Re: Hessen Gatermann database #germany

Roger Lustig

I should have been more specific when giving the following link for
users to find images while the links in the Hessen Gatermann database
are broken:

I wrote: In the meantime, note that the images can be accessed via

The search page is for town names. The results of that search should
include, on the right-hand side, an entry for "Standesregister der
jüdischen Gemeinden (1583 ff.)". Click on that one.

The result should be a list of links to the various available items. For
instance, for the town of Gudensberg, the results are:

Geburtsregister der Juden von Gudensberg, 1875-1901 (HHStAW Abt. 365 Nr.
Geburtsregister der Juden von Gudensberg, 1824-1874 (HHStAW Abt. 365 Nr.
Trauregister der Juden von Gudensberg, 1825-1900 (HHStAW Abt. 365 Nr. 386)
Sterberegister der Juden von Gudensberg, 1824-1900 (HHStAW Abt. 365 Nr. 387)

Now, in the Hessen Gatermann search results at JewishGen, next to the
link there is a call number of the form:

HHStAW 365/xxx/ppp/sss

where x, p and i represent digits.

x represents the item number in the collection.

p represents the page/image number within the item.

s represents the serial number of the entry, which often appears in the

For example, a marriage from the town of Gudensberg might have the call

HHStAW 365/386/36/131

The xxx number (386 in this case) is the item number, which points to
the 3rd item listed above. Click on the appropriate item and then
navigate to the indicated page (36 here).

Complicated? Indeed! That's why we're trying to get the links in our
database fixed as soon as possible.

Thanks for your patience,

Roger Lustig

Princeton, NJ

research coordinator, GerSIG

Re: Divorce Among Jews in Poland #poland


My 4th great grandfather, a rabbi in central Poland in the mid 19th century, was clearly divorced from his first wife. Though I never found divorce records or reference to the divorce, town records clearly show that he had many children with a second wife (given that he was a rabbi, I assume they were absolutely religiously married and that he had a "get" from his first wife).  Also, I did find a death record for the first wife, well after the period of the second marriage and the births of the children with the second wife. She reverted to her maiden name in public records.

Oddly, one of his sons and some of his grandsons were also divorced. I don't know whether this was because the concept of divorce was more acceptable or whether this family may have had a wider rift with other families in the town. 

Then again, in some of my other branches I also have over 100 years of records, and not one divorce.

Chae-Ran Freeze wrote an excellent book on Jewish marriage and divorce in the Russian Empire, and though the book didn't include much of "Congress Poland," a number of the reasons for divorce may have been  common over a wider geography (everything from religious differences to falling out of love).  

Re: Seeking WEISS family history in Hungary / Romania #hungary #romania

Richard Steinberg

My mother's family came from Torda and Kolosvar and one was married to a Weiss, Samuel Weiss (1882-1961) who settled in Philadelphia. He was married to Minnie Hermina Rothstein from Torda. They had 3 children. Ernest Weiss, Benjamin Weiss, and Esther Weiss Goldberg.

Re: Divorce Among Jews in Poland #poland

Dan Oren

As someone who has been taking oral histories for 43 years, I think better ways to understand a statement like "nobody got divorced" are "nobody I knew of got divorced" or "I never heard of anybody getting divorced" or "I was told that nobody got divorced." The speaker is usually being honest, to the best of their capacity, but they are not omniscient. Examination of written records or obtaining other oral histories often documents that blanket memories using a term like "nobody" might well be based on general patterns and customs, but are not absolutely true.

Munz (Muncz) Hungary #hungary

George Muenz

Hello. I have been fortunate in the past 3 years to find family on both sides that I did not know existed. Three years ago, I knew absolutely nothing. Now. I have met/connected with family in Israel, Hungary, Sweden, Germany, Argentina, and the USA. 

My Great Grandparents on my Fathers side were Mihaly Munz and Netti Schwartz. They apparently had 17 children and I have been able to find the names of 11 of them. I also discovered that we are descended from the famous Rabbi Moses Munz of Obuda. 

I am hoping to find more Munz (Muncz) family. It was not that common a surname in Hungary. Thank you. naftalim@...

Re: Name change to Gen(n), Gandz, or Gin on immigration to the U.K. c.1902 #names #ukraine #unitedkingdom

Jill Whitehead

My late mother born Phyllis Brown (ex Brin)(1917-1995)  in Edinburgh had a school friend called Rose Schulman who married a Scottish Michael Gandz. They moved to - by coincidence - Gants Hill in Essex after the war. They had two children Julian and Melvyn , and in the mid 1960's I was taken by my mother to the wedding of, I think, Julian. We lost touch I am afraid. But it is possible the sons are still in the area, if you wished to search for them.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: Benjamin Shapin family #names

David Oseas


I find it useful to use this search pattern -- search for a child's given name, together with both parents' given names, omitting the surname -- to find families where the surname may be recorded or transcribed incorrectly.

