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JewishGen Webinar - June 3, 2020 #JewishGenUpdates #events

Nancy Siegel
 

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Nancy Siegel

Director of Communications

JewishGen.org
Re: Davidic Ancestry in the First Century? #general

YaleZuss@...
 

1000 years is approximately 40 generations.  If in each generation, the average number of children who go on to have their own children is 2, after 40 generations there could be a trillion descendants.  This number is some 10,000 times larger than the likely global population at the time, so it is impossible to rule out David being an ancestors of everyone in the known world.  Note: I am not claiming that he was.


--Yale Zussman   SEND ANY REPLIES BY PRIVATE EMAIL to  <YaleZuss@...>
Re: Looking for Rivesaltes camp arrest record or other documentation for my grandfather Moses GOLDSTEIN #france #holocaust

Lewis, Megan
 

Both the American Friends Service Committee and the Unitarian Universalist Service Committee worked in the camps in south France.  USHMM has these records which are mostly indexed.  If you haven't already, email resource-center@... and ask them to check those 2 specific collections.
 
The Joint also provided relief in these camps and have indices and records on their website archives.jdc.org.
 
--
Megan Lewis  Reference Librarian 
National Institute for Holocaust Documentation
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
Re: Davidic Ancestry in the First Century? #general

Jeff at SG
 

I totally agree with you. In some of my lectures many years ago I had a section with a PowerPoint slide that asked 'who in this room is descended from King David?'
 
I then went on to show the increasing numbers of people needed in each ancestral generation and showed just like you that it soon exceeded the number of people alive on the planet at that time (leave alone just Jews). Of course that was because the same individuals appeared repeatedly in many different places in the ancestral tree.
 
I also presented a study by the Yale statstician Joseph Chang (Advances in Applied Probability, 1999) who calculated that if an individual moved into a certain area of the world and had at least one child, then, 800 years later:
=E2=80=94there was a 20% chance that that individual's line had gone extinct. That is, there was no one living in that part of the world descended from him.
=E2=80=94there was an 80% chance that individual was the direct ancestor of everyone in that part of the world.
 
The final slide in this section then rre-asked the question of who in the room was descended from King David. With my verbal answer, 'probably everyone'.
 
Another interesting point related to me by Bennet Greenspan is that even though there are several families claiming direct male descent from King David (actually from his descendants, the exilarchs in Babylonia) their Y-DNAs did not match. So they couldn't possibly all be direct male descendants.....
 
I always though claiming Davidic descent was silly. Even though the British Royal family also makes that claim.
 
Re: Sharing family tree information #general

Jx. Gx.
 

Carol,

I concur with the majority of people who responded to your question; don't reveal information about living relatives. You would be violating their right to privacy and could potentially exposing them to a scammer.  With respect to decreased ancestors, share only the basics that is already in the public domain. Release only a small amount at a time and wait to see if they reciprocate and the type of info they share. If you can, try to validate their info. While we all want to be helpful to our fellow genealogists, you mustn't forget there is always a bad apply in every group.

Jeffrey Gee
Arizona
Re: "Mother" (But Not "Husband") On a Married Woman's Grave #general

Jx. Gx.
 

Meron,

From your description, I get the same sense you have about him not being "Husband of the Year."  If I were in your shoes I would visit the cemetery office and ask to see its file about this burial. I'd want to know who paid for their burial, what were the circumstances of her death and any other papers or letters  they have. Her death certificate might shed additional clues on the husband and wife relationship.

Jeffrey Gee
Arizona
Searching for DAVIS family Los Angeles #usa

WWW
 

Search for sisters Marjorie Bonnie and Pamela DAVIS born in the 1950s California. Children of Donald DAVIS  (1927 Minneapolis to 1986 California) and Joanne LASKOWITZ DAVIS 1928-1999
Granddaughters of Robert DAVIS and Ruth Shirley LITZ  Their grandfather Robert DAVIS was involved with ANGELES Furniture.  His sister was Rose ZANES married to Harry ZANE of ZANES drugstore in Fairfax. Other brother to Rose DAVIS ZANE and Robert DAVIS was he late pediatrician Dr, David  DAVIS. Roots in Minneapolis  The sisters are the great granddaughters of Max W DAVIS and Mary WOLPERT DAVIS,
Thank you
Bill WOLPERT in MINNEAPOLIS
Searching WOLPERT VOLPERT WOLPER WOLFE GROSSBERG GROSBERG
TRYSKIAI, VIEKSNIAI KEDAINIAI
Heiser #poland #unitedkingdom

