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I am helping my daughter's friend piece together information about her non-biological grandmother who may be a Holocaust survivor but won't share anything about her past (and will not do a DNA test). I am trying to identify if her family was Jewish and perhaps took on non-Jewish identities or if they were not Jewish to begin with. I am aware that DNA would greatly assist in this effort, but there are additional complicating relationships.
The grandmother is likely the 12-year old girl on a 1951 "resettlement" manifest with "her family" from Bremen to NY. I found records that document that the family had been at the Ingolstadt displaced persons camp. There are two parents and 4 children. There is a 4-year old girl with the same given name as the 12-year old girl (all appear as one family).
There is some speculation that the family on the manifest does not include the girl's real parents (not sure about the siblings). It is thought that the family originally was from Lodz and I have found records of people with same surname who were sent to an extermination camp from the Lodz ghetto. (Based on the little information that the grandmother has shared, I am wondering if these may possibly be the real parents.)
Would anyone have any suggestions about additional sources of information to help identify (or confirm) who was part of her grandmother’s immediate family? I have check JewishGen (searching by surname), YadVashem, the Arolsen Archives, US Holocaust Museum, dpcamps.org, Ancestry and Family Search. I am not sharing the surname as the person is living.
I understand that without specifics, this makes it more difficult, but if anyone has anecdotal stories that may illustrate possibly options to consider, it would be helpful.
Thank you very much!
Sandy Crystal, New Hampshirerosapalustris@...>
Isaac MYERS/MOYERS b1829 Spittalfields, please can you help? #unitedkingdom
This is my first post on the group and I would just like to start by saying thank you for accepting my membership request and hello to all of the group members.
I am trying to trace my family tree and recently discovered I have Jewish ancestry. I am fairly new to this and wondered if I might be able to ask for some advice please as I am a little bit lost? I wondered if someone might be able to tell me where I might need to go to find information about a person's parentage pre 1837 in the Jewish community please? I also wondered if anyone might have any tips as to finding out which synagogue my family may have gone to in around 1820 please? They lived in Frying Pan Alley, Artillery, Christchurch, Spittalfields, London, Middlesex.
Thank you for taking the time to read my post.
Best wishes, Emma
For anyone that is interested in knowing more or who think they might share the same relatives, here is the information I have:
I am sure about my 3 x great grandfather Isaac Myers, a confectioner born 1858 in Wednesbury in the West Midlands. He married Louisa PALMER from Nottinghamshire in 1879 at Wednesbury. His father was Isaac Myers a confectioner and her father was George Palmer a confectioner. He died in 1949 in Montreal, Canada. I know that he was Jewish but I am not sure if his wife was and his children don't appear to be.
It is the parentage of his father that is a mystery, it also seems odd that Isaac called his son Isaac as I am told that people did not usually name a child after a living relative(?).
His father was Isaac MYERS (also sometimes written as MOYERS) who says he was born in Middlesex in the census returns, except for 1901 where he says he was born in Bethnal Green.
So my 4 x great grandfather Isaac Myers, a confectioner was born 1829 in Middlesex. I can't find his first marriage which must have been around 1847 or 1848 (it was not to Rebecca Costa in 1846 in Birmingham).
He married his 2nd wife Bestsy Julia Martin on the 16 Jul 1849 as a widow in West Bromwich. He was a confectioner. He says his father was Benjamin Myers a sealing wax maker. Betsy's father, Jacob MARTIN, was a successful confectioner and came from Exeter in Devon. Betsy died in 1871. I think he may have learnt his trade from Jacob.
He married again in 1872 in Walsall, (a 49yr old widowed confectioner) to Sarah Ann Theaker (nee Ryley). This time he says his father was called Isaac but his father's profession was the same as Benjamin's, a sealing wax maker. She died before 1878.
He married his 4th wife Margaret Clark 21 Oct 1878 (widowed confectioner) Walsall and again says his father was Isaac Myers - sealing wax maker. She died in 1889.
2 different father's names. I am pretty sure it is the same Isaac Myers marrying all of these women as he, his children and Besty and Margaret's details fit with the corresponding census records.
He died in 1905 at the Union Workshouse, Wednesfield, Wolverhampton.
I have researched every Isaac Myers born 1829 +/- 10 years in Middlesex (all districts) and followed all of them through the census records around the country. The only Isaac Myers that seems to fit is from the 1841 census:
Registration district -Whitechapel, Subdistrict - Artillery, piece 710, book 13, Folio 45, Pg 19. 1 Frying Pan Alley.
Catherine Myers 1804 Fruitier (many fruiters were confectioners)
Jacob Myers 1826
Aaron Myers 1828
Isaac Myers 1829
Henry Myers 1835
Julia Myers 1838
Abraham Myers 1841
From later census returns I know Catherine was from Holland and her mother also a Myers was Sarah born around 1771 in Holland.