Also note that "Poland" during its history ceased to exist, so adding Poland as a country may be counter-productive.  The FamilySearch engine in particular will eliminate possible matches if you include data that doesn't match.  When using FamilySearch, it is best to enter the minimal amount of data, then filter to reduce the number of hits.

In this case, searching FamilySearch in NY for a person named Shirley (leaving surname blank) with parents Ben & Sarah turns up this 1930 census entry for Shirley Shapin: .  It appears to be the family you are interested in, though the older son's name is different.  FamilySearch then suggests this entry for the family for the 1940 census: .  The surname was recorded as "Shapiro" by the enumerator, but, again appears to be the same family, with the addition of a younger child named George.

David Oseas

KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles
Hungary > New York
OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles
SCHECHTER/SHEKTER: Kishinev, Bessarabia > New York  
SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania > New York > Los Angeles
STRUL:  Iasi, Romania > Haifa, Israel
WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles

Re: Papa/Devecser/Travel to Hungary and Request about Carei/Nagykaroly #hungary

The Nagy Karoly (Carei, RO) Holocaust memorial was indexed by H-SIG:

I remember it had pictures of the name plaques, but I can't find this database in the new search interface.

Jacob Shayzaf, Israel

WEISZ / FRANK  Nagy Karoly

Re: SZKLARKIEWICZ or similar, STEIGLITZ and similar, and ELLENBOGEN. 1800s #poland

Jill Whitehead

Hi Barry,

I have spent the weekend sorting out years and years of old papers and come across some more Ellenbogen information by chance. 

1) Simon Hill - who is married to a relation of mine - wrote an article for Landsman some years ago (I have the final draft of the article, and would say it was about 10 years ago). It is called "More on early Rajgrod migration  to Great Britain". He refers to the Gorfunkle family - which is how Simon's wife and I are connected as two of my maternal Guttenbergs married two Gorfunkles. They went from Rajgrod to Liverpool and Manchester in the 1860's. Jacob Gorfunkle's sister Rachel came with her husband David Ellenbogen and their son Selig and his wife. They are all in the 1871 Liverpool Census. 

He also mentions other families with similar names to yours but anglicised names. Samuel Gorfunkle (son of Rachel's brother Mendel) married Syma Sierowicz (which is a bit like Szklarkiewicz) in 1865 in Rajgrod and they came to Liverpool in the late 1860's. His household included his brother in law Hirsch Ellenbogen. The 1871 Liverpool Census shows  Selig Ellenbogen b Rajgrod 1845 in Everton - he was a glazier in Everton like my paternal great grandfather Joseph Servian. Also in the household were a family called Steinsapir which is a bit like Steiglitz. Jacon Steinsapir was born in Rajgrod in 1840.  They set up in business together as Ellenbogen and Stonsper, glass dealers.

Also mentioned is Isaac Ellenbogen b Rajgrod 1855 son of David and Rachel. He married Hinda daughter of Rabbi Isaac Leventon (this family was also connected to  my mother's Brown family of Edinburgh via Hinda's mother Rosa Greenberg). Isaac was a picture and furniture dealer in Liverpool (again like my father's family and many other Jews in Liverpool). 

Also of interest is which gives the details of and naturalisation dates for the Liverpool Jewish families of the time. You can find the following Ellenbogens: Isaac, Myer, Hyman, and Jacob, 

Jill Whitehead, nee Servian
Sutton, Surrey, UK

Re: Papa/Devecser/Travel to Hungary and Request about Carei/Nagykaroly #hungary


Where can I email the photos?

Re: mintz surname #general

Norbert Steiner

Sorry I cannot help you with tracing the Mintz name but I am looking for a Karin and Seth Mintz. Karin's maiden name was Hirschkrohn and her son's name was Stephen. I last saw Karin and Stephen in Israel in 1966. I hope you know something about them.

Re: Focsani, Romania #romania

Victoria Barkoff

I highly recommend consulting Soren Goldenberg from the Botosani research team, who has access to unpublished records. He managed to track down the name and birthplace (Falticeni) of my great-grandmother by discovering a missing link between her and her sister – a brother who appeared in several records. All Soren had to go on were the names of my great-great-aunt and some of her children, my guess at my grandmother’s first name, possible names for their father, and the fact that they might have lived in Piatra Neamt (as it turned out, the sister had lived in Tigru Neamt). His research confirmed and revealed many names and added dozens of birth, marriage and death records and several generations to my research. You can reach Soren via the Jewish Genealogy in Romanian Moldova Facebook page ( or at the email address in this thread.

Victoria Barkoff
Montreal, Canada


Germany: BERGHOFF (Hamburg); DOTTENHEIMER (Markt Berolzhiem); EMANUEL  (Hochberg-am-Neckar);GIDEON (Nordstetten and Hochberg-am-Neckar); GIPPERT/GEBHARDT? (Berlin); HOCHBERGER (Muhringen);

England: FRANKS, MOSS, SLAZENGER (Manchester, Liverpool, Bolton, etc.)



