Re: Son apparently named after living father #names #germany

Rodney Eisfelder

I have seen similar situations as a result of surname adoption in both France and the Rhineland. It may be that the older Joseph Mayer was originally called Mayer Joseph. When he had to register a surname, he reversed his name and became Joseph Mayer - which happened to be the name of one of his sons.
However,  the dates suggest that the older Joseph Mayer may have died before receiving a surname, and so he was posthumously given the surname adopted by his son, because otherwise there would need to be a long and complicated explanation about why father and son did not share a surname. In either case, my guess is that the older Joseph Mayer was actually Mayer Joseph. If you can find the records of the deaths referenced in the marriage record, things may become clearer.

I have also seen marriage records detailing the grandparents' status when the parents are not available to approve the marriage - these are typically Napoleonic civil records from west of the Rhine in the first half of the 1800s.

Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia

Re: Seeking SLONIMSKYSlM / Aronovsky #names

Marilyn Weinman

-- Hi Rochelle,

 I saw your post,and I'm looking for my maternal grandfather who was Max Aronovsky on his Declaration of Intention,but Max Aronowitz on his draft card. He was born in Konigsberg,Germany,which is now Kaliningrad,Russia supposedly on October 1,1876, but I also have several other dates which he claimed as his birthday ! He changed his last name to Arnold when he entered the U.S. emigrating from Montreal into Niagara Falls on June 12,1907.
I have very little information about him, other than a few documents that I've found,and I don't know if he had siblings or not !

Not sure I'm of any help,but maybe there's a connection somewhere :) Looking forward to hearing from you.

Be well and Stay Healthy 

Marilyn Weinman

Re: Overdose of quinine #general #holocaust

Diane Jacobs

It has a horrible taste and once when I was in Africa I had to take 2 pills and was seeing double for over an hour. Scary stuff.

Diane jacobd

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Date: 4/7/20 4:59 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [] Overdose of quinine #general

I went to a boarding school where we were given a mixture of Gees Linctus and Quinine for almost any illness.  We called it "Kill or Cure".  Many of us believed it was dispensed because the nasty taste of Quinine enabled the matron to determine whether we were malingering or genuinely ill on the basis that only the genuinely ill would be prepared to drink the mixture.  Reading up about Gees Linctus and Quinine now, I am surprised we survived the treatment.
Diane Jacobs

Re: Overdose of quinine #general #holocaust

John Byng

I went to a boarding school where we were given a mixture of Gees Linctus and Quinine for almost any illness.  We called it "Kill or Cure".  Many of us believed it was dispensed because the nasty taste of Quinine enabled the matron to determine whether we were malingering or genuinely ill on the basis that only the genuinely ill would be prepared to drink the mixture.  Reading up about Gees Linctus and Quinine now, I am surprised we survived the treatment.

Need help with grandfather's name change and birthplace (Maramoros?) #austria-czech #hungary #names

Marilyn Weinman

-- Dear JewishGenners,

I guess being frustrated looking for information, is something that newcomers to the geneaology search, can expect....OR is just me ??
I'm looking for my paternal Grandfather by the name of Joseph Engel. According to the info that I've obtained from relatives or doing research,he was born in the Austria-Hungary area of Maramoros ,or from what I'm able to read, Mallimorishhungan ???? He was born either on January 4,1880 or November 15,1882  in what was Vanif or Unif ( again trying to read my Aunt's handwriting ),Czechoslovakia. I'm not sure if his birth name was Joseph or possibly Yehuda, or possibly something else. I do know he changed his name from Engelman to Engel somewhere around 1900, when he came to  the U.S. to avoid serving in the military,which I guess Jews didn't want to do at that time under Emperor Franz Josef. This all  according to my Aunt, his daughter. He came to the U.S. under his cousin's last name of Markowitz, for a reason that I don't know, and that's when he changed his name to Engel.

There are seem to be so many Sub - Carpathia Czechoslovakia/ Maramoros,Hungary towns in Romania or Ukraine, I'm unsure how to find what I'm looking for !