Looking at records relating to Catherine and her children the father's identity is even more confusing:
Her son Jacob seems to vanish after 1841 although he could be the Jacob who married Esther Solomons in 1849 in the St Luke district.
Her son Aaron seems to vanish after 1851 although he could be the Aaron who married either Yetta Adler, Esther Goodman, Jane Harris or Sarah Levy in 1850 in the St Luke district, but in the 1851 census he is not with her and is listed as unmarried so perhaps not the same Aaron.
Her son Isaac is detailed above. He says his father was Benjamin Myers or Isaac Myers - sealing wax maker
Her son Henry possibly marries Caroline Elizabeth Gare in 1855 in the St Luke district. In 1862 he is sentenced to 4 yrs Penal Servitude for stealing Bernard Dunn’s watch (pickpocket) aged 28. The Old Bailey records say he was Jewish, Married with 3 children. Labourer. Height 5’3”, complexion – fair, eyes – Hazel, hair – brown. Scars on left cheek, nose and right eyebrow. No tattoos. Slender. Name and residence of next of kin – Catherine Myers 2 Bell Lane, Spitalfields. I think 1 Frying Pan Alley was on the corner of Bell lane. If Caroline Gare was his wife (please see poor law removal order below) then he says his father was Joseph on the marriage record.
Her daughter Julia's birth was registered. The address was Frying Pan Alley (consistant with 1841/1851/1861 census returns), the father is Jacob Myers, fruit dealer and the mother is Catherine Myers formally Myers. In 1861 she marries Henry Barnett both of Frying Pan Alley at the Great Synagogue. She says her father was Benjamin Myers disceased (this matches with Isaac's 2nd marriage). In 1861 Catherine is living near to her married daughter.
Her son Abraham likely married Matilda Boseman in 1862. Birth is registered as Bell lane, father Jacob Myers clothes dealer and mother Catherine Myers formerly Myers. I have not received his marriage certificate yet.
The last record I can find relating to Catherine is a poor law removal order - . 1 Frying Pan Alley age 58 (born 1804 - matches census data for age and address). I think the order is for her daughter in law Caroline Myers, (Henry’s wife) and their 3 children as he is under sentence in Newgate Prison. Here Catherine says Henry is her son and that she married a Henry Myers about 30 years ago in Amsterdam, only she was in the UK before then as she had Jacob, Aaron and Isaac before that, although she could have gone back to Holland to get married. Maybe the Henry she mentions was Benjamin's brother?
So the prospective fathers given by her and her children are:
Candidate 1 - Benjamin Myers given as a father in the 2nd marriage of Isaac (sealing wax maker) and also Julia.
Candidate 2 – Isaac Myers given as the father in Isaac’s 3rd and 4th marriages (sealing wax maker)
Candidate 3 – Jacob Myers, given on Julia and Abraham’s birth certificates
Candidate 4 – Joseph Myers, given on Henry’s wedding certificate
Candidate 5 – Henry Myers, given by Catherine in the poor law removal order!!!
This is why I would really like some records that might relate to the parentage of Catherine's children so that I can verify that this Isaac 1829 is my Isaac that moves to the Midlands. I would also love to find out more about Catherine and Sarah's lives in the UK and also in Holland, like what was Sarah's name before marriage and who was her husband. I can also find no UK death registrations for them. Did Catherine go back to Holland after the poor law removal? Where did she marry and to whom!
As you can see this is very confusing!!
Thank you so much for taking the time to read this.
Emma Sweetland emjsw@...>
Re: ViewMate Do you recognize? #usa
If you have access to NYC directories for the early 1900s you may be able to look up the two photo studios year by year and that would probably give you a reasonably good idea of how long they were in business.
The best russian forum in jewish genealogy is www.forum.j-roots.info
sincerely, Elena <yelena.v.volk@...>
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Trying genealogy forums in Russian is an excellent idea because English-based web sites like Ancestry and Myheritage have little to no information about Soviet Russia and other Soviet republics. Most participants in Russian language forums are as willing to help as those on JewishGen (of course, few pompous asses always come with the territory but they can be ignored). For non-Russian speakers, if a question, a point, or an idea are expressed in short simple sentences, then the online translators will do pretty good job conveying the essence of a request.
Regarding Donetsk, it is still a war zone. Remember the Crimean Peninsula takeover by the Russians? The hostilities are still not over. One unfortunate outcome of the war specifically for genealogists was that since 2014 the Russians terminated the access from Ukraine to social media sites based in Russia. So, a question posted on a “Russian” forum may not be visible to those who are physically in Ukraine.
