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Re: Seek info about 17th century mixed marriages--Rhineland & Switzerland? #germany #france

Roger Lustig
 

There was no such thing as a "mixed marriage" involving one Jewish and
one Gentile party in the 17thC. In fact, that was generally true in
Germany, Switzerland, etc. until at least the middle of the 19thC.
Conversion of one party would have to precede the marriage, and
conversion to Judaism was not an option in most places.

As to LEHMANN coming from Lac Leman (Genfer See/Lake Geneva), it's
unlikely, especially as nobody would have caught the reference. LEHMANN
is about as common a surname as the German-speaking world has, with
literally 10s of thousands of entries in the White Pages.
(dastelefonbuch.de) It means, literally, "liege man," i.e., a vassal.
Quite a few LEHMANNs in Germany were Jewish, but they made up at most 5%
of the total. And before around 1800, Jews generally didn't use surnames
at all, and those who did are not known to have used LEHMANN.

Nor is WILBERS known to have been used by any Jewish family in Germany.
(Source: Lars Menk, _A Dictionary of German-Jewish Surnames._) Again, if
the surname existed in the 17thC, and wasn't one of a small number of
surnames used by Jews in big cities, it's not a Jewish surname.

Roger Lustig, Princeton, NJ USA
Research coordinator, GerSIG


Re: Unable to find names on passenger lists #names

Joel Hayflick
 

Hi Joel,

My SPITKOVSKY ancestors came through Castle Garden arriving on July 6, 1882 aboard steam ship “Australia”. There is a gap in the arrivals manifest, identified by passenger numbers jumping from one page to the next, on the digitized microfilm for this ship arrival in NY and that gap led me to ask the park service to investigate further. As bad luck would have it, my ancestors were on the pages in this gap. The park service wrote back in response to my inquiry about the nature of this gap in the record and indicated that the page was either missing or in such bad shape as to be unreadable hence was not photographed.

After 15 years searching in vain on microfilm records for arrivals into the US, I uncovered a newspaper article that mentioned the year in which my ancestor arrived. As a next step, I went to the Hamburg lists which proved to be instrumental to breaking through this brick wall. After finding them on the departures list, which has much less information than on the arrivals lists, that pointed me to the ship name and departure date. Using Stephen Morse’s One Step search tool I found the arrival date and city for the vessel.

Joel Hayflick,  Palo Alto CA USA   <jhayflick@...>


Re: Re: Searching for Leah Noah Da Costa #unitedkingdom

Laura Isenstein
 

There is a DaCosta family in Charleston SC dating back to the mid 18th Century immigrated from London UK. There is a Solomon DaCosta. Not sure of Leah, but you might try researching the family name in Charleston South Carolina USA. Hope this is helpful.

 Laura Isenstein <ljisenstn@...>

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Re: Stillborns #names #usa #general

jbonline1111@...
 

FWIW, my aunt, the first child of my maternal grandparents, was stillborn in NYC in 1916 and was not given a name.  As my grandmother was Orthodox, if it had been customary to give a name, I'm sure she would have been given one.  

Another possible Hebrew name for Louis is Eliezer, which was my paternal great-uncle's original name.  He adopted the name Louis after emigrating to this country around 1900 or so. He died in 1916. My father, born in 1917, was named for him and also had the name Louis, Hebrew name Eliezer. 

Barbara Sloan,  Conway, SC    <jbonline1111@...>


Avram or Abraham Avner #usa

Marc
 

Seeking info on Abraham Avner who immigrated through Galveston, TX in 1913 and went to Chicago, Ill.

Marc     <c2aggie@...>

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Re: Unable to find names on passenger lists #names

Susan&David
 



On 5/16/2020 12:34 PM, Hilary Henkin wrote:
Rhonda,  don't give up hope.

On one of my grandfather's several Border Crossing Records between Toronto and New York, he specifically stated the name of the ship he immigrated with (SS Corean) and the specific arrival date in 1908.

I did the same sort of multiple checks of that manifest, and several dates around his date, with no luck.  After all, someone wouldn't make up a ship name like SS Corean, would they?

Yep, he did.  A few years later, I found his departure record out of England.  He traveled in 1906, on a completely different ship.