Howard Lewis
 

If anybody has a HEISER or two lurking in their family tree, please let me know. The family originated from KEMPEN (now Kepno in Poland) and my great great grandfather, Abraham Heiser, became a dealer in toys, china and Bohemian glass in London. He had eleven surviving children, many of whom settled in US, especially in and around Philadelphia. One of them, REUBEN HEISER, married his niece, ESTHER BITTAN, there in 1899 but the marriage quickly foundered and he then appears to have disappeared without trace. He was born in c 1860 in London and was listed as an upholsterer in Philadelphia trade directories but I have nothing else to go on. Perhaps he changed his name, perhaps he dropped dead, perhaps he was committed to an asylum. Who knows? I am grasping at straws. All insights, ideas and words of wisdom gratefully received.

With all good wishes - Howard Lewis (London)

Also seeking SZCZURYK/SHURICK in WLODAWA, POLAND 
COHEN/GREENBERG in SOUTH AFRICA
Re: Need help to decode abreviations & symbols on Detained Alien Passenger List #usa

David Oseas
 

"RR" means via rail.  See:  https://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/manifests/detained/

Regards,
David Oseas

Researching:
HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York
KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles
KRONOWITH: Hungary > New York
OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles
SCHECHTER/SHEKTER: Kishinev, Bessarabia > New York  
SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania > New York > Los Angeles
STRUL:  Iasi, Romania > Haifa, Israel
WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles
Samovics family from Benedike/Benedikovce/Benedykivtsi #hungary

t s
 

Based on ship manifest records from 1899-1909 and from the Auschwitz-Buchenwald Transport during January 22 & 26, 1945, I discovered that my Samovics relatives were from Benedike (a.k.a. Benedikovce during WW II) in what was then part of Hungary (it is now part of the Ukraine and is referred to as Benedykivtsi). I am looking for advice about how to specifically access records from this town. 
 
Thanks,
Todd Samovitz
Re: Davidic Ancestry in the First Century? #general

Alberto Guido Chester
 

These mathematical issues are my cup of tea.
 
Besides Tom Klein´s comment reproduced below, I suggest the original poster to look in the Jewishgen archives for my 1994 (yes, not a typo) post titled "how many Jews have been in the history of mankind" (and replies) and further mathematical inquiries as posted by A.R. Liboff, Michael Bernet  their respective replies. 
 
A demographic timeline of Jewish history I find very interesting is available at
 
 
Hope this helps
 
Alberto Guido Chester
Buenos Aires, Argentina
 
"at the 2002 iajgs conference (in toronto as it happens), one of the presentations touched on a very similar theme, that within a given population, is it mathematically possible to prove whether 2 individuals were related?  the answer lies in reversing the question, and asking what it would take for them not to share a common ancestor:  for each generation that they are not related, there would have to be 2x as many distinct ancestors.  and fairly quickly, that number, 2^n, would exceed the total number of humans.  assuming about 25 years per generation, 1000 years would be 40 generations; 2^40 is a trillion.  that's a far bigger number than there have ever been humans on earth. (estimated at 100 billion.)
 
the flipside is that assuming that the person's line didn't die out, and assuming that there weren't any special taboos or physical barriers limiting their offspring, it would also mean that after a sufficient number of generations, everyone is descended from any given individual.
 
so either king david's line ended, and no one is, or after 1000 years everyone was his descendant.
 
but what is the purpose of your research?
 
 
....... tom klein, toronto"
Re: Genealogy Research on LIEBERMAN South African Family Member Originally from Belarus #belarus #southafrica

Howard Lewis
 

Jason - I have a copy of 1929 South African Jewish Yearbook which shows an entry for Abraham Liberman, born in UK in 1874, married Dora Buirski in 1899 in SA and had four children. He was listed as a merchant in the business directory and was involved in various communal activities, including as President of Cape Town Hebrew Congregation. 