Poland (Prussia): MARCOWICZ/MARCO,  SILBERSTEIN (Ostrow Wielkopolski)

searching Austro-Hungary for family #austria-czech #hungary

Norbert Steiner

My father grew up in a town now known as Deutschkreutz in Austria. Though the name is a German name everybody in the town speaks Hungarian. He told me that he had siblings (I know all 4), half siblings and step siblings (none of whom I know). The only thing I know about one of them is that he went to Australia and won a Bronze medal at the Olympics in California for Australia. Can anyone advise me where or how to look for those half- and step-siblings? I believe that I have exhausted all data banks that I know of but there must be others that I know nothing of. How does anyone look for documents without physically going to the towns and villages where they lived?

Re: Where are the vital records for Bircza, Galicia? #galicia #poland

Moishe Miller

Hello Group Members, 

I hope my note finds you well and safe from Corona.
I saw the posting in the JewishGen Group, regarding Bircza. My interest in the town is regarding: 
Sender Holtz, born circa 1889 in Bircza and lived and dies in Chrzanow (1936). His parents were Aron Tzvi (Hersh) Holtz and Perel Goldman. Aron Tzvi's brother married Perel's sister. An outline tree is below. My primary goal is to determine who, and from where, were the parents of Aron Tzvi and Perel?
Moishe Miller
Descendants of boy Holtz
1  boy Holtz
........ 2  Ahron Tzvi "Hersh" Holtz b. circa late 1850's
............+Pearl Goldman
...................3  Anna "Annie" Holtzb: 1881
.......................+Moshe Aaron "Max " Grapelb: January 03, 1877 in Krecov, Poland
................... 3  Rose Holtz b: March 14, 1884 in Menorah Home, Brooklyn, NY Residence: Menorah Home, Brooklyn, NY
.......................+Joseph Silversteinb: 1884
................... 3  Alexander "Sender" Holtz b: 1889 in Bircza d: 1936 in Chrzanow, Poland
.......................+Sura Sheva Altmanb: Bet. 1890 - 1895
...................3  Isidore Holtzb: 1891
.......................+Julia ?
........2  Zanvil Holtzb: Abt. 1873 in Bircza, Poland
............+Hinda Goldman
...................3  Alexander "Al" Holtzb: 1886
.......................+Serena Nemet
...................3  Reila "Ela" Holtzb: Abt. 1892 in Bircza, Poland
.......................+Hersh Hendler
...................3  Isidore Holtzb: 1892
.......................+Hannah ?b: 1898
...................3  Kalman "Charles" Holtzb: October 06, 1901
.......................+Nettie ?b: January 01, 1899
...................3  girl Holtz

Re: Romania #bessarabia #ukraine #lithuania (European Union) European Jewish Cemeteries Initiative Launches New Website With Surveys of 1500 Jewish Cemeteries #bessarabia #ukraine #lithuania

Yefim Kogan


I am not sure what was the goal of that project.  It is just a survey, and they did an Ariel photos of the cemeteries.
I knew about this project from a person in Moldova who helped them. But no one contacted JewishGen/JOWBR/Bessarabia about it.

There was another survey in Moldova, done in 2010 not sure who did it,  but the document was written by US Commission for Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad

That report is outdated, and it does not include many of cemeteries we worked on, and many damaged since.

Thanks,  Yefim Kogan

Re: Divorce Among Jews in Poland #poland

Sally Bruckheimer

I have been looking at Polish records from the mid-1800s recently, and divorce is not that rare. I have no idea about reasons, but a number of marriages have either the bride or groom divorced.
I guess my mother was wrong. She said nobody got divorced; just like nobody had children out of wedlock before 1960.
Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Re: Divorce Among Jews in Poland #poland

Fay Bussgang

I have just been indexing records from Brzeziny for the early 1920s, and have come across several divorce records that are tucked in with the marriage records to which they refer. I am not sure that was true of all towns or all years, but that is how it was done in Brzeziny at a certain time.

Fay Bussgang

Pustilnik(off) from Zlatopol Ukraina #france #ukraine


Looking forward information related to Pustilnik(off) family from Zlatopol in the south gubernia of Kiev in Ukraine, who came to Paris at the very begginning of the 20th century. Please contact patrice.markiewicz@...

Geneslaw (Genieslaw) family of Piotrkow and then Brooklyn #poland

Neil Rosenstein

Trying to make contact with the children of Sara and Morris (Moshe)
GENESLAW born in 1929 - Rivka Chaya (Rebecca), Chaim Alter, Machi and
Leah. They descend from the Piotrkow HOROWITZ family of rabbinical

Re: Seeking descendants of eleven LIEBOWITZ children who settled in Toronto, New York and New Jersey #usa


Iris,   my Bessie  married a Sam Lippman and they had 7 children.  so not the same Bessie.    If many of the sibling names are similar  maybe there is connection further back since everyone is normally named for past relatives.   unfortunately i havent figured out if my Israel Dovid Leibowitz had brothers or sisters in america, canada  or elsewhere for that matter.  his headstone lists  his father as Elchanon.