Louis (Ludwig) LILIENTHAL in Minden #germany #holocaust

Mike Redel

Mike Redel <redel.mike@...>

Dear gersigs,

I hope that one of you could help me.

Louis (Ludwig) Lilienthal was born in Minden 1882 May 9. In the November, 1938
Reichskristallnacht he was not arrested because he was ill. At this 
time he lived in Unna, Westfalia.. From 10 November till 15. December
1938 he was parrished in Buchenwald. 1940 Louis Lilienthal lived in
Erfurt Schmidtstedter Str. 57 58 and lost his german Citizenship.

I would like to know where he is. I did not found him in the german Gedenkbuch.[Memorial Book].

Regards Mike Redel, Unna Germany

2020 US Census - further thoughts #general

jeremy frankel

I would like to thank Stephen Weinstein et al for their responses to my original posting about the genealogical value of the 2020 US Census.

As Stephen succinctly notes, the information contained in any record gathering process that may be of genealogical value is but an "accidental benefit." Admittedly each record is but a snapshot in time, however, when one puts together census records, ship manifests, voter records, city directories, etc, it all becomes a moving image of our families' progression through time and place.

That said, and with the plethora of documents available to us that were created 50–100 years ago, if we were to peer into the gloom of the future, what kind of "records" will be available to the genealogist of the future, who is trying to create a picture of their family in 2020? Where are the city directories? Where are the manifests? Where are the phone books? And as we have now seen, the census is not much more helpful other other than just stating who was living when and where and how people in a household were related to one another. Better than nothing, I suppose.

How will people do genealogy in 2120, or as some have opined, the whole genealogical enterprise will be a thing of the past!

Jeremy G Frankel
ex-Edgware, Middlesex, England
now Sacramento, California, USA

Re: 2020 US Census, post census thoughts #general

Lin Mor

Glad people pointed out that the information from previous censuses do contain genealogical data in various amounts, an unintentional but welcome side effect for genealogists. Also, the main purpose was to determine representation in the House of Representatives  A couple of thoughts:

1. The census form did ask from where your family came from. I noted Eastern Europe for myself and Western and Southern Europe for my husband. That information, gathered from all people in our country, will show the where present residents immigrated from. This is not specific genealogical information, of course, but it will be useful in other fields. 

2. In the United States the record is permanent. My cousin in Canada, daughter of Holocaust survivors, had an option on their last census, 2011, to "be forgotten" or some similar wording. Not sure what that means in terms of storing the information gathered. I believe she was concerned that the information identified her and her family as Jewish and past experiences made it important that such a distinction not be on the record. 

Re: Surname Adoption derived from Mother #names

Yonatan Ben-Ari

Several months (or years ago) there was an article in the israeli newspaper "makor rishon" regarding  a book written by a doctoral candidate at bar ilan university regarding people who took maternal family names. Very interesting and enlightning.
Yoni ben ari

Jarden Bookstore Krakow #poland

Fay Bussgang

The Jarden Bookstore in Krakow, treasured by many of you on travels to Poland, has been hard hit by the Corona virus and is threatened with closure. Erica Lehrer, professor at Concordia University in Montreal and an expert on Polish-Jewish folk art and other Polish-Jewish topics, is running a campaign to help save the bookstore.  All contributions to help would be greatly appreciated. Her letter is below. 

Fay Bussgang
Dedham, MA

Hello Friends!
I hope this email finds you well in these terrible times.
I have never organized a fundraiser before. But the Jarden Jewish Bookshop, a tiny, big-hearted bookshop in Kraków, Poland run by non-Jews Zdzisław and Lucyna Leś, has meant so very much to me in both personal and professional terms, for almost 30 years. I could not sit by and let COVID-19 take them without a fight. 
Please read my call and watch the videos on the Go Fund Me page I set up, help if you can, and pass the link along to others who care about cultural pluralism, books, neighborhood institutions, intercultural dialogue, engaging with difficult histories, and - not least - Poland's profound, embattled Jewish heritage.
With my sincere thanks,


Erica Lehrer -- Concordia University 
Professor, History and Sociology-Anthropology
Director, Curating and Public Scholarship Lab (CaPSL)


Traveling Through the Heartland of Galicia: A Galitzianer's Journey #events #galicia

Steven Turner

Welcome to the first of our series of webinar video presentations. We trust that you will enjoy them and find them worthwhile―especially during these days of pandemic isolation.

Since we are an international organization with members all over the world it was not possible to make this a live interactive webinar. Therefore, the presentation was recorded for you to view at your convenience but we would like very much to interact with those who view it.

Please make sure you are logged into Gesher Galicia before clicking the link.

You must be a member of Gesher Galicia in good standing to view this webinar on our Members Portal. If you have not yet paid your 2020 dues now may be a good time to do so to be able to view these presentations.