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Be well and Stay Safe :)


Seeking Morris SKLANSKREY- Russia to USA 1900 #usa #russia


I did not know how to title this.  So here goes.  My great grandfather is Morris Sklansky.  He and 3 of his 4 children came from Russia in 1900.  We have no idea when the forth child came since he is not in the 1910 Census.  Some between then an 1920 he came to the U.S. By 1920 he started a beverage company in Kalamazoo.  It is still in the family.  The family lived lived for some time in New York but at some point they moved to Chicago as by that time my Grandfather was married and they had their first child in 1914.  By coincidence there was another Morris Sklansky living blocks away from my Great Grandfather in New York.  This Morris was apparently a widower and was 40 years old, about the same age as my great grandfather. He was living with the rest of his family.  My great grandmother's maiden name was Celia Moise.  There is some confusion as to who was the father of her son Isadore Sklansky. I have looked it up in other places that his father was Abraham Sklansky.  I am not quite sure how that worked out.  I know for sure we are related, although we have never taken a blood test. But I know my father spend a summer in Kalamazoo and lived with his Uncle, wife and daughter   I know there are some Sklansky's registered here.  What I would like to know is if any one knows about the Morris Sklansky and his family. If he has any descendants.  There is one more Morris Sklansky who was professor at Northwestern.  I did correspond with his daughter at one time and her brother.  I am pretty sure that they are not related to the Morris that is not my grandfather.  I would like to know if there are any Moises that could be related to Ceila.  I do have two family trees.  But some of the Sklansky's don't seem to be related.  This does seem pretty confusing.

A boy named Zerubavel in Tel-Aviv 1928 #israel

Yonatan Ben-Ari

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From: Yonatan Ben-Ari <yonibenari@...>
Date: Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 7:04 PM
Subject: A boy named Zerubavel in Tel-Aviv 1928
To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@...>

I found amongst my late mother's childhood pictures a picture souvenir
of her boyfriend Zerubavel (no family name given. The picture was
taken in Tel-Aviv in 1928 when my mother was 14 years old. I presume
he was approximately her age. As the picture was given to her just
before she and her family emigrated to the USA , and my mother did not
return for another 43 years I presume she never saw him again.

If this picture interests anyone on this list I will be happy to send
it to them.

Happy Pesach to all and stay healthy.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

p.s. My mother's maiden name was ABRAMOWITZ later married KATZOFF.

Re: Hebrew translation request #translation #germany


Ooh, I can help with this one!

Having grown up in an observant Yekkish home, the word "Schnoder" was part of my (well, actually, my father's) vocabulary.

He would refer to a person having "Schnodered" a certain sum of money, and he had one of his many little money envelopes labelled "Schnoder-Gelt":  money that he had set aside for when he had to "Schnoder".

When men are called up to the Torah and say blessings before and after a portion of the Torah is read, this is followed by a blessing for the person, in which his name is included and he is blessed because he took part in the Torah reading.  This blessing includes an optional addition in which this person can pledge a donation to the synagogue.  The phraseology for this section is, "... ba'avur she'nodar ... ", which translates to "because he pledged [followed either by a specific sum or by "a gift" if he wants the amount to remain unannounced].  The words "he pledged" are "SHENODAR".  The money thus pledged was called his "Shenodar Gelt" or, said quickly, "Schnodergelt".

As to the Hebrew on top of the page:

"Eylu sheymos" (these are the names)

"Anshei HaKohol L"P [lePoh] sheAlu"  [the people from here who went up]

"LaTorah:"  (to the Torah:)

Have a wonderful and healthy Pesach!
Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA

Re: Son apparently named after living father #names #germany

Eva Lawrence

I've come across instances of of a German Jewish son having the same
forename as his father and it was invariably because
the family had to adopt a legal surname. The France and
parts of Germany was that father and eldest son had the same first
name, and I
believe that this was often imposed on Jewish name-adopters. I think
that it only happened at these watershed moments
and that the two men would generally go
on using their previous Jewish first names in situations
.although not on official documents.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK
Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.

Re: How to learn if an immigrant received US citizenship? #usa

Sarah L Meyer

I believe that permanent residents and those with a green card have social security numbers.  There are legal immigrants who are not citizens - they have TINs but are NOT eligible to vote.

Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Re: Help Transcribe the Cairo Geniza Online #translation

Adam Cherson

The url provided earlier is now obsolete. The correct url is:


Re: New Jersey Jewish Cemetaries #usa


Dani--It would be more helpful if you provided the name of your grandmother. Some of us know the ins and outs of online research (and Allan Jordan suggested a few) to actually find the information you seek.