There was a close connection between these two families. Lieberman & Buirski was a successful firm specialising in wheat and wool and co owned by Hymie Lieberman (who was the first Jewish mayor of Cape Town 1903-07) and Abraham Buirski. 

You did not mention the first name of your great great aunt but I would research marriage and immigration records in SA databases. Also look at business archives there as they may reveal unexpected information about the possible department store. Do let me know if any further queries emerge and I can consult the yearbook!


With all good wishes - Howard Lewis 
Re: Translation of birth records in Russian - family name WROCLAVSKI #translation #russia

Crivorot, Sergio
 

Thank you ryabinkym and @vshklyarnik and Joseph and anybody else that may have replied and that I have not read yet. And Judy Golan.

There is so much info I received in the last few days and more to come, it is amazing. Once the whole story is built, I will send a detailed message for those that have the patience to read. I'm not looking for living relatives at this point, just building the family tree, but who knows where this will lead...

I was not making much progress in this side of the family till I was able to establish the spelling of my grandmother's maiden name. I always heard "Weiss" or "Vaiss'. When I established that it was "Wajc", then the dominos started falling.

The juicy part is that Serla Wroclavski married Gerson Wajc and had four children, one of them Rivka Wajc. Rivka married her mother's brother, Israel Wroclavski, and became Rivka Wroclavski. I think I heard this kind of story several times in this forum.

Rivka and Israel were my grandparents from the maternal side. So my great-grandmother Serla and my grandfather Israel were siblings ! I never met Serla, who died in Treblinka with her husband Gerson in 1942, but I had the happiness of enjoying the company of my grandparents Israel and Rivka for many years. (Israel passed away at the age of 97).

Thank you all again,

Sergio Crivorot
researching
maternal side - WAJC, WROCLAWSKI, WAJNBAUM, LAUFER - Opatow, Poland
paternal side - KRIVOROT, LIPOVETZKI, YANKELEVICH - Bessarabia






  
"Mother" (But Not "Husband") On a Married Woman's Grave #general

Meron Lavie
 

Hi, 

I recently found a photo of a relative's grave, a married woman with a young child, who died in 1910.

The headstone has "BELOVED MOTHER" inscribed above the woman's name, and concludes at the bottom with "MOTHER". The woman was married and the husband was still alive and healthy when she died.

Is there any significance to the fact she is not described as "BELOVED HUSBAND" and "HUSBAND", as well? Am I reading too much into this?

I already have some other strong circumstantial evidence that this guy was not "Husband of the Year" material... 

 

TIA,

Meron LAVIE
Re: Davidic Ancestry in the First Century? #general

Eva Lawrence
 

Tom Klein writes
"either King David's line ended, and no one is, or after 1000 years everyone was his descendant"
The theory that everyone's family branches out indefinitely is  fallacious.  In any population, the number of families available to marry into was restricted by limited
possibilities of travel  and limited communications - far worse historically  than.in modern times.  Custom, too,meant that cousin marriage was usual, particularly in the upper and wealthier classes.   Limited knowledge meant that local records often aren't specific enough to provide reliable proofs,   based on calendars and place-names which differ over time and and may  even be subjective.. However,  only  an estimate of number of descendants is wanted, one could work ones way through the Bible from Samuel onwards and follow the generations as they are enumerated, extrapolating from there.. You don't say whether you are counting only the male lines or also the female lines, which aren't available, of course.Also there was quite a lot of 'marrying out' during the Exile in Babylon,  and those lines, too would be ignored thereafter.
Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.
Re: MyHeritage Offering Free Access to All Military Records May 20-26, 2020 #events

Hank Mishkoff
 

Jan, if you're in the mood to run an experiment (and I'll certainly understand if you're not): Go to your military URL, enter last name Mishkoff as the only search term, check the Exact box (or you'll get too any results), and search. You'll get 19 hits. Scroll down to the one that says  Register of Commissioned and Warrant Officers of the United States Naval Reserve, 1 July 1967

When I click it, they ask for for money or a free trial (depending on my browser and login status). Do get something different? If so, I'll have to keep playing with it. Thanks for your help!