The first presentation is by our President, Dr. Steven S. Turner and is entitled, “Traveling Through the Heart of Galicia: A Galitzianer’s Journey.”

Please email Dr. Turner at ssturner@... with any questions or comments. We also welcome any suggestions that you may have on how to improve these webinars.

Dr. Turner traveled in the summer of 2018 prior to and after the IAJGS conference in Warsaw. He is the founder of the Nadworna Shtetl Research Group and under the guidance of Alex Denisenko he organized a trip from Warsaw with a group of descendants through Eastern Galicia to Nadwórna (today Nadvirna, Ukraine). Prior to the convention he traveled with his wife through Western Galicia.

Some of the stops on the journey were in:

Kraków, Shendishov (now Sędziszów Małopolski, Poland), Lublin, Majdanek, Bełżec, Zamość, Zhovka, Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk (formerly Stanisławów)―A Shabbat with Rabbi Moyshe Kolesnik, Nadwórna, Rohatyn

In the next few days we will also upload presentations from Dr. Andrew Zalewski on:
University Records: Jewish Medical Students
Cadastral Surveys: Names, Houses and Land Records
We hope that you will enjoy this new series that is just another benefit of your Gesher Galicia membership.


Dr. Steven S. Turner
President, Gesher Galicia

Re: Looking for information on 2 branches of my family #names

Jill Whitehead

As ever, please look at JRI Poland for Lomza records online or old copies of Landsmen, the journal of the Suwalki Lomza Interest Group (now defunct) if your library holds these. It is also quite likely your family would have anglicised their name in the UK, so it could have become e.g. Morris, for example, or the family could have used the family patronymic e.g. Max or Marks was often used for names like Morris, as well as Morris itself. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: 2020 US Census, post census thoughts #general

Stephen Weinstein

The purpose of the census was never to gather information to be used by future genealogists.  That was just an accidental benefit.

The original purpose of the census was to determine the free population of each state, excluding slaves and Native American Indians, and the slave population, in order to calculate the sum of "the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons" for purposes of apportioning seats in the House of Representatives and a hypothetical direct tax that the states would have paid to the federal government.

The purpose of the census has always been to gather statistical information, not to gather personally identifiable information.  Originally, they recorded the name of only the head of the household (usually the husband) and the number of slaves, children, wives, etc., but not their names.

The information useful to genealogists was added for a variety of reasons, but genealogy was never one of them.  The lack of questions that would be useful for purposes other than those for which the census is conducted in no way relates to whether the census is meaningless or still fulfills the government's purpose in conducting it -- even if not the unintended purposes for which genealogists use it.

Re: Surname Adoption derived from Mother #names

Doug Cohen

In some places, esp. the Austro-Hungarian empire, families were limited in how many sons the governent allowed to marry.   Other children were married by a rabbi "according to the laws of Moses and Jewish traditions." Thus, as far as the government was concerned, the marriage wasn't lawful.  And children were considered illegitimate and took the mother's surname.  the Jews didn't care what the government thought; they knew their children had been under the chupa -- and they never wanted surnames anyway!

Don't know if that's what happened in your family or not, but it's a plausible reason.

Doug Cohen, Sarasota, FL & Lexington, MA

Re: Surname Adoption derived from Mother #names

Laurie Sosna

I've got one in my family.
Levi MELLER married Paye Ettl LEVIN (1870?). He took her last name.
Story goes that Paye had no brothers, Levi became the "only son" and head of the family, avoids conscription.

I can't find any records of them (not sure where they were born, where they married, last names are not distinctive enough).
They ended up in Yekaterinoslav (Dnipro) maybe, some indication that they may have been from Lithuania.
A bit of a mess, genealogically speaking.
Their grandson Lewis used Meller as his middle name on his naturalization papers.

Laurie Sosna
San Francisco, CA

Re: Surname Adoption derived from Mother #names

Michael Sharp

I have found this on my family tree where in Russian Poland families sometimes adopted a matronymic rather than a patronymic naming convention. This may have been done to avoid conscription into the Tsarist army under the Cantonist laws. Whether similar factors applied in late 17th century / early 18th century western and central Europe I do not know

Re: Rosenbusch #germany


I have several Rosenbusch in my tree.  They were born in Grünsfeld, Baden-Württemberg, Germany  

Re: 2020 US Census, post census thoughts #general

Bob Silverstein

I too was disappointed in the census because it asked so few questions.  Yes, the genealogical value is near zero although it will be more readable and, hopefully, have fewer spelling errors.  The value still is that it captures where people were living on a certain day.  The information that government has already was collected at different times.

I do not think future genealogists will be waiting on baited breath for the results of this census come 2092.

