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Re: Louis (Ludwig) LILIENTHAL in Minden #germany #holocaust

Rodney Eisfelder
 

Mike,
In the Jewishgen Holocaust database, the "German Towns Project" collection includes two Ludwig Lilienthals. It sounds as if the information you gave is a mashup of these two people.
One of them was born in Minden (but in 1858) and died in Unna (in 1935).
The other was born in Fürth in 1899, spent time in Dachau after Kristallnacht and was deported in 1941 from Nürnberg (Nuremberg).
(see https://www.mappingthelives.org or https://www.bundesarchiv.de/gedenkbuch/directory.html.de?id=916079 )

It might be worthwhile double-checking the sources. Do you have the birth record from Minden? Does it show that adopted the middle name "Israel" in 1939?

I hope this helps
Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia


#translation Yiddish #translation

Nurit Har-zvi
 

Hello,

I have re-posted the Yiddish portion of a letter in which my
grandparents were trying to get information from my grandmother's
sisters on how to immigrate to the US or Canada. Someone had already
translated the Polish portion of the letter. I would very much
appreciate a translation of the Yiddish.

The letter is 2 1/2 pages (each page is a separate ViewMate document)
on ViewMate. Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate
image page.

Thank you & Be well,
Nurit Har-zvi
Forest Hills, NY

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM79436

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM79437

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM79438


Re: 2020 US Census, post census thoughts #general

Mark Jacobson
 

Your statement about the amount of information in the 2020 US census is not accurate. It is less than any of the publicly available census records since 1850 but that only spans to 1940. The US census from 1960 to 2000 were very short forms, most with less than 10 questions, for the majority of the population and a small percentage sampling of the population received longer forms with specifically targeted questions. Whether these longer forms even survive is unknown. For example, in 1960, the first year the census was mailed to the population, 25% received a long form with more than 20 questions focused on housing and employment. For the rest of the population, 75% of the US, "The census "short form" collected only five questions: relationship to head of household, age, sex, race, and marital status."
I think that we will not find any US census after 1950 of any real genealogical value in the future (unless the long form survives and our family happened to be included and answer the questions).

Mark Jacobson
Past President, JGSPBCI
Gesher Galicia Board member
JRI-Poland Town Leader Boryslaw and Drohobycz
Boca Raton, FL

DOGULOV/DOVGALEVSKY - Tripolye/Vasilkov/Kiev Ukraine;
COHEN/KANA/KAHAN - Tripolye, Ukraine;
JACOBSON - Polotsk/Lepel, Belarus; KOBLENTZ - Polotsk, Belarus;
KAMERMAN/KAMMERMANN, WEGNER - Drohobycz, Galicia;
KOPPEL - Stebnik/Drohobycz, Galicia;
JACOBI - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia; ROTHLEIN - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia;
TUCHFELD - Rzeszow/Stryj/Lvov, Galicia; GOLDSTEIN - Ranizow, Galicia


On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 02:48:31 PM EDT, jeremy frankel <jfrankel@...> wrote:


The coronavirus pandemic has pushed the 2020 US Census off the front-page news. Obviously people have more important things on their mind. Looking at the California figures, some 47% of households have already responded online, making it the #1 state for online response. Admittedly I didn't fill it out on 1st April (but did it the next day) and got a confirmation number. Hence it was very interesting to receive in the mail (alas unstamped, undated) last week a pristine paper copy. This will augment my digital blank and filled-out copy.

As many of us have now seen, a census it may be, but it has about the least amount of genealogical information since, well, 1850. Why is that? Here's my take; as has already been reported in the BBC News about next year's UK 2021 Census, so many government agencies already have the goods on us; asking us to repeat what they know would be a waste of time. However, to amend the Constitution would be a massive undertaking and there would probably be a huge 'push-back' from the citizens of America. Hence, it's far better, every decade to have a meaningless census than amend the Constitution.

Thoughts?

Jeremy Frankel
formerly: Edgware, Middlesex, England
now: Sacramento, California, USA


Viewmate Translation Request - #russia

Greg Tuckman
 

Hello group,
I've posted 5 vital records in Russian for which I need a translation. They are on ViewMate at the following addresses ...

