Re: Rosenbusch #germany


Hi, I descend from the Rosenbusch family of Borken(Hessen). Joseph Rosenbusch is the earliest known with that surname.  He was born about 1743,  His father was Elchanen born about 1710. There are about 1500 members of the tree.
Also,  three brothers of my Wirth family married 3 Rosenbusch sisters from Gaukonigsberg.  I have not researched this family, but am in touch with descendants.
Dennis Aron dennisaron@...
Skokie, IL
My 20170119 Aron Family Tree is public on

Searching GRUNFELD (GREENFELD) family from Maramaros county. #hungary #rabbinic #romania


Prior to the Holocaust, our HEIMLICH family lived in the city of Szilagysomlyo (Simleu-Silvaniei).  We were a large Hasidic family of grandparents, ten families and dozens of grandchildren (one of them was my father).

In recent years we manage to find and connect with descendants of survivors or relatives of those who did not survive (such as a sibling), that made up our large family - except one: NAFTALI HEIMLICH b. 1901 who married GOLDA GRUNFELD b. 1904.

נפתלי הערצקא היימליך שנישא למרת גולדה לבית גרינפעלד : in Hebrew 

Before the war they raised, in Szilagysomlyo, four or five children - after the war no one survived - we lost any contact of Heimlich and Grunfeld families.

We do not know which city Golda came from – we only know that she came from Maramaros county.  The Name Golda We know from page testimony of two survivors written in 1957.  In a civil record from the 1930s we found that her name was written AURELIA.

Golda came probably from Hasidic family, maybe rabbinical family.  If the information above brings up any memory please contact us.



Yehuda Heimlich, Israel (yehudhe@... or yehudahe050@...)

Re: Rosenbusch #germany


Any first names? Dates?

Re: Discovered my grandmother owned land before the war, what now? #austria-czech #holocaust


I hope I am not duplicating information already given by others. Joch is indeed a measure of land :
[One joch is the area of a square 40 klafters (about 83 yards) on a side. This comes to 0.5755 hectare or about 1.422 acres. The plural is joche. Joch is also the word for a yoke in German, so this unit represents an area that could be plowed in a day by a yoke of oxen.]
So your grandmother had 43 Joch of arable land a meadow  - that is the meaning of "Ackerfeld und Wiese" in German. In German all nouns, not only proper names, are written with the first letter capitalized. (Please note how important it is to get the spelling correct when you are doing this kind of research:  the name of the town and the word "Wiese" were not spelled correctly in your message but luckily you attached the original document.)
Sorry to be a bit like a teacher (which I have been, among other things...).

Others have dealt with Mihalany CSR. ...  

Re: REISFELD, LEWIN, KANNER, Rabbi Dr Isaac LEVIN of New York - RZESZOW, Brody, Lviv, New York #galicia #poland


Your question related to Rzeszow, however, you have the Reisfeld family name in the header.  Josesh Reisfeld is my great grand father born (1861) in the Ukraine with 11 children.  Could we be related?

My wife's great grandfather is Herman Kanner, born 1870 in Austria, with three children.  Could there be a connection here?

Re: Lost family from russia somewhere #latvia #lithuania #russia


Trade union magazines/newspapers of the era often wrote articles about their members.  There is one about my maternal grandfather in a series called "Pioneers of the Union."  My understanding is that he was a shop steward/secretary, not a very high position, yet the article is probably 20" long, complete with a photo.  If you know that either your grandfather or his brother belonged to a union, check their records as well.
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Surname Adoption derived from Mother #names


Does any one know of families adopting a mother's or grandmother's surname? I know that three LEVI brothers residing in Ihringen, Grandduchy of Baden-Durlach in 1809, adopted BLUM as their surname.  I suspect that this was the surname of their grandmother who probably was a member of a BLUM family in neighboring Alsace where BLUM was a surname in use in the 18th century.  Their Mother's maiden name was WEYL, and she too was from Alsace (Ribeauville). 

Dan Bing
Knoxville, TN 

2020 US Census, post census thoughts #general

jeremy frankel

The coronavirus pandemic has pushed the 2020 US Census off the front-page news. Obviously people have more important things on their mind. Looking at the California figures, some 47% of households have already responded online, making it the #1 state for online response. Admittedly I didn't fill it out on 1st April (but did it the next day) and got a confirmation number. Hence it was very interesting to receive in the mail (alas unstamped, undated) last week a pristine paper copy. This will augment my digital blank and filled-out copy.

