Were "nephews" sometimes really cousins? #general


I have a number of photo postcards, written to my husband's grandfather, Max Rubin, an immigrant from Ostrowitz, Poland.  The postcards are written by different individuals (n both Yiddish and English) each of whom refers to himself as "your nephew."  The problem is that Max didn't have as many nephews as there are senders.  I'm trying to figure out what's going on here.

I know it's common in many families for older relatives to be referred to honorifically as "aunt" and "uncle" when they're not literally the aunt or uncle of the person addressing them.  Were there similar instances in which there were honorific "nephews" who were really younger cousins?

Erika Gottfried,  Teaneck, NJ     <erikagottfried53@...>

Belaya Tserkov, Ukraine #ukraine #usa


My grandfather, Morris (Moishe) Davidson (Davidsohn) was born in Belaya Tsekov, Ukraine on April 10, 1893 and died August 25, 1968. He came to the United States on December 1913 and was married to Rebecca (Reba) (Rivke) Mazis (Meyer) in 1916. His tombstone and death certificate indicates his father's name was David. He is buried in Mt. Sharon Cemetery. There is a David buried there who was born  in 1870 and died in July 1944. However, I can find no evidence, tying that David to Morris. At the moment, it seems as if I am at a dead end. Any suggestions?

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KANTOR descendants of Reb. Chaim of Volozhin #israel #ukraine #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari

I am trying to confirm a family written story which states that my
great grandmother , Bracha KANTOR/SCHECHTER was a descendant of Reb.
Chaim of Volozhin (or at least another member of his family).

Bracha's mother, Sarah Hinde KANTOR married to Reb. Shlomo KANTOR, a
Chazan in Karlin (Pinsk) during the second half of the 19th cent. The
above "story" includes a comment that Reb. Itzaleh, Reb. Chaim's son
took Sarah Hinde or her mother to her chupa (wedding canopy) as her
parents had died before her wedding.

Researching the published trees of Reb. Chaim, the closest similarity
that I found was that Reb. Itzaleh in fact had buried his own daughter
and her husband (LANDAU) and that in fact they had an unmarried
daughter. Unfortunately I do not find my ancestress in any of the
trees. I know that many rabbinical family trees often do not included
children who were not Rabbis or married to one. In fact a member of
the SOLOVEITCHIK family,(descendants of Reb. Chaim) wrote me that his
branch was not included since they did not go into the rabbinate.

Well known descendants of my great great grandmother are Chaim Dov
KANTOR, who was the mashgiach (kosher supervisor) of the yekev
(winery) in Zichron Yaacov (Israel) and Rabbi Yacov Meir SCHECHTER of
Chassidut Breslev. I had asked R' Yacov Meir as to the reliability of
his father's above story and unfortunately he could confirm or not
confirm it. Chaim Dov's (who died in the 1940s) descendants also
couldn't confirm the above story.

I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has a complete listing of
Reb. Chaim's descendants if he can confirm the connection between our
families.                      TIA.       

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem    <yonibenari@...>

Re: ship records back to Europe from New York #usa


Hi  Lisa B       <n2dzine2@...>

Do you only have the record from the Hamburg Passenger lists or also the record of the arrival in New York?
On the Passenger Manifest of the arrival in New York, there must be a second page which contains useful information.
Did you search for his entries in the United States census lists? New York has some for 1910, 1915, 1920, 1925, 1930,
the other States for 1910, 1920, 1930. You can find all this records on familysearch.
As far as I know records for the travel back to Europe can only be found on ancestry, and only if he changed ship in Great Britain.

Regards,   Corinne Iten   <itencorinne@...>

Feige GLASS-Tel-Aviv -early 20th cent. #israel

Yonatan Ben-Ari

My father-in-Law, Rabbi Moshe (Morris) YERUSHALMY had a relative Feige
GLASS who lived on Shderot Chen during the mid 20th cent.. She was
also family with Dr. Yitzchak REFAEL (VERFEL) who was a minister in
several Israeli governments, representing the Mizrachi/Mafdal party.

We would like to review the exact relationship between the JERUSHALMY
and GLASS family.


Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

Translation of the Memorial Book of Bolekov, Ukraine at reduced price #yizkorbooks #ukraine

Joel Alpert

Memorial Book of Bolekhov

Yizkor Books in Print is happy to make this book available at severely
reduced pricing by ordering through JewishGen

List price: $47.95, available from JewishGen for $32

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For information on the other 95 other Yizkor book we publish, go to:

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Re: Need for education on how to post [Find it at:] #guidelines

Peter Lebensold

With regards to posting standards, I'd like to see more emphasis being placed on all family names (and nothing else) being written in all-capitals and making sure that every post is signed with at least a last name.  Ideally, the Moderator(s) would return-to-sender any posts that do not comply with these long-standing standards.

It would also be very helpful - to those of us scanning the daily digests - if anyone asking for a translation (whether via ViewMate or other means) of a document would please include the (known or presumed) family name linked with that document, so that most of us don't need to go to ViewMate to see if the document might be of personal interest.

Peter Lebensold,  Toronto

Researching: GELBFISZ/FISH/GOLDWYN (Warsaw, Los Angeles), LEBENSOLD/LIBENSCHULD/and variants (anywhere), SZAFIR/SHAFFER/ and variants (Warsaw, Brazil, New York, Texas, elsewhere in USA), KORN (Poland, Philippines, San Francisco), BORENSTEIN (Poland, USA, Canada), WERNER (Poland, Glasgow) ...

Seeking info on ZALMAN family from Moinesti Romania #romania #usa


Hello- I am trying to get more information on my great-grandfather's family in Moinesti, Romania.
His name was JACOB ZALMAN.
He immigrated to Pittsburgh, PA sometime in the early 1900's & married my great-grandmother Sophie ABRAMOVITCH from Bucarest.
At some point he became a merchant seaman and there's a possibility he returned to Romania, but I am not certain as he left the family.

Any info on ZALMAN family specifically from Moinesti would be appreciated.   Thanks!

Alexandra  Sokol,    alexstuffbox@...

Re: Help with gravestone artwork and translation for Sarah P. Weiner #translation #usa

Leya Aronson

I enlarged the tombstone using a programme called IRFANVIEW. The initial on the stone after Sarah is P. not H. 

Leya Aronson
Toronto, Canada

Seeking information on YUNOVITCH married KRAMEN Family from Volkavysk, Grodno, Russia (Belarus) #belarus #unitedkingdom


Hi All - I have been tracing my very large family originally from Volkavysk, Grodno, Belarus (then Russia).
I know my great grandfather's name was Dovid YUNOVITCH (family became Yanow) and his wife was Golde  KRAMEN.
I am especially looking for more info on the Kramen side.
Also, any information on the Yunovitch family in the UK as well, as I know a few of their older sons (my grandfather's brothers) went to England as well as a branch in Canada and then US.                    Much appreciation for any info or connections.   Thanks,

Alexandra   <alexstuffbox@...>
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Re: Need for education on how to post [Find it at:] #guidelines

Steve Stein

Well, now that all the groups have been merged into the main group, I would appreciate guidance on how to read the list, particularly on how to ignore or suppress hashtags that I am not interested in. With a single group, it wasn't so bad, but now the daily lists are considerably longer.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ

Re: Seeking relatives of Erna EICHMANN of Bad Salzuflen and Cape Town #southafrica

Sherri Bobish

Hi Anne,

I found a 1937 marriage record for Erna.  She married Eitel Fritz HAMLET in Cape Town.

Erna HAMLET passed on Nov. 1978, and there is a probate record in Cape Province, SA.

Hope this info helps,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Re: Translation of Hebrew and Yiddish phrases #yiddish #translation

Dr.Josef ASH

1 died in 1932 in Lods, there was burried
2 something like: Yosele when you see it green, believe your eyes and don't tell it is blew (Yiddish)
3 by eye seeing 
4 among all other sons of Israel
5 passing away, 
6 Simon the eldest boy,( he who was born thr first to his parents)
7 with the G-d's help
8 among  the first ones in the old cemetery ...
9 maceiva - tomb stone. Jizkor - memorial prayer
10 history
11 choice
12 was buried in the new cemetery in Lodz
13 ... old...
14 died in 1932 in Lods, and was burried there in the new cemetery
15 ...may their name be blotted out! Damn them!
16 to 120 (years life)
17 the little dolly (Yiddish)
18 = 14
19 I would spell it Tsvi, The Hebrew letter is Tsadik, sounds like German Zimmer, in Yiddish 2-tswej
20  this looks like "of blessed memory"   the right letter with apostroph means God, it is the first letter of His name which is forbidden to tell. The left letters MAY BE  the word Yid - a Jew, but I cannot understand the connection...