If Lazar Yurovsky was an engineer, or a manager at a plant or a mine in Donbass and later in the Urals, he may be mentioned in one of the many books about Jewish contribution to the Soviet war efforts. These books were published mostly in Israel, but some in the USA and in Russia in the last 30 years.
Boris Feldblyum boris@...
Do Revision Lists include all children in a household? #lithuania
Do Revision Lists limit the number of children listed from one household?
My great grandfather was born in 1851 in Ziezmariai, Lithuania. He had several siblings who were born earlier.
Five of them were born before 1850, but only three are on the 1850 RL.
By 1858 there were 4 more children born, but only one more child was added to this list.
Would appreciate any help. Susan <suski2@...>
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Gesher Galicia SIG
Gesher Galicia’s journal, the Galitzianer, invites members and
non-members of Gesher Galicia to submit articles with a clear
connection to Jewish life in Austrian Galicia (1772–1918). Submissions
can also relate to Jewish life in the territory of former Galicia
during the interwar period and the Holocaust.
We welcome stories about Jewish history, culture and family life in
Galicia, as well as discussions of heritage sites and interesting
archival records. In particular, we are currently seeking submissions
on western Galician towns.
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Recent experience with Latvian Archives #latvia
This is a Part 2 to my previous message on Latvia SIG@lyris from April 9, 2020. To review, following a preliminary exchange of emails, I sent the Latvian Archives my initial deposit of 70 Euros on 23 December, by electronic transfer from my local bank, along with an emailed list of Latvian ancestors I had questions about. There were then some emails back and forth to clarify what they were finding and what I was looking for. They completed their search in 3 months, as of 30 March, and said they had collected 73 electronic files to send me once final payment was received. I sent them the final electronic money transfer on 9 April and, seven days later, received a Zip file from the Archive by email. The files consisted of copies of 13 Latvian passports (with photos), 2 marriage records (written in Cyrillic and Hebrew), 2 birth records (in Cyrillic and Hebrew), 2 divorce records (in German) [regarding the divorce of two Great-Uncles who divorced their Lutheran wives in order to save them and their children from being placed into Riga Ghetto ! ], 1 passport application (with photo), and an excellent 5-page summary, in English, of what additional information the Archive was able to gather regarding the ancestors I asked them to research.
For those of you who might be expecting to receive actual paper copies, you are in for a surprise; that is no longer done. Everything now is electronic: as I said above, you will receive a Zip file by email. I am in my early 70's, so - unlike my children and grandchildren - what to do with such things does not come intuitively to me. However, I found that the process goes something like this: Open up the email, double-click on the attached Zip File, when it opens up at the bottom of your screen, click "download" and install it on your computer [the Zip File you get from the Archives expires after two weeks, I believe, so you can't just leave the files there]. Once downloaded onto your computer, you will want to open up the individual files - and their subfiles - and then put it on Half-Screen format. Then bring up where you want the files to reside on your computer (such as "My Pictures" or Word files in "My Documents" or create a new folder such as "Latvian Archives", then place that receiving location on Half-Screen format, as well - so that you have the Zip file screen and the destination file screen side-by-side on your computer screen - and then individually drag-and-drop the files from the temporary Zip File to the location on your computer where you want to permanently keep them. As you bring the individual files over, one at a time, right-click your mouse and rename them so you will know what each file contains. Once you have completed that process, you can then print out hard copies as Word documents, for example. I don't guarantee that what I did will necessarily work for you. I might not have explained it accurately enough. The procedure will also vary depending on what operating system and what version of that OS your computer is using. If in doubt, ask your children or grandchildren, they probably know how to do it !
I hope my experience with the Latvian Archives and this information will be of use to those of you who are considering contacting the Latvian Archives. Remember that a human being is only dead when the memory of him has also died. Keep the memory of your ancestors alive for the next generation !
George Mason <gmason3815@...>
Town Map of Bender translated into English #bessarabia
The last of our available town maps for Bessarabia has been translated and uploaded to the Sig website. The map for Bender was from the Yizkor book, and I have asked Binny Lewis to also upload it to the online translation of the book, page 4.
To find the Bender and all other town maps at the Bessarabia Sig website https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/, hover over "HISTORY AND GEOGRAPHY", then" MAPS", and click on "TOWN MAPS TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH."
Roberta Jaffer, Massachusetts, USA <robertajaffer@...>
Polish Archives - what can be expected? #poland
I have just finished receiving a number of documents from the Latvian Archives, documents such as birth and marriage records and copies of passports with photographs. Given the extensive destruction that Warsaw experienced during World War 2, what kinds of records could I expect to find from a search of the Polish Archives for ancestors that lived in Warsaw from the 1880's through 1943? Would it be mostly birth, marriage, and death records, such as are already available on-line, or would they also have passports with photos and other types of documents? What is the best way to contact the Archives or go about finding out information about my ancestors there?