1.  Birth record of Abraham Jakob ZYLBERWAJS: https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM79405&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C69aaf972c6354f01f2a508d7e4a65c6e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637229275471078469&amp;sdata=UTVz52WLGwfQ3NW%2FlBt1Wdsy1vF8Wxj0fiyMPN03NEg%3D&amp;reserved=0

2.  Birth Record of Estera ZYLBERWAJS:  https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM79406&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbe94e2b136a04bb15b1508d7e4a66065%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637229275533334576&amp;sdata=6gJQ5cEXI7n%2FcSyV7NJcX0O9mxvwaBennfhr0C3wWbw%3D&amp;reserved=0

3.  Death Record of Chaim TAUBENFEDER:  https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM79407&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C16ece18ba520481d801908d7e4a6648e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637229275602693601&amp;sdata=Drqy%2BHFoFbGkaHgIsoVj6FhVAiyrcNSQnrQk%2FCgbvgo%3D&amp;reserved=0

4.  Birth Record of Ester Brucha MANTEL:  https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM79408&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf880f38277f54a7d118308d7e4a674ae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637229275873567280&amp;sdata=PK9OXGKRSaHLzTteQeHJSW2dDzYlxseIBCq1YsPpfV8%3D&amp;reserved=0

5.  Death Record of Estera GOLDMAN nee FEDERMAN:  https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM79409&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C2c7a3706b5444c4f416b08d7e4a6782a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637229275932698486&amp;sdata=cC5lNgxLaA53iWRe2RzPJbdoO0iWUVu3UxMlYEB4foI%3D&amp;reserved=0

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.    Thank you very much.

Greg Tuckman,  Phoenix, AZ


Arolsen Archives Has 26 Million Documents Online About Victims of Nazi Persecution #holocaust

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

 

In a press release shared April 14, the Arolsen Archives announced they have 26 million documents with information on 21 million names of victims about victims of Nazi persecution online. It was last November when it was reported on this forum that they  had added 10 million names from 850,000 records. The press release states, “ The Arolsen Archives have recently expanded the collections on the internet to include documents on forced laborers and on deportations to concentration camps. This means that the majority of the documents in the world’s most comprehensive archive on Nazi persecution are now accessible online.”

 

This achievement occurred in less than one year between the Arolsen Archives and their partner, the World Holocaust Remembrance Center Yad Vashem, Israel. The new online archive was launched in May 2019 with 13 million documents.

 

There are two collections that went online:

Card index of forced laborers – original documents and copies of documents about millions of forced laborers that make it possible to trace the fates of individuals: registration cards, questionnaires, correspondence

Deportations – of Jews, Roma and Sinti from the former German empire, Austria, Bohemia, and Moravia: transport and deportation lists with information about millions of people deported to concentration camps and ghettoes.


Spelling may be different on different documents, therefore some people may be counted more than once.


To read the press release see:

https://arolsen-archives.org/en/news/26-millionen-dokumente-ueber-ns-verfolgte-online/

This is in English. It is also available in German if you click on the EN in the upper right hand corner you can chose German.


To access the online archive go to:  https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/  You will have to agree to their terms and conditions to access the records.  You will then be directed to the search area.

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 


Re: 2020 US Census, post census thoughts #general

Sarah L Meyer
 

I agree that the genealogical value of the census, was not the purpose.  The purpose is and was to determine the population size so as to properly distribute the number of representatives to the US House of Representatives.   The census has many other uses, that we can't see because we only work with old ones.  It is the statistical information that is used now.  However, since we DO use it, and it will have some value for future generations - if only to locate us 72 years from now, it would be helpful to have additional questions asked.  My daughter said that she has done the communities survey in the past.  I have never done one. I wish that it had at least asked occupation - that would be useful today as well.  It is possible that some people simply have not had the time to respond, if they work at an essential job.  That is why occupation would be helpful.

Sarah L Meyer,  Georgetown TX   <sarahlmeyer@...>    https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Viewmate Translation Request: German #poland #translation

Dave Lichtenstein
 

I've posted a vital record in German for which I need an interpretation and partial translation.
  I would like to know where I find the actual date of birth on this document and what it is.
If two different dates are shown is one of them the registration of the birth document and when it occurred.  Likewise where do I find the registration date and where is it.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM79433
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.

Dave Lichtenstein
Sydney, Australia

Researching LICHTENSTEIN, FINKELSTEIN in East Prussia


Viewmate Translation Request: German and Hungarian #germany #hungary #translation

jzeisler@...
 

I've posted a handwritten agreement from 1895 Budapest consisting of 2 pages that is in both German and Hungarian for which I need a translation or a summary. If you can only translate one language that would be helpful. It is on ViewMate at the following addresses ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM79395 
and 

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM79396
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page. Thank you very much.
Jerry


The Jews of Czestochowa, Poland Yizkor Book Translation available at reduced price #yizkorbooks

Joel Alpert
 

Yizkor Books in Print is happy to make this book available at severely
reduced price by ordering through JewishGen

List Price: $72.95, available from JewishGen for $40

For more information and directions for ordering go to:
https://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/ybip/YBIP_Czestochowa2.html
Go toward the bottom of the page below "Available at:" for the link to
start your order.

