


I would love to see whether I can help with this but the information is not available – Requested page does not exist.

All the best, Malka Chosnek

Re: New Jersey Jewish Cemetaries #usa

A. E. Jordan

-----Original Message-----
From: Dahn Cukier v

I am searching for my grandmother's grave I only know she died in
October 1974, probably in the Bronx. I have been told she is buried in
Southern NJ, but that may be a reference to south of NYC.

QUESTION: Is there a complete list of Jewish cemeteries located
in New Jersey?


The IAJGS did a comprehensive listing

but it is long and sorted by town. 

If she was buried in New Jersey it could well be because she was part of a burial society that had its plot in New Jersey.  I ran into a similar situation a few months back when I was tracing someone and it turned out there was a Bronx Ladies Auxiliary that had a plot in a smaller cemetery in New Jersey.

Is she buried do you think with your grandfather?  Sometimes following other family members gets you to the right grave.

I believe under the NYC privacy laws you are entitled to a copy of your grandmother's death certificate.  It will have to wait till the current public health crisis is under control but then you can try ordering a copy of her death certificate as it should show the details on her burial.

Otherwise try the databases such as JOWBR on JewishGen, FindaGrave, BillionsGraves, etc. in hopes one of them captured the details.  I assume you already checked the newspapers to see if the family placed a death notice.

Funeral homes some times have the records but 1974 could be a challenge to find the funeral home to begin with.

Hope this helps and gives you a few ideas.

Allan Jordan

Morris Fogel going from Illinois to Poland 1921 #poland

Marilyn Levinson

My ancestor emigrated to the United States in 1913.  I have his passenger manifest.  In 1921, he returned to Poland to escort his wife, sister-in-law and brother's children to the U.S., and I have this manifest.
He returned to the States with these people in 1921.  I am unable to find a passport application on line.  It would be wonderful to discover because I could see a
picture of Morris.  If I am unable to find a passport online is there any agency I can write to to request a passport application.  It is unclear to me whether Morris was a U.S. citizen at the time of his second trip.  On the 1921 manifest he is listed as Moses Feigel, born about 1882, arriving NY March 23, 1921, on the SS Mount Clay (which is another fascinating story about how the ship was diverted from New York to Boston because of typhus concerns), so he may have disembarked in Boston rather than NYC.Thank you for your help.
Marilyn Levinson
Spring Lake NC

Re: How to learn if an immigrant received US citizenship? #usa


The date your mishbocha became naturalized can be significant. My grandparents immigrated in 1913 but in researching their history I discovered there did not become US citizens until 1942 — the year textbooks show the Einsatzgruppen burned their home village to the ground and murdered every one in it, 

Re: New Jersey Jewish Cemetaries #usa


You could also try contacting one of the Jewish genealogical societies in New Jersey for more information.

Jewish Historical Society of Central Jersey:
Jewish Genealogical Society of North Jersey:



Re: Seeking a book by Gabriela Mistral #france #germany #holocaust

Peter Lobbenberg

Hi Kira,
There is a copy available on Abebooks from a dealer in Chile for $200 plus $35 postage to USA (ouch) - but you might be able to persuade the dealer to photocopy you a few pages out of the kindness of his heart!
Stay well,
Best wishes
Peter Lobbenberg, London

Son apparently named after living father #names #germany

Peter Lobbenberg

I have just found on Ancestry the marriage record of Isaac Mayer and Barbara Strauss, born Simon, in Mainz in 1848.  Here's a loosely translated extract:
"On 19 January 1848 there appeared before me, etc ... Isaac Mayer, citizen of Mainz, hitherto living in Ingenheim, born in Kriegshaber in Bavaria on 31 January 1815, adult son of Joseph Mayer, teacher of religion, who died in Kriegshaber on 4 February 1818 and his wife Therese Bachmann who died in Kriegshaber on 15 April 1830.  The grandparents too are deceased: Joseph Mayer in Altenstadt on 24 January 1812, Rachele Landauer in Altenstadt on 2 June 1786, Elias Bachman [sic] in Altenstadt on 5 January 1803 and Fanny Bachman in the same locality [ebendaselbst] on 5 August 1840."
The record appears unusual in naming grandparents: I wonder if the explanation is that Isaac had no senior family members available to approve the marriage (the bride's mother, in contrast, is specifically recorded as living and present and as giving her approval). 
But I'm mainly posting about Isaac's father.  He is named Joseph Mayer - but so is the grandfather, who died only three years before Isaac's birth and must therefore have been living when Isaac's father Joseph was born.  I had thought there was a long-standing rule or custom among German Jews not to name children after living relatives, much less a living parent.  Can anyone suggest why that rule might have been breached in this case?  I'm aware that there has been recent discussion of this phenomenon on another thread, but that appears to centre largely around Eastern Jews and Sephardim, and I'm particularly focusing here on German Jewry.
Many thanks in advance,
Peter Lobbenberg in lockdown London, UK


Need help to decipher town name #austria-czech


I've posted an entry from the 1920 US Census showing a person's
birthplace. I can read "Austria", but not the town or city. To me it
appears to start with "Hosch....". Keeping in mind that this was post-WW
I, can someone do better?

Thank you


Re: How to learn if an immigrant received US citizenship? #usa

Elana Broch

Are you asking for historical/genealogical reasons?

Currently:Noncitizens living in the United States may be eligible for Social Security if they: are permanent legal residents; have visas that allow them to work in the United States; or were allowed in the country under the Family Unity or Immediate Relative provisions of U.S. immigration law.Oct 10, 2018

Re: Oshman Moshe from Wilna Lithuania that married Miriam Goldzicher in Warsaw Poland, #lithuania #belarus #poland

Howard Lewis

You should check out LitvakSIG on Jewish Gen. There is a district called Oshmiany which is part of the wider Vilnius (Wilna) region. That may offer you some clues about the origin of Moshe Oshman. The All Lithuania Database should help too. 

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