Re: Help on serveral ukrainian ancesters #ukraine

Chuck Weinstein

I am not sure what you find puzzling.  There were known to be many documents in the Simferopol and Sevastopol Archives before 2014.  They covered large areas of the Crimean Peninsula.  Records include census (Revision Lists), birth, marriage, divorce, and death records, as well as others.  Access has been denied since 2014.

The political status of Crimea has been a subject of a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia. Russian forces seized Crimea by force in 2014. Russia then annexed Crimea in 2014 following a referendum, and administers it as two federal subjects of Russia, and claimed it to be 'fully integrated' in July 2015.

Chuck Weinstein
Towns Director, JewishGen Ukraine Research Division

Genome Mate Pro ("GMP") question #dna

Moishe Miller

Dear DNA Group,

I hope my note finds you and your loved ones safe and healthy.

Would you know if Genome Mate Pro ("GMP") has the capability of automatic "painting"? For instance, if I load my DNA to the software and also load my father's DNA, and identify it as such, will GMP be able to "phase" my 44 autosomes into 22 paternal and 22 maternal "strands"? And, for females, also the two "X" chromosomes? My understanding is that this level of phasing eliminates many false positives for small segment matches.

If GMP can do this, could GMP then compare my DNA to anyone, and determine if a match is a maternal or paternal match?

Does GMP have the further capability of allowing me to load DNA from other relatives, like aunts/uncles, 1C, 2C, etc., in sufficient quantity, so that the software is able to "paint" most of my DNA to my eight great-grandparents? If it can, then it would seem likely it can determine where any DNA match probably stems from (ie, which of my 8 g-gp's)?

Is there any software (yet) that can do this?

Thank you for your time,
Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY

Re: Stillborns #names #usa #general

William Sklar

Coreyabrand@...  asked about names and burials of stillborn children "in the religion"

Under halachic law [jewish law] a baby is named at his bris if he is a boy, or in shul when her father has an Aliyah.  With a still born there is no name.  The child is often buried at the edge of the cemetery without a headstone and the records would only show “Baby Cohen”.    The family may have had a name in mind but that is not the still born’s Jewish name.

William L. Sklar .

SHALIT in North Dakota from Panevezys #lithuania

John Anderson

I am trying to determine any connection between Katherine (Katy, Kreindel bat reb Menachem Pinchas) SHALIT, born 04 Feb 1869 in "Russia," and Kreyna SHALIT who, from Lithuania, LitvakSIG Census & Family Lists from Various Districts, 1795-1900, was supposedly born c. 1868, daughter of Pinkhas and Malka (b. 1838) SHALIT, sister to Beyla (b. 1864) and Ariya (b. 1866). The question is this family list has "revision date" of 1908. This is a time when Katy SHALIT was married to Isadore HARTSTEIN and living in Fargo, Cass County, North Dakota. She had come over between 1890-1894, married HARTSTEIN in 1896 in Hennepin County, Minnesota, and settled later in Fargo, ND. 
Is this Katy/Katherine/Kreindel the same person as Kreyna from Lithuania listed above?


John Anderson,  <counselor12721@...>  Orlando, FL

1858 Mogilev Census (Belarus): Meaning of "Craftsman 6"

Karen Amato

In the 1858 Mogilev Census, some of my relatives are listed under the category “Craftsmen 6.”Does anyone know what that type of craftsman the number 6 refers to?
Is there a chart listing the various types of craftsmen, with corresponding numbers?
Thank you,  Karen Amato  kamato@...>
ISAACSON, KEYFETZ in Mogilev; PONARSKY in Belarus and Russia

Re: BRODIE / BOUDE #southafrica

Corinna Woehrl (nee Goslar)

Dear Richard and fellow list-readers,

I am sorry I missed this request as I am also searching for a  BROUDE-family member related to the GOSLAR-family:

Margarethe (Grete) KARPEL married BROUDE (nee Oct. 5th. 1894, Lissa/Leszno) was a sister of my Great-Grandmother Sophie GOSLAR.
My parents had contact with her in South Africa at the end of 1960/beginning 1970s. Maybe someone can give me further information on her and her husband?

