Re: Were "nephews" sometimes really cousins? #general


I would like to add my own first hand experience as an answer to you. My father's eldest brother was older than him by 10 years. My Uncle's 1st son was 18 years older than I was & the 2nd son is 15 years older than me. I was raised to call both of these 1st cousins as "Uncle so & so" out of deference to the age difference. The remaining 2nd son & I had & still have a big brother/little sister relationship & stopped calling him 'Uncle' when I was about 13 years old & using only his & his wife's given names. When his wife & I are talking about him in the 3rd person she ALWAYS refers to him as 'Uncle so & so' & I have to tell you that neither one of us really notice the distinction. When I introduce him to people, he is introduced as 'my Uncle'. My children call him 'Uncle' & I had to explain in detail, our blood & lineage relationship because they really did think we were siblings. He is now 83 years old & I thank G-D everyday for giving me the best Uncle/Big Brother a girl could have ever wished for. Although his parent's were really my Uncle & Aunt, they stepped up to the grandparent plate for me & my siblings. Sometimes our emotional feelings about people are the truths of the relationship & not necessarily the true lineage.

Zoe FLOOD, journalist and filmmaker #names

Neil Rosenstein

Trying to make contact with the family of Zoe FLOOD, daughter of Frank
CHATTERTON (who was a British Office in Mandate Palestine born about
1915) and Miriam nee ZNAMIROWSKI, descendants of the rabbinical
HOROWITZ family of Piotrkow.

 Neil Rosenstein <neilrosenstein@...>

Viewmate translation request Yiddish #translation #yiddish #lithuania

Michael Herzlich

I've posted two short handwritten notes for which I need translations.

One in Yiddish on ViewMate at the following address -

A second in Yiddish is on ViewMate at the following address -

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

The notes are on the back of photo cards are from the album of a person related to the following families from the area near Merkine Lithuania:

Michael Herzlich,  Delray Beach, Florida USA     <mherzlich@...>

Belarus - EPSTEIN, HELFAND, POLLACK   Galicia (Poland, Ukraine) - HERZLICH, TREIBER

Re: Stillborns #names #usa #general

Steve Stein

This is not always strictly the case. The Chevra Kadisha will generally circumcize the deceased baby boy prior to burial (not a bris ceremony). I know of at least one case where a name was put on the death certificate, the name chosen by the family. This will vary from place to place. My case was in postwar Germany.

Steve Stein <steinsteve0608@...>

Looking for lost YARMOLINSKY from gub Podoski Ukraine #ukraine #usa

Calvin Ennis

I am looking for a cousin born YARMOLINSKY in the US .
His last place of residence was Atlanta Georgia about 1960 at age about 20.
May have been a medical or science student .May have used the name YARMO, MALINSKY ,or MALIN .
His father like  mine,was born in gubernia Podolski also called Podalia ,Ukraine .Any info would be appreciated 

Cal Ennis MD,  Pascagoula MS <cennis@...>

I would like to make contact with the descendants of Alvin Joseph THORNER, born in Brooklyn, NY, July 28, 1892 d. ? April 1965


I would like to make contact with the descendants of Alvin Joseph THORNER, born in Brooklyn, NY, July 28, 1892, and believed to have died in April, 1965.  Alvin is listed as a grandson of my 2X great-grandfather in the 1900 Census, from which I inferred that his father was one of the two already-deceased children of my 2X great-grandmother.  Should any of his descendants read this list, I hope they will know who his father was and perhaps open dialog about the family.

Contact me at YaleZuss@...

Re: Staub family #hungary #names


Hi Molly, We have communicated before. My familyStaub, was from Rzesvow , southern Poland.. and were descendants of Eliazer Staub. and Moses Aaron Staub ( wife..Sarah Beila Kneller Staub)The children came to the state between 1911, or os and 1920.   I am interested in your question about altruism.  I did hear Dr Staub speak a long time ago in the Boston area.  He looked like he could have been related to me!  I do not know where he is teaching now, but I think he still may be at U of Massachusetts in Amherst , Ma.  My family, especially my sister is the most altruistic person, I know! If you think of something that will help the world.. she does it! A Staub, through and through.  Good luck on your search, Marjorie Staub ( Boston area.. originally from NJ.. family form Brooklyn and the Bronx!.