Hilary Henkin
Los Angeles area

Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN;  BELIISKI;  HENKIN - GENKIN;  MESCENIKOV;  POZ - POZE
Ekaterinoslav - KATZ; LAPIDUS;  LAVROTIN - LAVRUTIN - AVRUTIN;  PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY - SEMERNITSKY;  STEINHART
Roumania:  DONNENFIELD;  DOLLINGER;  RINCOVER - HARINCOVER;  WISENTHAL - VIESENTAUL
Harbin, China:  FELDMAN;  PENZNER;  SREBERK - SCHRIEBER;
Lublin, Poland:  KATZ;  JARMUSZ


On 5/16/2020 8:20 AM, rhonda.post via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
Sadly, the naturalization applications do not always have the full information. My husband's grandfather Aaron Foreman (later name changed to William Aaron Foreman) applied four times for naturalization and I have all copies but there is no mention of a ship name. It says UNKNOWN. He was 7 years old in April 1904 which is arrival date obtained from naturalization application. It says they traveled from Liverpool to NY. The date of arrival on the 1910 census says 1905. I know he traveled with his mother Libe Katz. She married in June 1905 to Sameul Shenker in Boston, but died before she was naturalized. I have gone page by page on ship manifests on all dates in 1904 to the first half of 1905 looking for a woman with a 7 or 8 year old boy and have not been able to find anything. 


Re: another search for Karin #usa

jbonline1111@...
 

I was able to locate a high school friend by contacting her alma mater (college, that is).  I found her, though she chose not to make contact with us, her close senior year friends. At least I know she was okay.  The point is you might try the library, if you know which system, or her school alumnus society.  Probably neither one will give you her address, but you might prevail upon them to send her an email or letter for you, asking that she contact you. 

I have luck at times simply Googling the person's name with the state, too.
--
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Re: Need to have a Stenographic Shorthand Note Deciphered #translation

Linda Kelley
 

The shorthand was probably Gregg Shorthand, not Pittman, which I learned.

Linda Wolfe Kelley

Portland, OR, USA


Forgot to sign my name to new topic #lithuania #ukraine

Michele Lock
 

To the moderators,
 
A few days ago, I started a new topic, about a great uncle listing his birthplace as Slaviansk in the Ukraine, though all his siblings were born and raised in Northern Lithuania.
 
I forgot to sign my name and city at the bottom of the new message. Should I just start over with a new topic, or can you add my name and city at the bottom of the message that I started?
 
Thank you.
Michele Lock
Alexandria, VA


Re: Unable to find names on passenger lists #names

Hilary Henkin
 

Rhonda,  don't give up hope.

On one of my grandfather's several Border Crossing Records between Toronto and New York, he specifically stated the name of the ship he immigrated with (SS Corean) and the specific arrival date in 1908.

I did the same sort of multiple checks of that manifest, and several dates around his date, with no luck.  After all, someone wouldn't make up a ship name like SS Corean, would they?

Yep, he did.  A few years later, I found his departure record out of England.  He traveled in 1906, on a completely different ship.

Hilary Henkin
Los Angeles area

Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN;  BELIISKI;  HENKIN - GENKIN;  MESCENIKOV;  POZ - POZE
Ekaterinoslav - KATZ; LAPIDUS;  LAVROTIN - LAVRUTIN - AVRUTIN;  PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY - SEMERNITSKY;  STEINHART
Roumania:  DONNENFIELD;  DOLLINGER;  RINCOVER - HARINCOVER;  WISENTHAL - VIESENTAUL
Harbin, China:  FELDMAN;  PENZNER;  SREBERK - SCHRIEBER;
Lublin, Poland:  KATZ;  JARMUSZ


On 5/16/2020 8:20 AM, rhonda.post via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
Sadly, the naturalization applications do not always have the full information. My husband's grandfather Aaron Foreman (later name changed to William Aaron Foreman) applied four times for naturalization and I have all copies but there is no mention of a ship name. It says UNKNOWN. He was 7 years old in April 1904 which is arrival date obtained from naturalization application. It says they traveled from Liverpool to NY. The date of arrival on the 1910 census says 1905. I know he traveled with his mother Libe Katz. She married in June 1905 to Sameul Shenker in Boston, but died before she was naturalized. I have gone page by page on ship manifests on all dates in 1904 to the first half of 1905 looking for a woman with a 7 or 8 year old boy and have not been able to find anything. 
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Re: Tzipora Vidrevich Shusterovitz #latvia

@vshklyarnik
 

Hi,  Dorisi!
I do not have common roots with you, but I wanted to recommend reading the topic about the Shusterovich family from Nevel on the Russian-language forum Jewish roots. You may be familiar with javax (he leads this topic, a descendant of Shusterovich is his wife). I think it will be possible to write in English there, I hope you find some useful information.