Joel Alpert, Coordinator of the Yizkor Books in Print Project


Smorgon, Belarus Yizkor Book Translation available at reduced price #belarus #yizkorbooks

Joel Alpert
 

Yizkor Books in Print is happy to make this book available at s
severely reduced price by ordering through JewishGen

List Price: $71.95, available from JewishGen for $39

For more information and directions for ordering go to:
https://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/ybip/YBIP_Smorgon.html
Go toward the bottom of the page below "Available at:" for the link to
start your order.

Joel Alpert, Coordinator of the Yizkor Books in Print Project


Wyszków, Poland Yizkor Book Translation available at reduced price #poland #yizkorbooks

Joel Alpert
 

Yizkor Books in Print is happy to make this book available at s
severely reduced price by ordering through JewishGen

List Price: $71.95, available from JewishGen for $39

For more information and directions for ordering go to:
https://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/ybip/YBIP_Wyszkow.html
Go toward the bottom of the page below "Available at:" for the link to
start your order.

Joel Alpert, Coordinator of the Yizkor Books in Print Project


Re: List of emigrants from Rheinland 1814-1939 #germany

jonathan.rose@...
 

I looked through this & was puzzled as have ancestors who lived in NRW & emigrated to the US, UK & elsewhere that were not listed. The largest number were named Eisendrath & many went to Chicago. One married the sister of Julius Rosenwald. I saw one person with Eisendrath as a maiden name. Maybe I misunderstood what the list contained. I would be grateful for any information about this. thank you. 

Jonathan Rose   <jonathan.rose@...>


Zeilingold family (also Zeilengold/Cailingold/Cajlingold/Tseylingold/Tzeylingold, etc.) #rabbinic #ukraine #names #belarus

goldtenor@...
 

I have been researching my great grandfather's family for a few years now and have not been able to piece together any information from before his arrival in the United States.  His name was Solomon Zeilingold, Shlomo ben Aharon (sometimes went by Samuel).  When the family arrived in New York, they changed their name to Gold and settled in Schenectady, NY.  He died in August 1916 and is buried in the Agudat Achim Cemetery in Rotterdam, NY.  He was said to have been a rabbi but his profession was as a soapmaker.

I know no names of any siblings or his mother's name.  His wife was Nachoma Chotz from Brest-Litovsk.  Solomon's headstone states that he is the great grandson (or great great grandson) of a great Karliner rabbinical scholar.  Additionally, a family tree that was made probably 30 years ago or so states that the one of Solomon's sons states that the family descends from the TaZ.

I have taken to contacting anyone with the same or similar surnames or anyone who has the same or similar surname in their online family trees.  For anyone with the surname, they have all stated the same thing: that their family descends from the TaZ and that the families are all somehow connected.  Over the years I have collected a lot of people into the tree without being able to make any positive connections.  Additionally, DNA matching on ancestry, 23andme, My Heritage, familytreeDNA, and GEDMatch have yet to turn up one concrete match that allows for a positive connection between trees.  In other words, I have not been able to tie any of these families together with any positive identification.

I also have not been able to discern who the person is that my great grandfather is related to from his headstone and not been able to track my family backward to connect with any existing trees for the TaZ.  Our surname is said to come directly from that relationship, as it has been the same for several other families to whom I have reached out. I know that there are answers out there, but I am seemingly at a brick wall.

If anyone has any information at all about the Zeilingold family of Pinsk or any other Zeilingold family or derivations of spellings, please contact me.  I am happy to receive any information at all.  You never know when one piece of information is going to put a lot of other pieces that I have collected together.

I would welcome anyone to contact me at goldtenor@....  Thank you in advance for your help.

Regards,

Phil Gold
Great grandson of Solomon Zeilingold (1858-1916) from Pinsk (Shlomo ben Aharon)


Re: Searching GRUNFELD (GREENFELD) family from Maramaros county. #hungary #rabbinic #romania

Valentin Lupu
 

Shalom Yehuda,
Heimlich Tzvi Iser from Haifa submitted in 1957 testimonies to Yad vaShem about his cousin Naftali (Nandor) Heimlich, his wife Golda and many other relatives.
Naftali's data (except his birth year which is approximate) is identical to JewishGen birth cerificate. Tzvi declared that Golda was born in Sziget (Marmorossziget) into Glik family.
Are you aware of Elly Gross and Eta Moskovitz - Selka's list of Szilagy-Somlyo people during 1940-1944 and their fate? Some Heimlich people, including Naftali, his wife and probably two married children appear in this list. The list is kept at USHMM. If you are interested in the relevant pages, let me know.
Eta Selka za"l was the mother of a friend of mine.

