Re: Family Tree Chart Especially for Cousins etc. #general

Bernard Flam

Hello Joanne from lockdown in Paris,
Concerning names spelling, always remember that our ancestors left Yiddishland countries to other places : there, their name was phonetically transposed from Russian, Polish or Yiddish pronunciation to French, English, Italian or Spanish.
So branches of our familes got different spelling from same original names.
Your initial question was very interesting and you / we get a lot of amazing trees.
May I attach one mor from a DNA genealogy website.
Take care, abi gezunt
Bernard Flam
Archives & history of Medem Center - Arbeter Ring (Workmen Circle) of France

Re: Is Bischofsburg Ostpreußen in the Town Finder the same place as "Bischofsburg Koenigsberg" #germany #poland

Jill Whitehead

Boundaries were very fluid in the past, due to wars, conquest etc. The area that was East Prussia around Olstyn/Allenstein went into Poland in 1945. When I visited my ancestral area in NE Poland in 2000 (Suwalki Lomza), with my husband and brother,  we had a look at some of the Prussian areas that went into Poland in 1945 in the vicinity of  Elk (formerly Lyck) and Gizycko, and the scenery and style of buildings were completely different to the Polish areas over the former border, even now. And the same is true for roads and rail - they still stop and go  N-S rather than E-W direction, due to now long-gone old borders.

However, the exception to this is Konigsberg itself. This became the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad. Konigsberg/Kaliningrad was the centre for the football world cup when it was held in Russia a few years ago. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey  UK

Re: Is Bischofsburg Ostpreußen in the Town Finder the same place as "Bischofsburg Koenigsberg" #germany #poland

Rodney Eisfelder

I looked up Julius Gerson at
and it shows that he was born at Bischofsburg in 1899, but was living at Koenigsberg in 1939.
So "Bischofsburg-Koenigsberg" is two places, not one.
Bischofsburg, now known as Biskupiec was the town where my great-grandfather's siblings were all born. It was in Kreis Roessel (Rößel) but is now in Powiat Olsztynski (Allenstein)

By the way, mappingthelives shows that Erna Czerninski née Gerson as well as Jacob and Manfred Czerninski and Käte Bohm lived at the same address as Julius in 1939. Erna was born at Nikolaiken in 1895.

I hope this helps,
Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia

Re: Avrum Geller #announcements #jgs-iajgs

Glenda Rubin

Very sad news. 
Avrum and I corresponded some 25 years ago about a possible Lenitz (aka Ilintsy) connection. 
My condolences to his family and the Jewish genealogy community.
Glenda Rubin. San Francisco Bay Area

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 7:19 AM Linda Cantor <lincanfamily@...> wrote:

It is with great sadness that I share with you the death of Avrum Geller after a long battle with cancer.  Avrum, a member of JGS (NY), was a professional genealogist, a volunteer in the Jewish community of New York, had been a member of JGS’ Executive Council, and was a frequent speaker at JGS's as well as at IAJGS conferences.  Most importantly he was a husband, son, father and grandfather to a loving family.

He was always willing to help others and had an amazing knowledge of genealogy and genealogical research, especially in New York City.  Avrum, we will all miss you.

Linda Cantor. for JGS,  NY

Seeking the SILBER family in London #unitedkingdom

Neil Rosenstein

Trying to make contact with the Silver (originally Zilber) family who
settled in London. Abraham Silber (1940-2020) was married to Rikel
Breuer was the son of R. Dr. Mordechai Zvi Silber, born in Radzinow in
1909, PhD (Vienna), ABD Novy Sad/Ujridek until WWII and Mordechai was
son of Yaakov Zilber of Dzikov, descendants of the Horowitz family
from Piotrkow.

Neil Rosenstein <neilrosenstein@...> 
Signature: Please “sign” your posts and replies by including your full name at the end of your email.

Re: How can I find NYC naturalization papers with only the record number? #general