Translation of the Memorial Book of Brzeziny, Poland at reduced price #yizkorbooks #poland

Joel Alpert
 

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Seek info about 17th century mixed marriages--Rhineland & Switzerland? #germany #france

Eearl2
 

Hi
     I'm a newbie. trying to find out if there are Jewish connections to my husbands family.    Per mixed marriages in the 1600's-1700's I would be interested in any research that has been done. In looking at my family line I noticed a definite
correlation (in Switzerland) of when Jews were booted out of certain cantons -that was when my family lines showed up in various parts of the country
as Reformed or Anabaptist/Mennonite. My dad tells the story (he wasnt sure how genuine) that the Lehmans originated from Lake Lehman (spelling?)
and might have been Jewish. Unlike most Mennonites my family lines (WEBER/HORST) were strong pro-Israel for generations. What I found interesting was that
both in Switzerland -Germany(Palatinate) and on coming to America there were several families that had tight connections -married each other -my generation
is the first to actually marry outside those connections. My dad could speak Pa. Dutch well enough that when he went to Europe for Relief work after WW2 that
he could talk fluently with the people he worked with.
 
WILBERS  - Krefeld Germany (husbands family) possible Jewish ? not sure thats why i'm on this

 Shirley Wilbers,   Eearl2@...
  Harrisonburg VA
 


BERGER, FRAJND records / Bilgoraj, Poland #poland #russia

Stanley Diamond
 


Yeruham Zvi Artlich ירוחם צבי קינסטליך wrote:
 

"I am looking for original documents of my mother 's parents....they lived in Bilgoraj, 


The Jewish records of Bilgoraj and close to 600 towns in Poland have been
indexed/extracted by Jewish Records Indexing-Poland  https://jri-poland.org/

In addition to the records online, JRI-Poland has data for more than 200 towns
that is not yet online.  For more information on the status of records for your
town, go the "Your Town" link on the JRI-Poland home page or write to:
[NameOfYourTown]@jri-poland.org

Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.  (Montreal, 514-484-0100)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.






Re: Unable to find names on passenger lists #names

rhonda.post@...
 

Sadly, the naturalization applications do not always have the full information. My husband's grandfather Aaron Foreman (later name changed to William Aaron Foreman) applied four times for naturalization and I have all copies but there is no mention of a ship name. It says UNKNOWN. He was 7 years old in April 1904 which is arrival date obtained from naturalization application. It says they traveled from Liverpool to NY. The date of arrival on the 1910 census says 1905. I know he traveled with his mother Libe Katz. She married in June 1905 to Sameul Shenker in Boston, but died before she was naturalized. I have gone page by page on ship manifests on all dates in 1904 to the first half of 1905 looking for a woman with a 7 or 8 year old boy and have not been able to find anything. 


Corrections to post #events

Helen Epstein
 

Helen Epstein willspeak about Franci’s War. A 1974 memoir by franci Rabinek Epstein. Published in 2020 in nine countries. It is nOT about a round trip from the us to Europe but a wartime journey from prague to terrain to Auschwitz to Hamburg to Belsen and back to prague 1939-1945.
 
I will be speKing at harvard’’s czech cafe at 4 pm eastern time.
--


Re: Re: Searching for Leah Noah Da Costa #unitedkingdom

Christine Hills
 

Thank you Martyn, I couldn't find a marriage on the family search, but anything is possible. This is my souce for Leah's name and why I thought the marriage was at Bevis Marks.

Knowles Collection Register of the Spanish & Portuguese Jews Leah //Sex Female MARRIAGES (1) Spouse Solomon /Da Costa Noah/ SOURCES (1) Miriam Rodrigues-Pereira, BA and Chloe Loewe, PhD, The Birth register (1767-1881) of the Spanish & Portuguese Jews' Congregation, London (London, The Spanish and Portuguese jews' Congregation, 1993. FHL book #942.1/L1 K35s pt. 5.)
Regards,
Christine


Seeking information about Hillel Kivovitz and family #belarus

lhcomac@...
 

As a result of my search for information about my paternal grandmother, I'v learned that she had a brother--Hillel Kivovitz--that I never knew about.  According to the 1910 census, he was born around 1880, came to the USA from Derevna in 1898, lived in Bklyn.  His wife's name was Mollie, and they had two children:  Gertrude and Seymour.  Would very much like to make contact with descendants of this family.


Re: Unable to find names on passenger lists #names

rich.meyersburg@...
 

I have tried searching, using Steve Morse's gold form, for the town, and depending its size, one or more letters of the last name.  I haven't found my relative yet, but it may help.


Re: HAR(D)TSTEIN #hungary

Peter Lobbenberg
 

John

This may help - if only a little!

https://soc.genealogy.slavic.narkive.com/k0zyOiEZ/question-balazsvagas-then-blazov-but-now-what

Peter Lobbenberg, London, UK

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