As many of us have now seen, a census it may be, but it has about the least amount of genealogical information since, well, 1850. Why is that? Here's my take; as has already been reported in the BBC News about next year's UK 2021 Census, so many government agencies already have the goods on us; asking us to repeat what they know would be a waste of time. However, to amend the Constitution would be a massive undertaking and there would probably be a huge 'push-back' from the citizens of America. Hence, it's far better, every decade to have a meaningless census than amend the Constitution.


Jeremy Frankel
formerly: Edgware, Middlesex, England
now: Sacramento, California, USA

Gilman family in Kochonov of Orsha district of Mogilev Gubernia #belarus


Seeking info. on Gilman Family

Re: Lost family from russia somewhere #latvia #lithuania #russia

Nancy Seibert

In my experience searching for relatives who emigrated from the former Russian Empire, I've found that documents after 1917 will show a country of residence/birth more specific than "Russia". A town/city may be provided earlier than that on a ship manifest.
If you do happen to find that your Rosenbergs originated in Latvia, please see "LatviaSIG" and "CourlandSIG" in JewishGen (though recently, read that these Special Interest Groups groups soon will be called something else).
In CourlandSIG, regarding Cossacks in Courland, see: - "Jewish Communities in Courland: In Memory of My Native Town Windau" , by Dr S. Lipschitz, in "The Jews of Latvia", Association of Latvian and Estonian Jews in Israel", 1971.
Dr. Lipschitz relates a history of the 1905 Revolution in Courland, saying that Cossacks were dispatched to Courland to quell the uprising. My own family history includes stories of Cossack raids in Courland, the increasing frequency of which prompted my family to leave, beginning in 1906.

Nancy Seibert 
Researching: Seibart/Seibert/Tzibart; Sandel/Sader; 
Allman/Ullman; Shalkovsky/Zalkoff in Latvia

Re: Discovered my grandmother owned land before the war, what now? #austria-czech #holocaust

Jim M

My family comes from Kamenna Poruba, a town near Zilina in Slovakia.   My brothers and I visited the town in 2017 and arranged a meeting with the  mayor.   He told us that our great-great-grandmother, Julia Millichova in their records, was the last known owner of a plot of farmland outside town.   She died in 1925.  The land had been collectivized in the 1950's.  Our guide (and translator) took us to one of the fields on the edge of town, where we touched our past.   All we brought back was a picture of me running my hands through the soil.

We have made no steps regarding ownership and don't plan to.   The experience was enough.

Jim Milch
pursuing MILCH, HAAS, and SPECHTER  near Rajec, Solvakia.

Re: Lost family from russia somewhere #latvia #lithuania #russia

Sheila Toffell

Hi Jon,
where in England is the major thing. Do you know if it was the East End of London? if so, it is possible they were taught their trades by the Jewish Board of Guardians.  this is a section from a Wiki on the org at   where there is a lot more info.

Education, Apprenticeships and Employment[edit]

The Jewish Board of Guardians main aim was to create a self-supporting class. They focused on education and apprenticing the future generations to stop them becoming impoverished. "The work committee acted in conjunction with the loans committee and became the industrial committee in 1872."[27] The Board aimed to provide apprenticeships for boys and girls.

Laurie Magnus states that, "Following the loans of sewing machines the industrial committee used this money to accomplish 2 main purposes:

  1. Loan of tools and implements to carpenters, cabinet makers, show-makers, printers, book-binders and other mechanics on the same basis as the on which the loans of sewing-machines to tailors and umbrella makers had hitherto conducted.
  2. Giving security for tailors and mechanics to enable them to obtain work from warehouses and workshops."[27]

"In 1903 a ladies sub-committee was enacted which focused on the apprenticeship of girls".[28] The Board considered education one of its main aims, to create an educated class and to keep skilled workers in long-term employment.

Jewish Board of Guardians apprenticeships [29]

Re: Lost family from russia somewhere #latvia #lithuania #russia


A site called TheGenealogist has British census records for 1991 and 1911. You can sign up for free to search those records. I hope this helps.

Brick wall with Abraham Siduche #russia #ukraine


My grandfather, Harry Sader, came from Justingrad/Sokolievka to NYC with his mother, Dora. Their Ellis Island names were Herschel and Dworie Siduche. I know that Dworie was a member of the Wegodner family, for which I have quite a bit of information. Harry’s father was Abraham/Abram Siduche (later Sader) and I have no information about his family. He came to NYC before his wife and child arrived, he outlived Dora, remarried, and died in Buffalo in 1925. His three married daughters lived in Buffalo, as did his other son, Louis Sader. If anyone knows anything about Abraham, please let me know. Thanks!