Regards from Germany

Corinna (Woehrl nee Goslar)
Hoisdorf, Germany (between Hamburg and Luebeck)

GOSLAR, WUERZBURG, KARPEL, EHRMANN, KITZETAFF, ROSENSTEIN, ROSENSTERN, WOLLBERG, SCHLOSS, MEHRGUT and many other „connected“ families mostly in northern Germany (Luebeck, Hamburg,  Bremen, Berlin, Lissa, Breslau and in Lower Saxony: Grohnde/Boerry, Holzminden, Hameln, Neustadt a/Rbge)

Re: World War II Enlistment -- strange civil occupation #usa


David, that's great.   

1940 census says he was a grocery clerk.

Actors and actresses 002   Clerks in trade 112     

Paul Hattori
London UK

MINDEL, MINDELL from Utena and Vyzuonos, Lithuania
FELLER from Pabrade, Lithuania

Looking for lost family #russia #ukraine


Family of Morris Zager, of Proskovow, Russia, now Ukraine is sought.
My father, born on 17, Oct. 1893 was separated from his twin brother and older sister after their parents, David Zager and Leah Shuster Zager, died.
In 1913 he came to the United States and never saw this family again.
I am looking for anyone who has any knowledge of these members or their offspring.

levinee55@... <levinee55@...>

Re: Were "nephews" sometimes really cousins? #general


When I was growing up in suburban London in the 1950s, I was taught to call our neighbours (who weren't related in any way and weren't Jewish) uncle and aunt. A 'respect for your elders' thing.

Henry Best,
London, UK.

Searching:- BEST (Netherlands and UK), SAMUEL(S) (UK), PEZARRO (Italy, Portugal, Netherlands, UK)

Re: Were "nephews" sometimes really cousins? #general

Deborah Blinder

When my mother immigrated to the United States after World War II, she was sponsored by an uncle and aunt who had left Germany just before the beginning of the war. I knew them when I was small, and my mother always called them Onkel Otto and Tante Paula. She called their son, who was about a year younger than my mother, her cousin, and I always assumed they were first cousins. Long after the deaths of my mother, her cousin, and her uncle and aunt, my research revealed that Onkel Otto was actually my mother's first cousin once removed, and his son was my mother's second cousin. It's too late to ask, of course, but I assume my mother referred to these cousins as uncle and aunt out of respect, since they were of her parents' generation and acted, in a way, as surrogates for her parents, who did not survive the Shoah.  
Deborah Blankenberg (JewishGen ID #613395)  Lodi, CA   dtblankenberg@... 
Researching BLOCH/BLOCK (Germany to New York, Colombia and Missouri),
BLINDER (Kishinev to New York via Poland? and Paris),
KUSHER/KUSZER (Lodz vicinity to New York via Paris), GOLDSCHMIDT (Germany)

Question About Given and Family NAMES Used in Russian Marriage and ARMY Records #russia

David Prater

Using the information found in the following newspaper article memorialising Alexander and the names found on Alexander’s headstone: Eliyahu, Tzvi, Alexander and Fisher.  I should be able to discover Alexander in Russian records for his time in the Army and his marriage.

Could some body please suggest what name(s) I should be using when searching Russian records?

-- David Prater  California, USA  praterds@...


Looking for Mr. BUCHALTER in Kunev Chmelnytsky Russia or it's environs... #russia

sharon yampell

My great great grandfather was Jacob BUCHALTER  and he was born in about 1860 in Kunev Chmelnytsky Russia or it’s environs.  I am looking for both of Jacob’s parents but moreso his father. The story that has been circulating throughout  the family is that Mr. BUCHALTER  left Mrs. BUCHALTER  while she was pregnant with Jacob.  I don’t even know if Jacob had any siblings from this union or marriage.