Translation of the Memorial Book of Kozzienice, Poland at reduced price #yizkorbooks #poland

Joel Alpert

Memorial Book of Kozienice 

Yizkor Books in Print is happy to make this book available at severely
reduced pricing by ordering through JewishGen

List price: $79.95, available from JewishGen for $45

For more information and directions for ordering go to:
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Searching the Family of David and Rose LONDON in Philadelphia #russia #usa


Hello Genners,
I am researching the family of David and Rose London. David was a half brother to my grandfather Herman London Lander. Their father was Joseph London Lander. Somewhere in time my grandfather and his five siblings changed the name to Lander. The family originate in Proskrov, Russia and settled in Philadelphia. In Russia the name was Landau.

David married Rose Rose Cravitz(Kravitz) in 1906. Their children were Louis, Nathan, Morris , Betty (Bell), Sylvia (Cerota) and Gertrude (Weiss). I have found many documents to support this family. There was a break in the contact between this part of the London family and the Landers. I am trying to determine the reason and complete the family tree.

If this family is connected to you, please contact me privately.   Thank You,

 Walter Spector, Philadelphia

ViewMate Translation Requests - Yiddish #translation

Robert Mandelbaum

I have posted to ViewMate the backs of five postcards sent from Poland and Argentina. I would very much appreciate a translation of the Yiddish writing. The files can be found at the following addresses:

Please respond using the form provided in the ViewMate application or to me directly at rmandelbau@....

Thank you very much,
Robert Mandelbaum
New York, New York

ViewMate translation requests #translation

Andrea Dechter


I've posted 4 vital records that I believe are in Polish that I hope you can translate for me. They are on ViewMate at the following addresses...

I appreciate your assistance. Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.

Andrea Dechter

Coral Springs, FL



Andrea Dechter
Coral Springs, FL

Re: Were "nephews" sometimes really cousins? #general

Nicole Heymans

Hi Erika,

My maternal grandparents were German Jews, my grandfather's family were from Westphalia and Lower Saxony, my grandmother's from Posen Province, Prussia; later Breslau (Wrocław, lower Silesia) and Berlin. I've seen the term "Vetter" (strictly speaking, cousin) applied quite loosely to more distant relatives. Also parents' cousins (even second cousins and inlaws) called "uncle" and "aunt"; I remember meeting my mother's "tante Reine" who after some digging turned out to be my mother's aunt's husband's sister-in-law's sister. Take a deep breath and read that again slowly. There was also a couple who were probably only business relations, but also friends, of my grandfather's generation, who my mother and uncle called "aunt" and "uncle".

So my grain of salt is: if anyone was calling someone "aunt" or "uncle" they would sign "nephew" or "niece".


Nicole Heymans, near Brussels, Belgium



Need to have a Stenographic Shorthand Note Deciphered #translation

Mark Halpern

I have a draft of a letter from an attorney to the US Department of State in July 1941 explaining that his client is attempting to bring his daughter and family to the US from Japan. The family had traveled from Warsaw to Vilna to Moscow and then on to Japan via the Trans-Siberian Railway and a ship. They were awaiting the receipt of their immigration visas in Japan, when the US State Department decided that all visas would from July 1, 1941 be issued only from Washington DC. Time had run out on the family in Japan. They spent the War in Shanghai and finally immigrated to America in 1947. 

At the bottom of this draft letter is the attached shorthand note, which I would like "translated." If anyone knows shorthand and can provide what this note says, I and the family of these immigrants will be very grateful.

Thank you and stay safe.

Mark Halpern
Conshohocken, PA, USA 

Viewmate VM80882: Munkacz Marriage of Israel Abraham Rosenblum to Brane Schwimmer #ukraine #translation #general #hungary

Moishe Miller

Hello Fellow Researchers,

I have posted Viewmate 80882.

Line 3 of this image is the 1874 Munkacz Marriage Record of Israel Abraham Rosenblum to Brane Schwimmer.
There seem to be notes in various portions of this record and more notes below it, before line 4.

Can someone please extract all the detail of LINE 3 ?

To see what the record looks like, you can view it at:

If you have additional comments, please respond via the form provided in
the ViewMate application. You can also respond to my email.

Thank you! Stay safe, stay healthy,

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY

Re: Help on serveral ukrainian ancesters #ukraine

Chuck Weinstein

I am not sure what you find puzzling.  There were known to be many documents in the Simferopol and Sevastopol Archives before 2014.  They covered large areas of the Crimean Peninsula.  Records include census (Revision Lists), birth, marriage, divorce, and death records, as well as others.  Access has been denied since 2014.