Moltovichi, Belarus #belarus

Arthur Sissman

Hi Jgenners,

In the 1813 Census in Belarus, the town of Moltovichi is mentioned.  I cannot find it on town finder in Belarus or anywhere. A google search takes me to Smolevichi belarus page. [ ] Smolevichi [now Smalyavichy, Minsk region; JGen town finder: ]..

I know that the all knowing members of this group will know the answer.  Thanks for your help in advance

Looking for Telishevsky, Telishevskii, Teleshevsky, Telshevsky, Teleshevskia, Tilishevesky - where ever they may be
Do you have any.  Please reply personally re the Tele.....s - hit the link below!. .

Arthur Sissman

Looking for information on 2 branches of my family #names

Beryl & Gabi Otvos

I am unable to find information on the family of my paternal grandmother, Sarah Leah Monesavitch/Morosavitch born in Lomza and married in a stille chupah in London June 28, 1888. Also searching for information on my maternal grandfather's family, Botstein. I have found a grave in the name of B L Botshtein in Chernigov, Ukraine born 1905, died1965 but no other information. Any ideas would be welcome.
Beryl Otvos
Bojna, Minosavitch/Morosavitch from Lomza. Botstein/Boshtein from Ukraine, Landesman from Brody, Russia/Poland

Re: Surname Adoption derived from Mother #names

Valentin Lupu

There are plenty of such surnames in Eastern Europe. Some few examples:  Bashevis (from Bat Shevah), Sirkin (Sarah), Haikin (Chaia, Chaike),  Rivlin (Rivah), Beilin (Beilah), etc.

Valentin Lupu

IGRA Free Webinar April 26 Historical Maps #events

Elena Bazes

The Israel Genealogy Research Association (IGRA) will be broadcasting a free webinar in English on Sunday. April 26th   7 pm Israel Time, 12 pm (EDT).  The topic of the webinar is “Location, Location, Location: How Genealogical Research Can Benefit from Historical Maps” by Ed Mitukiewicz..

Genealogy researchers frequently face the challenges of identifying ancestral towns—in particular those located in Central and Eastern Europe. This presentation demonstrates the use of readily available web-based resources—including digital repositories of historical maps, gazetteers and geographic information databases—that can help to overcome many such challenges.


Edward Mitukiewicz is a mathematician and computer scientist by education, researcher and technology consultant by profession, and amateur cartographer and genealogist by coincidence. Ed has a particular weakness for historical maps - rumor has it that Ed never met one he did not like. Ed worked as editor, translator and map consultant during the production of the 2015 “Raise the Roof” documentary film about reconstructing the roof and painted ceiling of an 18th century wooden synagogue of Gwoździec. At recent genealogy conferences in Poland, Israel and the United States Ed presented illustrative scenarios of using historical maps in genealogical research.


Registration is required as there are a limited number of “seats” available. Reminders will be sent out closer to the date of the webinar. To register go to the link below.


Elena Biegel Bazes

IGRA Publicity Chair 


Re: Discovered my grandmother owned land before the war, what now? #austria-czech #holocaust

Robert Fraser

My late uncle, who fled Austria to Britain in 1939 and
joined the British army, returned to Vienna in 1947 upon
being demobbed.. He went straight to his parents' flat.
There was a nazi couple living there who had moved in
directly after his parents had been expelled and deported to
Riga, where they died.

He suggested that they share this small flat for the time
being, but the man brought a court action against him. The
Austrian judge asked if, at the time of his parents' arrest,
was he in the flat? Of course not. So he had to move out and
that's how it stayed.

The flat is still there - I have visited it.

Robert Fraser
Perth, Western Australia

Robert W Fraser

Perth, Western Australia

Researcher 6342

Re: Discovered my grandmother owned land before the war, what now? #austria-czech #holocaust

dennis gries

I've been reading the various posts on this subject...
My grandparents were victims of the Holocaust.  My maternal aunt made it her work with a Dr.Kempner (a german atty with offices in Phila and perhaps elsewhere) to qualify for and benefit from the West German "restitution" process.  I rather remember her doing this in the 1950s onward.  My father was from an East German area, and I did get some funds about 10 years ago.   
The family before that (both sides) were in the Tarnow area of Poland.  I visited there about 5 years ago, but have no inclination to seek whatever might be possible.  People are probably living on the lands, and have made their lives.  I don't wish to disrupt this.  

List of emigrants from Rheinland 1814-1939 #germany

Andreas Schwab

The Landesarchiv NRW has online an excel file containing persons who emigrated from the Rhineland (Rheinland) between 1814 and 1939. The list contains name, profession, year of emigration, home town, destination and the shelf number and page to find more information from the archive.
Full link:
The link to the excel file is at the bottom of the page.

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