Thank You, George Mason <gmason3815@...>
According to a story in our family, my great great grandmother, Gittle
ABRAMOWITZ married , in a second marriage a gentleman from London,
Isaac LAZAROV (sp. ?) who was a widower (or divorcee) with over ten
children. It is said that he came to Jerusalem to find a wife and as
said above married my g.g.grandmother.
I'm not sure of the order of events but what is pretty sure that at
some point in her life she had lived in New Haven, Ct. It is said
that with LAZAROV she lived in Jerusalem. My guess is that it was
after her residence in New Haven.
Anyone recognize the above, Isaac LAZAROV. ?
TIA Happy Israel Independence day Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem <yonibenari@...>
Joanne Brodkin #general
I am trying to contact Joanne Brodkin. Last week, she sent a short note to me through YouTube, and mentioned Tarnopol and Zbaraza. I am hoping she is a member of Jewish Gen.
Please let me know how I might reach her. Thanks so much!
Susan J Gordon <sjgwed@...>
PRITZKER/“STEPANIKA”,KIEV GUBERNIA/POLISH ESTATE #ukraine
PRITZKER/“STEPANIKA”,KIEV GUBERNIA/POLISH ESTATE
Would appreciate any help in finding the location of a Polish estate where relatives lived. They called the town “Steponika/Stepanika”, Kiev Gubernia. They lived on the estate of a Polish count for whom their father, David Pritzker, worked as overseer of the sugar beet plantation and processing plant. The family lived on the estate. The lore is that the count bought the estate for his daughter, Alexandria, who was a child when the Pritzker’s worked there.
David’s sons took over the management in 1886 when David died.
Thanks for any assistance in locating “Steponika/Stepanika”.
Thanks for considering helping out! I know just about everything there is to know about my grandfather, and I have Anna's birth certificate from Poland so I know her father's name. Yes, the name matches her headstone plus she is buried in a family plot with numerous relatives, although not her husband or any children.
I'm trying to find out information about her children and grandchildren. It is an entire branch that is not represented in my family history.
Thanks for any help!
There is a chapter devoted to Malat/Moletai in my recent translation of the Utyan/Utena Memorial Book.
These two locations were close enough together, that there may have been mention of relatives.
If you are interested, contact me only off list.
Jack Berger jsberger@...
The Ohr LaShomayim & The Sh'loh HaKadosh #rabbinic
Sharon Galkin <sharongalkin@...>
I am trying to find a *definitive* source for the ancestry of the Ohr LaShomayim (Rabbi Meir Rottenberg of Apt), specifically whether he was a descendant of the Sh'loh HaKadosh. Much appreciated.
Sharon Galkin, Baltimore, MD <sharongalkin@...>
Still looking for any information about my gt grandmother. Her name with second husband was Sarah or Sura Hanna or Chana Aurebach.
First husband was Kalman Blackiroff or Blyiakheroff or Blyiakirov. Last heard from in Mariupul by sea of asoz about 1918--1920.
Probably from Belarus or Ukraine.
Any information or ideas are greatly appreciated.
I came to a brick wall sarching for my Yurovskii ancestors. They come from Lubny (in the Poltava region) which was the site of a mass shooting (no vital records or cemetry left
Luckily I discovered on the Yad Vashem that one brother of my grand father Lazar, his wife Olga and their daughter Karina have been evacuated from Karakubstroy (now Ksomoslkye in the Dombass region) to Magnitogorsk in the Urals. I have tried to research them but to no avail (Ancestry, Myheritage, genanet....). A friend suggested the archives in Donetsk (closed for the time being). I thought of genealogy forum in russian ? or else if anybody has an idea of a research tool. Any idea is welcome.
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I am so sorry to hear this news. My thoughts are with his family, who I know meant so much to him.
Avrum really understood what community meant. He was always eager to share and to teach. Early in my own work as a professional, he helped me to learn the ropes at the Municipal Archives and we spent a few nice post-research meals together. We once discovered that he had previously done work for a family that I was researching and he generously shared all of his research with me!
He will be missed. May his memory be a blessing.
Re: Family Tree Chart Especially for Cousins etc. #general
Hello Joanne from lockdown in Paris,
Concerning names spelling, always remember that our ancestors left Yiddishland countries to other places : there, their name was phonetically transposed from Russian, Polish or Yiddish pronunciation to French, English, Italian or Spanish.
So branches of our familes got different spelling from same original names.
Your initial question was very interesting and you / we get a lot of amazing trees.
May I attach one mor from a DNA genealogy website.
Take care, abi gezunt
Archives & history of Medem Center - Arbeter Ring (Workmen Circle) of France