Re: Lost family from russia somewhere #latvia #lithuania #russia



Y DNA testing is perfect for a paternal parent search.  This would enable you to match male line Rosenbergs precisely.   

You should also consider autosomal testing for yourself and anyone else in your Rosenberg line.    The objective would be to match with a broader range of other relatives: some will know where their families left.  This should start to focus your search.

You can also hope that one of your matches is a good researcher with a reliable tree.

Good hunting!
Paul Hattori
London UK

MINDEL, MINDELL from Utena and Vyzuonos, Lithuania
FELLER from Pabrade, Lithuania

Re: Lost family from russia somewhere #latvia #lithuania #russia

Jill Whitehead

You could use the Findmy Past website to look up the 1901 or 1911 UK Censuses. Sometimes the original image reveals the town of origin of householders born overseas.

But Rosenberg is a very common name, and they may not have been known by that name either in the old country  or in the new country. A descendant of a relative of mine known as Goldblatt in the UK, but Marks in the USA after they emigrated a second time, could not find her family in the UK records as she was looking for Marks, and until I tracked her down, she did not know the family name was Goldblatt in the UK. 

Also do not forget that boundaries changed many times in the past. Some parts of present day Belarus used to be in Lithuania, so you need to widen your search.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: Discovered my grandmother owned land before the war, what now? #austria-czech #holocaust

Peninah Zilberman

Interesting story, but it was in Germany, the thoughts and reactions are very different between the countries...Germany lets face it has somewhat a constant guilt  where all the rest of the eastern block countries....were very pleased to see us Jews out of their countries and they obtain all they could that belonged to us...therefore they created laws which prevent us from reclaiming
Good Luck

Fundatia Tarbut Sighet
+40 74 414 5351

Re: Discovered my grandmother owned land before the war, what now? #austria-czech #holocaust

Theo Rafael

Oh, forgot to add, first order of business should be to check at the property/land registration office what happened with that property right after your grandma's ownership, maybe she just sold it and that would be the end of your quest. If you're lucky this could be even done online or over the phone (or snail mail).
Good luck!

Theo R.

Re: Visas issued overseas (Riga, Latvia) in 1926 #latvia



So it sounds like my best bet would be to write to the National Archives at College Park and request a search.  Those files don't appear to be online.  And I wasn't able to find the House of Registers for Riga on FamilySearch.

Thanks,   Ellen. lnmp@...

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 12:25 PM, Renée K. Carl wrote:
Hi Ellen
The records of the US Consulate for Riga are a robust set of records, though for reasons lost to time, more is available if your surname is at the beginning or end of the alphabet. The consular records are different than the documents for the Visa File that you sought from USCIS and that Marian responded to. I presented on the consular records to the Latvia Research Group at IAJGS in Cleveland. These records are at the National Archives, College Park.
National Archives, U.S. Consulate, Riga (organization description):
National Archives U.S. Consulate, Riga (records):

There is also the collection of House Registers for Riga, these are in browse mode at Family Search - Marion Wehle or Arlene Beare might be able to provide the link or additional information. Even if people staying in a house for a night or two, their names appear on these lists.

Re: Discovered my grandmother owned land before the war, what now? #austria-czech #holocaust

Theo Rafael

Hi Moses,

There are variable laws depending on specific countries and there are no hard and fast rules.

Our family owned property in Transylvania (Romania) which was first confiscated by the fascists, then returned at the end of WW2 only to be retaken by the communists over the next few years. 
After 1989 there were a series of laws  in Romania that allowed for restitution of property or compensation depending on specific rules. It was a very long battle with laws changing every few years, old laws being changed or replaced by new ones but we were able to get back some property over the years.. My father was lucky to get help from successive local friends (paid on an annual basis and contingency fees), and there were multiple lawsuits filed, lawyers hired, various committees attended and evaluations made over these decades.
Two lawsuits are still ongoing; those were filed in the past 2-5 years after authorities didn't move forward as required by law on SOME of the properties. 
You have to investigate what such laws are in effect in your specific country and whether you can still file under such laws or maybe you can just file a lawsuit. In Romania most of these laws are already past their expiration date, not sure if and what could be done if you were to start now in Romania.
So to sum it up, a lot depends on specific laws in specific countries, in our case there were mixed results over the last 3 decades and the process has still not been finalized.

Theo Rafael     nloftis@...

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