The political status of Crimea has been a subject of a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia. Russian forces seized Crimea by force in 2014. Russia then annexed Crimea in 2014 following a referendum, and administers it as two federal subjects of Russia, and claimed it to be 'fully integrated' in July 2015.

Chuck Weinstein
Towns Director, JewishGen Ukraine Research Division

Genome Mate Pro ("GMP") question #dna

Moishe Miller

Dear DNA Group,

I hope my note finds you and your loved ones safe and healthy.

Would you know if Genome Mate Pro ("GMP") has the capability of automatic "painting"? For instance, if I load my DNA to the software and also load my father's DNA, and identify it as such, will GMP be able to "phase" my 44 autosomes into 22 paternal and 22 maternal "strands"? And, for females, also the two "X" chromosomes? My understanding is that this level of phasing eliminates many false positives for small segment matches.

If GMP can do this, could GMP then compare my DNA to anyone, and determine if a match is a maternal or paternal match?

Does GMP have the further capability of allowing me to load DNA from other relatives, like aunts/uncles, 1C, 2C, etc., in sufficient quantity, so that the software is able to "paint" most of my DNA to my eight great-grandparents? If it can, then it would seem likely it can determine where any DNA match probably stems from (ie, which of my 8 g-gp's)?

Is there any software (yet) that can do this?

Thank you for your time,
Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY

Re: Stillborns #names #usa #general

William Sklar

Coreyabrand@...  asked about names and burials of stillborn children "in the religion"

Under halachic law [jewish law] a baby is named at his bris if he is a boy, or in shul when her father has an Aliyah.  With a still born there is no name.  The child is often buried at the edge of the cemetery without a headstone and the records would only show “Baby Cohen”.    The family may have had a name in mind but that is not the still born’s Jewish name.

William L. Sklar .

SHALIT in North Dakota from Panevezys #lithuania

John Anderson

I am trying to determine any connection between Katherine (Katy, Kreindel bat reb Menachem Pinchas) SHALIT, born 04 Feb 1869 in "Russia," and Kreyna SHALIT who, from Lithuania, LitvakSIG Census & Family Lists from Various Districts, 1795-1900, was supposedly born c. 1868, daughter of Pinkhas and Malka (b. 1838) SHALIT, sister to Beyla (b. 1864) and Ariya (b. 1866). The question is this family list has "revision date" of 1908. This is a time when Katy SHALIT was married to Isadore HARTSTEIN and living in Fargo, Cass County, North Dakota. She had come over between 1890-1894, married HARTSTEIN in 1896 in Hennepin County, Minnesota, and settled later in Fargo, ND. 
Is this Katy/Katherine/Kreindel the same person as Kreyna from Lithuania listed above?


John Anderson,  <counselor12721@...>  Orlando, FL

1858 Mogilev Census (Belarus): Meaning of "Craftsman 6"

Karen Amato

In the 1858 Mogilev Census, some of my relatives are listed under the category “Craftsmen 6.”Does anyone know what that type of craftsman the number 6 refers to?
Is there a chart listing the various types of craftsmen, with corresponding numbers?
Thank you,  Karen Amato  kamato@...>
ISAACSON, KEYFETZ in Mogilev; PONARSKY in Belarus and Russia

Re: BRODIE / BOUDE #southafrica

Corinna Woehrl (nee Goslar)

Dear Richard and fellow list-readers,

I am sorry I missed this request as I am also searching for a  BROUDE-family member related to the GOSLAR-family:

Margarethe (Grete) KARPEL married BROUDE (nee Oct. 5th. 1894, Lissa/Leszno) was a sister of my Great-Grandmother Sophie GOSLAR.
My parents had contact with her in South Africa at the end of 1960/beginning 1970s. Maybe someone can give me further information on her and her husband?

Regards from Germany

Corinna (Woehrl nee Goslar)
Hoisdorf, Germany (between Hamburg and Luebeck)

GOSLAR, WUERZBURG, KARPEL, EHRMANN, KITZETAFF, ROSENSTEIN, ROSENSTERN, WOLLBERG, SCHLOSS, MEHRGUT and many other „connected“ families mostly in northern Germany (Luebeck, Hamburg,  Bremen, Berlin, Lissa, Breslau and in Lower Saxony: Grohnde/Boerry, Holzminden, Hameln, Neustadt a/Rbge)

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