Eli Savada
Bethesda MD

Looking for WEINGARTEN family #galicia #russia


I am looking for information about my great grandfather Jose Weingarten and his family. He is forn Kovel, Ukraine. He was one of the many children of Natan Weingarten and Rajel Bulning

Re: Morris Fogel going from Illinois to Poland 1921 #poland

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>

He might not have had a passport. They weren't required in early years, and then they were only for citizens, I think.

Re: Kovel, Ukr. (Volhynia Gub.) #ukraine


Im am looking for my great grandfather. His name was Jose Weingarten and he lived in Kovel, he had 7 siblings. His fathers name was Natan Weingarten and his mothers name was Rajel Bulning. He also had a wife and daugther, but we dont know their names.

Re: New Jersey Jewish Cemetaries #usa


I would look at Riverside Cemetery in Saddle Brook. A number of my ancestors who lived in NY (Bronx, Manhattan, Queens, etc.) were buried there. Likely as Allan said, their societies had plots there.
Jeff Goldner
Researching Goldner, Singer, Neuman, Braun, Schwartz, Reichfeld (Hungary/Slovakia); Adler, Roth, Ader (Galicia); Soltz/Shultz (Vitebsk, maybe Lithuania)

Re: Kowel #ukraine


My great grandfather came from Kovel too. I woud like to know how you managed to trace him back?
His name was Jose Waingarten, maybe it rings a bell

Re: Searching for Relatives/People from Posvil Lithuania #lithuania


My greatgrandfather name was Jose Weingarten and he was from Kovel. He had 7 sisters or brothers but we dont know their names. His fathers name was Natah Weingarten and his mother name was Rajel Bulning. He also had a wife and daugther, but we dont know their names.
Tell me if something rings a bell.
Alexis Levy 
Mexico City

Re: Morris Fogel going from Illinois to Poland 1921 #poland

A. E. Jordan

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From: Marilyn Levinson via <>

If I am unable to find a passport online is there any agency I can write to to request a passport application.  It is unclear to me whether Morris was a U.S. citizen at the time of his second trip. 

US Passport applications are still at the Passport Bureau but the applications to 1925 are online at Ancestry (and maybe other databases).

I am not sure if the Passport Bureau would even search a year before 1925 since as far as it is concerned the records went to the National Archives who microfilmed them and then shared them with Ancestry.

Start with the online database and use all the variations of the name or wildcards for the search.  Passport applications were usually a few weeks or months in advance of the departure.  Most people did not go over and right back so if he returned in 1921 he might have gone over in 1919 or 1920 for example.

It might help to see if he is in the 1920 census because that will also confirm where he was living before he departed.  Otherwise go backwards from 1920 with city directories or WWI draft cards or 1915 state census, etc. to see if you can figure out where he was living.  However passports were always federal government so they will not exist at the state level.

If you have his 1921 return passenger list that should show if he was a citizen or not.  The lists separated citizens normally although since he was bringing in immigrant family members it might be confused.  Also sometimes on the passenger list you will see either handwritten or even typed in a pp# notation which is his passport number.  Look for that notation because it is usable to search for the passport application.  For late 1920s and 1930s applications I have actually sent the Passport Bureau copies of the passenger list highlighting the person.  (The first time I applied for my great grandfather's passport the bureau said not found but then I found his passenger list with the notation and sent it to them and they then found what had been not found on the first search.)

I am not certain, but I would think, you family would have gotten a passport or some sort of identification before leaving the USA so that he would not have had a problem coming back.  After World War I the USA was getting a lot tougher on entry even before the quotas went into effect.  Also interestingly I have seen a lot of early 1920s passport applications to go to Eastern Europe and there were restrictions on the travel.  So the applicants in the USA had to state not only a reason but in most cases had to provide supporting information and were investigated.  One application I saw from that period had copies of a multi-page handwritten letter from the father and relatives in Yiddish to the son in America along with a full translation of the letter sawing how bad things were in Poland and the son stating he wanted to go visit his elderly parents.  Another application I aw a man was trying to get into Poland and it was denied so he ended up saying her was going to Austria ... leaving you to wonder did he sneak across the border to see his family.

Allan Jordan

Re: Free online digital map collections #announcements

Lewis, Megan

Two other good free online map collections are
David Rumsey Map Collection
Urban Maps Digital from the Center for Urban History of East Central Europe
Megan Lewis, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

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