Josef ASH, Israel

Re: searching Austro-Hungary for family #austria-czech #hungary

Try the indices in the following link

The town was known to Jews as Tselim to avoid saying kreutz cross.

The records are available online on the Familysearch website.

Jacob Shayzaf Israel   <>

Norbert Steiner  <steiner71@...>  wrote:
My father grew up in a town now known as Deutschkreutz in Austria. Though the name is a German name everybody in the town speaks Hungarian. He told me that he had siblings (I know all 4), half siblings and step siblings (none of whom I know). The only thing I know about one of them is that he went to Australia and won a Bronze medal at the Olympics in California for Australia. Can anyone advise me where or how to look for those half- and step-siblings? I believe that I have exhausted all data banks that I know of but there must be others that I know nothing of. How does anyone look for documents without physically going to the towns and villages where they lived?

Volunteer opportunity: Help transcribe and index Holocaust documents from Arolsen Archives #holocaust

Kfir Ovadia

Arolsen-archives is seeking for people to help expand their database based on the documents they have.
Most of documents are in good condition and are simple to read.
Information at:

Make an effort to join the team and help transcribe and index the documents ! 

(There's also a similar project on ancestry and another at USHMM -  on other documents)

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moderated Re: Ancestor with Several Different Given Names? in records from 1800s Hungary #hungary

Jews used Hebrew or Yiddish given names. The secular names used in documents were sometimes connected (a translation), the first letter of the secular name had the same sound or were not connected.
I have similar issues of the sane person with several secular names in different documents.
In your case I guess the Jewish name was Wolf (or Ze'ev in Hebrew). Farkas is a wolf in Hungarian and Wilhelm has W like Wolf.
The name Jozsef is either not connected or he had 2 names.

Jacob Shayzaf, Israel   <>

Re: ship records back to Europe from New York #usa

Molly Staub

I had a similar situation with my paternal grandfather. he lived in Dumbraveni, Moldova, and sailed to New York from Liverpool to join family in Philadelphia. The family story is that he was mugged, had a steel plate inserted in his head, and had amnesia. He eventually returned home because he learned his father was dying, and he died in Dumbraveni. However, no one knew how long he had stayed in America. At our Jewish Genealogy of Palm Beach County meeting, we had a speaker from HIAS. For $35, he located my grandfather returning through England after 10 years, having changed his name from Einoch to Emil. You might be as lucky if you try that.

Molly Arost Staub    <staubmolly@...>

Re: Help with gravestone artwork and translation for Sarah P. Weiner #translation #usa


Most candelabras on gravestones seem to have two candleholders.  This one has four.  Many women have a tradition of lighting one candle per family member.  The following is just a guess, but this MAY mean that she had two children.
Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA



Do you have a Krieger passenger sheet when they first arrived in the US? My family is Krieger from Petersburg, but I try not to miss all Jewish speakers of this family name.
The names Harry and Morris are American names, they were definitely different at birth.
Harry’s name was often taken in America by Aron or Hirsch, but this is of course not necessary.
Morris could be Moses, Morduh, or even Mendel.
Did you find a family similar to yours at  If so, pay attention to the grandparents indicated in the birth records or census family . Usually, children were given names in honor of deceased close relatives. For example, if you find a birth record for Esther, whose grandfather was named Morduch (or Moses, or Mendel), and Morris is Esther’s brother, then pay attention to this family.
I know of one family registered in Krakinawa, but living according to the 1897 census in Livengof, Dvinsky county. These are Meer (72 years old) and Hana Krieger (71 years old). Unfortunately, there is too little information from you to understand the relationship between Esther and the rest, their approximate age ...

Re: Help on serveral ukrainian ancesters #ukraine

Chuck Weinstein

Just to be clear, prior to 1991, there really was no practical difference between Russia and Ukraine.  Although Ukraine S. S. R. was nominally an independent country from 1919, it was completely controlled by Russia, who determined its boundaries.  Crimea was ceded by the Russian Soviets to Ukraine in 1954, but was reconquered and annexed by Russia in 2016.  Presently, there is no access to archives in Crimea.  It is considered by Russia to be a security zone.  The few records on line are all there are likely to be for some time.  

Chuck Weinstein
Towns Director, JewishGen Ukraine Research Division

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