A. E. Jordan

Here's a sort of primer on naturalization records for New York City.
Naturalizations in the New York City area happened either in the Federal or State courts up until the 1920s.  The Federal courts were the Eastern District which is in Brooklyn and the Southern district which is in Manhattan.  There's also a Northern district north of the City.
The State courts are named the Supreme Court and there was a location in each of the boroughs.
Here's where it gets challenging.  There was no residency requirement meaning you could live in Brooklyn but work in Manhattan and so you decided it was easier to go to the Manhattan court to file your papers or any combination of courts.  Also there was no rule that I am aware of the governed going to the State vs. Federal court.
And to make it even more challenging in some rare instances the person started the process in one court and then moved and decided it as easier to finish the process in another court closed to where they now lived.  To use a 21st century term, the naturalization was portable.  As a matter of fact I was jut helping someone last week who had the declaration number for their ancestor and when we pulled up the online record attached to the declaration is a letter saying a duplicate had been made and when you look at the two you see he was in Manhattan when he started the process but was in Brooklyn when he was requesting the copy which leads to he assumption he finished it in the Brooklyn courts.
Ancestry, FamilySearch, Fold3, the Italian and German gen pages all have indexing to parts of the naturalization process.  I personally like the Italian/German gen index but you have to search all of them sometimes.
The 1925 NY State Census asked people what court they have naturalized in so you often find little notes on the names but of course it is not always accurate.
Also on the later passenger lists you often find a notation with the date and a number that is a clue to when and where the person naturalized.  I had one several years ago and no one seemed capable of deciphering it including NARA.  Marion Smith ended up helping me and it turned out the man had done his naturalization in Westchester County.
FamilySearch had a lot more of the naturalization papers from NYC than what they have indexed.  The images are loaded but you have to manually search the files using the petition number.  An easy way to see what exists is go to the National Archives NYC website and click on their naturalization records.    It will bring up a table called "Our Holdings" and on the far right side is a link that generally jumps to the files on FamilySearch.  Thee good news --- although it is years away -- NARA is funding a project to digitize more of the local court records from the State courts.
Most of the local courts will do mail order copies (once of course the current public health crisis is lifted) if you can not find the record online at one of the databases mentioned above.  In Manhattan the original books are sitting on the shelves of the old court record room (7th floor in the same building as the Municipal Archives)  and they let you pull them out and take photos on your phone.  Hidden away on the 8th floor and the supervisor has to get it are the original ledger index books and he also has the originals of cases where people did a declaration but never came back to do a petition.  Those incomplete files are in separate books from the ones where the person completed the process. 
NARA also will do copies but normally when you go to NARA in NYC (they are closed due to the health crisis) they will first point you to the computer resources I am mentioning here.  NARA NYC has the original paper files for the records after the digital indexes so if it is post-World War II for example you need to get it from them on paper.  If you go in person they only pull records hourly a few times a day but the charge is only 25 cents a page but has to be paid by credit card .... they stopped handling cash years ago.
Allan Jordan

Russian translation #translation #russia

Laufer, Shmuel

I need a translation of my Russian grandfather's attached marriage certificate. 
Names, places and dates.
Thanks in advance.

Shmuel Laufer

Rehovot -Israel


Research: Laufer (Przasnysz, Poland); Domb (Pultusk, Poland); Bruckman (Sarnaki, Poland); Zelazo (Sarnaki, Poland); Preschel (Berhomet, Chernivets'ka, Ukraine), Leder (Berhomet, Chernivets'ka, Ukraine); Schnap (Berhomet, Chernivets'ka, Ukraine); Mitelman (Chelm, Poland); Tenerman (Dubienka, Poland)



Re: Photo in Pre-WW II Hungarian passport #hungary


I have my grandfather's original paper passport issued by the Kingdom of Hungary in 1911 in Nagykaroly that he used to travel to New York in 1912.  It does not include a photograph.  His village of Tirsolt (was Tartolcz, Hungary) is near the Romanian city of Satu Mare (formerly Szatmar, Hungary).

Bonita Springs, FL, USA
Researching IZSAK and MILLER

ViewMate translation request - French #translation #france

Fred Half

I've posted a death record in French of Ursula HALFF for which I need a translation. I am especially interested in the name of the mother. It is on ViewMate at the following address ... Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page. Thank you very much. 
Fred Half ,   Palo Alto, CA USA    fredhalf@...

ViewMate Russian Translation #Russia, #translation

L Goldstein

Translation of the birth of Jojna Goldsztern in 1899, possibly in Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Terespol, Pizszac or even Brisk/Brest.  I don't need word-for-word but details such as names, dates, locations, occupations, and so on are very helpful as I try to sort out the various family members.  Jojna may be a nephew of my late grandfather's.
Louise Goldstein mamabirdlouise@...

Researching GOLDSTEIN/GOLDSZTERN, BRANDT, WOLOCH, HERSZENFELD (Terespol, Piszczac, Poland; Brest, Belarus);

ViewMate Polish Translation #poland #translation

L Goldstein

I have posted a birth registration for Beijla Malke Rozenzumen, 1846, possibly in Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Terespol or Pizszac.  As I am trying to sort out who is who in a large extended family, wherein many names are repeated from generation to generation and across families, I find that details beyond the parents' names and dates are often invaluable.  So while I don't need a word-for-word translation, I am seeking all details of names, dates, locations, other relationships and so on.  Thank you so much!
Louise Goldstein

Researching ROZENZUMEN/BEN-DOV (Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Poland; Israel);

JGS of Georgia Meeting, Sunday May 3, The IGRA Database #events #israel #jgs-iajgs


Join the JGS of Georgia for a webinar with
Garri Regev on
Using the Israel Genealogy Research Association Database
Sunday, May 3, 2020
2:00 PM EDT

Preregistration will be required for this Zoom meeting, but it is free.
1) To pre-register, follow this link to enter your name and zipcode
Click here:
When you register, you will receive an email with the link to the actual meeting.
2) On the day of the meeting shortly before 2:00, you will need to click on the link that you received in the second email.
If you have any problems registering for the program, please don't hesitate to contact us at JewishGenealogy@...