Valentin Lupu
ISRAEL


Re: 2020 US Census, post census thoughts #general

JoAnne Goldberg
 

For me, it's been instructive to see occupations and education on old US
censuses -- data missing from all recent censuses. Most useful for me
has been the 1900 question that asked women how many children they had
had, and how many were still living

That said, I doubt future genealogists will have any trouble
reconstructing our lives. Given the amount of data collected on most of
us, supplemented by Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc, our descendants
will have a record of what we did pretty much every day!
--
JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535
BLOCH, SEGAL, FRIDMAN, KAMINSKY, PLOTNIK/KIN -- LIthuania
GOLDSCHMIDT, HAMMERSCHLAG,HEILBRUNN, REIS(S), EDELMUTH, ROTHSCHILD, SPEI(Y)ER -- Hesse, Germany
COHEN, KAMP, HARFF, FLECK, FRÖHLICH, HAUSMANN,  DANIEL  -- Rhineland, Germany

 


Re: 2020 US Census, post census thoughts #general

Joel Weintraub
 
Edited

The 1940 US census introduced sampling on the census schedule and subsequent censuses expanded the number of questions that only asked a small number of people. As people can see, the 2020 federal census asks only a few questions of everyone. Instead every year the census bureau sends out their “American Community Survey” with multiple socioeconomic questions to a small percentage of the population on a rotating basis. It would be interesting to know if those surveys are being saved

Joel Weintraub ,   Dana Point California


Louis (Ludwig) LILIENTHAL in Minden #germany #holocaust

Mike Redel
 

Mike Redel <redel.mike@...>

Dear gersigs,

I hope that one of you could help me.

Louis (Ludwig) Lilienthal was born in Minden 1882 May 9. In the November, 1938
Reichskristallnacht he was not arrested because he was ill. At this 
time he lived in Unna, Westfalia.. From 10 November till 15. December
1938 he was parrished in Buchenwald. 1940 Louis Lilienthal lived in
Erfurt Schmidtstedter Str. 57 58 and lost his german Citizenship.

I would like to know where he is. I did not found him in the german Gedenkbuch.[Memorial Book].

Regards Mike Redel, Unna Germany
<redel.mike@...>


2020 US Census - further thoughts #general

jeremy frankel
 

I would like to thank Stephen Weinstein et al for their responses to my original posting about the genealogical value of the 2020 US Census.

As Stephen succinctly notes, the information contained in any record gathering process that may be of genealogical value is but an "accidental benefit." Admittedly each record is but a snapshot in time, however, when one puts together census records, ship manifests, voter records, city directories, etc, it all becomes a moving image of our families' progression through time and place.

That said, and with the plethora of documents available to us that were created 50–100 years ago, if we were to peer into the gloom of the future, what kind of "records" will be available to the genealogist of the future, who is trying to create a picture of their family in 2020? Where are the city directories? Where are the manifests? Where are the phone books? And as we have now seen, the census is not much more helpful other other than just stating who was living when and where and how people in a household were related to one another. Better than nothing, I suppose.

How will people do genealogy in 2120, or as some have opined, the whole genealogical enterprise will be a thing of the past!

Jeremy G Frankel
ex-Edgware, Middlesex, England
now Sacramento, California, USA


Re: 2020 US Census, post census thoughts #general

Lin Mor
 

Glad people pointed out that the information from previous censuses do contain genealogical data in various amounts, an unintentional but welcome side effect for genealogists. Also, the main purpose was to determine representation in the House of Representatives  A couple of thoughts:

1. The census form did ask from where your family came from. I noted Eastern Europe for myself and Western and Southern Europe for my husband. That information, gathered from all people in our country, will show the where present residents immigrated from. This is not specific genealogical information, of course, but it will be useful in other fields. 

2. In the United States the record is permanent. My cousin in Canada, daughter of Holocaust survivors, had an option on their last census, 2011, to "be forgotten" or some similar wording. Not sure what that means in terms of storing the information gathered. I believe she was concerned that the information identified her and her family as Jewish and past experiences made it important that such a distinction not be on the record. 


Re: Surname Adoption derived from Mother #names

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Several months (or years ago) there was an article in the israeli newspaper "makor rishon" regarding  a book written by a doctoral candidate at bar ilan university regarding people who took maternal family names. Very interesting and enlightning.
 
Yoni ben ari
Jerusalem