Hoping all stay safe and well!!     Sharon F. Yampell,  Voorhees, NJ USA   GenealogicalGenie@...

Re: Translation of Hebrew and Yiddish phrases #yiddish #translation


Bob Silverstein  bobsilverstein@... asked for help translating 20 words and phrases from a letter including "Is the man’s name Cwi the same as Tvi?"

Cwi is a Polish spelling of the Hebrew name Tzvi, which I've also seen spelled as Zvi and Zwi. 
The Hebrew spelling is TZADI - VET [bet without a dot] - YUD.
By the way, the name of the first letter is Tzadi, not Tzadik; this is a common error, and came about because the next letter in the Hebrew alphabet begins with a 'k' sound and when the alphabet is recited these sounds run together.
Fredel Fruhman, Brooklyn, New York, USA   <fredelfruhman@...>

Looking for Skole, Ukraine, Birth Records circa 1925 #ukraine


I'm looking for some guidance in locating a birth record from Skole, Ukraine, from 1925 if possible. 

A cousin, Richard Groedel (1890-1964), lived in Skole and was married to Valerie Groezinger (b.? - 1971). My understanding is that they had no children. However, as part of my research and postings, I have been contacted by three people claiming to be Richard's son and daughters, possibly (probably) from another mother(s). The child's record I am most interested in locating is Sarah. She was born in Skole on 18 Jan 1925. Another name she might have used was Christina (Krystyna) Szyszowski. 

The second daughter, named Irina - her mother could have been Helena Kunicka (b. Sept 29, 1899) who worked for the Groedel family. Unfortunately, I don't have the birth date for Irina. I assume that both of these girls were born out of wedlock. Is there a way to locate the birth records? My goal is in trying to confirm or refute that Richard was the father.    Thanks!

J. Zeisler      

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Re: Fw: Brodie and Binnes family research #southafrica

Michael Hoffman

Hello Richard,

Access the following on Family Search for Esther Binnes Brodie probate record in South Africa

This record confirms the 4 children of Esther Binnes Brodie.


Michael Hoffman


Re: Need for education on how to post #guidelines


While we are at it, I'd love to see more specific subject lines in general.
So, instead of "looking for family from Lithuania", for example, we might see "Seeking [Family NAME], Lithuania, date(s)". 
A poisted photo would include location and possible family name.
I'm happy to help and often look at vague subjects only because I have the time, but it is frustrating to find that I have nothing for the inquirer.
Barbara Sloan,   Conway, SC   jbonline1111@...

Re: Were "nephews" sometimes really cousins? #general

Shelley Mitchell

My grandmother had neighbors in Kolomea. When they all arrived in NYC, they would visit and my grandmother always referred to them as distant cousins. I later learned that this was her reference to her close friends from back home. I verified that through my research.
Shelley Mitchell 

Re: Stillborns #names #usa #general

Shelley Mitchell

The overwhelming amount of stillborns on my tree were given a name. With the exception of stillborns on the ship, many have a grave. But I have to admit, I never had a need to search out their burial sites. In my living US family, again they’ve had a name and a grave.

That’s only my experience. In some circumstances, where the family was very poor, I can envision alternatives. Often the general rule has many exceptions. In NY, there has always been the opportunity to use a Hebrew Society for those burials.
Shelley Mitchell 

Re: Privis / Prewys and Bartik / Vartek #bessarabia


I'm not sure if this would be relevant to you but I descend from a BARTAK family of Druja, Belarus (then Lithuania). Though the name has meaning in Slavic languages and was used by non-Jews, my relatives claimed that  it stood for  "Ben Reb Tevye Ha-Kohen"---and I think I found the specific Tevye this was referring to.

Re: Were "nephews" sometimes really cousins? #general


IMO, it's absolutely possible. Because my grandmother had her children late in life, some of her cousins were actually young enough to be nieces and nephews, so that's how she referred to them and they called her 'aunt.'

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