Re: SCHILD in Unna # germany

Mike Redel


thank you very much. I am sitting in the archiv in Unna
Mike Redel

Am Mo., 27. Apr. 2020 um 18:59 Uhr schrieb fredelfruhman

My parents lived in Unna for a few years after their marriage in the 1930's.
As you live in Unna, I imagine that you have already tried this, but just in case not:
Have you contacted the city website: and sent a message to their Archives department?
Several years ago, I was in touch with an archivist there: Werner Fischer.
I wish you the best of luck.                             Fredel Fruhman      Brooklyn, New York, USA 

Emigration from Hungary to Germany, c. 1900 #hungary #germany #subcarpathia

Carole Bass

My great-grandparents, Bernard A(c)kerman and Paulina Frits, emigrated separately from then-Hungary to Germany around 1900 (I think — possibly earlier). They lived in Sodingen, Germany (now part of Herne) for just a few years before coming to the U.S. in 1903.

My question: are there Hungarian emigration records that might provide more information? My German genealogy contacts told me Germany does not have records of immigrants from that time period. (Of course, if there are German records you can point me to, please do!)

What I do have already: birth records for Bernard in Benk, Hungary, and Pauline in Gelnica (now Slovakia). Their marriage record in Sodingen, and my grandmother's birth record, also in Sodingen. The family's ship manifest upon arrival in Baltimore in 1903. Bernard's U.S. naturalization records, and numerous other U.S records — census, etc.

Many thanks for any help you can offer.

Carole Bass   <bass.carole@...>

How can I find NYC naturalization papers with only the record number? #general


Any federal court could conduct naturalizations; the process didn't require a "Supreme Court"

--Yale Zussman

ViewMate Do you recognize? #usa


My mystery ancestor. Studio portrait of a Jewish man. New York. Early 1900's. Card stock of the M. Smith Studio at 331 Grand Street on Lower East Side. Also stamp of the Jampel’s Art Studio, at 22 St. Marks Place. Most likely is an immigrant from Zhitomir or elsewhere in Volyn Province, Russia. Possibly related to the families of Glizerman (Glaser in the US), or Morgulyan / Margulyan (Margulin in the US).


If anyone has a photo taken in the M. Smith Studio, or in the Jampel’s Art Studio, I’d appreciate hearing from you. It may help to narrow the range of the years when my photo was taken.


Please respond any way that is most convenient to you.


Thank you everybody! Boris Feldblyum


Re: Application for Naturalization #general

David Oseas


Before searching any online database, you should always examine the detailed database description to see which records are included.

Unfortunately, although many online naturalization collections include a period into the 1950s in their title, in reality, they have very few records from that time period.

The German Roots site gives a good summary of what records are available in popular online databases:

Your relative was naturalized in the US District Court at Brooklyn, NY.  There is a separate page on the German Roots site for New York City: 

The only searchable website with actual records (not just indexes) from this court is Fold3, which only goes up to 1937.

However, the good news is that FamilySearch has digitized images of that court's records -- they aren't linked to the search engine, so I did some manual work to find them:  I went to the FS catalog ( ) and entered the keywords "Kings New York District naturalization" (without quotes), which led me to the "Final petition and citizenship papers (New York), 1865-1958" collection ( ).  From there, I examined the rolls for 1952 to see which one contained petition #488840, which is FHL 2409296 (DGS 7775943).

Your relative's record can be found, starting with her Certificate of Arrival, at image 1480 ( ).  The two following pages contain her petition for naturalization.

She arrived under the name Frida Schma on the SS California on June 9, 1907

BTW, the number in the upper right of the index card (6986864) is her citizenship certificate number (AKA "C-File number") and could have been used to request the record through USCIS.  In cases where the immigrant went through a lengthy process to naturalize, the C-File may contain correspondence of interest.

Regards,  David Oseas :

Re: Brick wall locating Anna Goldman #poland #unitedkingdom

Richard Goldman

I would like to help you find your relatives, but it is unclear from your note what information you want.  I assume you want to learn more about your grandfather's sister and by extension, your grandfather.  Did the tombstone give the Hebrew name of her father? Was she married when she arrived in America?

Dick GOLDMAN (not related)

Re: SCHILD in Unna # germany



My parents lived in Unna for a few years after their marriage in the 1930's.

As you live in Unna, I imagine that you have already tried this, but just in case not:

Have you contacted the city website: and sent a message to their Archives department?

Several years ago, I was in touch with an archivist there:  Werner Fischer.

I wish you the best of luck.

Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA

Re: Avrum Geller #announcements #jgs-iajgs

Bob Friedman

During the past few years Avrum and I became close both professionally and personally.  I concur with everything Linda expressed in her message.  Besides his work within the genealogy community, he was also involved with his local community in lower Manhattan, particularly as a volunteer after 9/11.  My heart goes out to his lovely family and all his other friends and colleagues.
Bob Friedman
Brooklyn, NY

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