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 3:02 PM Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@...> wrote:
I tried several people- did not sign in to my account so they would not know its me and was able to save the records that I found for the military.  Be certain that you are looking only at military records other records are not included in the free access.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Pubic Records Access Monitoring Committee

On Thursday, May 21, 2020, 12:42:59 PM PDT, Hank Mishkoff <hank@...> wrote:


I'm thinking that it might have something to do with the fact that I used to have a paid account there, so it knows who I am, and it's trying to get me to re-up. I've tried it logged in, logged out, and from browsers where no cookies are set, and the best I'm able to do is to have it ask me to sign up for a 14-day free trial, and I've been through that hassle before. [Sigh.]

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:33 PM Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@...> wrote:
Hank,
I tried the site before I post like I always do and did not have the problem you are experiencing. Are you looking at records not in the featured collection-the offer for free access is only for military records ? If you are that is why you are getting the request for subscribing.
This is the link I posted for military records and the one you should be using

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access monitoring Committee
Re: What Do You Pay a Translator for a 50 Page Document in Pollsh #translation

Carole Shaw
 

Translators usually charge per 1000 words in the source text.  There are no set fees.  You could search for Polish to English translators on a site like ITI in the US and UK (different organisations but same initials) or the CIoL in UK and ask a sample what and how they charge. As an indication, 12 years ago I was charging £80 per 1000 words from Russian.

 

Carole Shaw, London UK
SCHNEIDER: Kamanets Podolsk, Ukraine & Libava/ Libau/Liepaja, Latvia
KLUGMAN, GOLDSCHMID (plus variations), BRAUER: Libava/Libau/Liepaja, Latvia & Johannesburg
ROSENTHAL, ZUSCHNEIDER/CUSZNAJDER: Lublin, Poland
GREENBERG, BRZOZA/BJOZHA, SOBERSKI: Lomza/Nowogrod, Poland
SAMSON, BLIK: Amsterdam, Zandvoort, Holland

WOLFSBERGEN, BOSMAN: Holland

ZANDGRUNDT (plus variations), SANDGROUND: Warsaw, London and beyond

JACOBOVITCH/JACKSON: Staszow, Poland & London

KOSKOVITCH/KENTON: Staszow, Poland & London

 

 
Austria, Vienna: Exit questionnaire & visa documents #austria-czech

Sniderlh
 

Hi,

In searching for the exit trails of my Heilpern Family members, from Vienna, following the Anschluss, I have encountered tall brick walls.  I have heard tell of "exit questionnaires" that were filed with the IKW, and various documents needing to be submitted in order to get visas (ie. -proof of bills all paid, how much money they had,etc.), and of course, the visas themselves.  I've looked, for years, at Family Search, My Heritage, Ancestry, GenTeam & the US Holocaust Museum (online), as well as doing Google searches --- NO luck.  Perhaps, someone out there among the many researchers, has figured out where to find these critical papers.  If so, would you please tell me what you did & where they were hiding?  Here are the people I need/want to find such information for:  Alfred, Gisela & Ernestine Lea Heilpern (brother, sister,mother). I know they all went to England first.  Berta, Kurt (Marianna Zerkowitz Heilpern), & Rosalia Helena Heilpern (sister,brother & wife,mother). I know Berta went to England first, The others went to Buenos Aires, Argentina. These are the families of two brothers: Isak & Adolph Abraham Heilpern. Many thanks, in advance, to those who might have the answers I am seeking!

Sincerely,

Leah Heilpern Snider
Silverdale/USA
Re: MyHeritage Offering Free Access to All Military Records May 20-26, 2020 #events

Jan Meisels Allen
 

I tried several people- did not sign in to my account so they would not know its me and was able to save the records that I found for the military.  Be certain that you are looking only at military records other records are not included in the free access.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Pubic Records Access Monitoring Committee

On Thursday, May 21, 2020, 12:42:59 PM PDT, Hank Mishkoff <hank@...> wrote:


I'm thinking that it might have something to do with the fact that I used to have a paid account there, so it knows who I am, and it's trying to get me to re-up. I've tried it logged in, logged out, and from browsers where no cookies are set, and the best I'm able to do is to have it ask me to sign up for a 14-day free trial, and I've been through that hassle before. [Sigh.]

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:33 PM Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@...> wrote:
Hank,
I tried the site before I post like I always do and did not have the problem you are experiencing. Are you looking at records not in the featured collection-the offer for free access is only for military records ? If you are that is why you are getting the request for subscribing.
This is the link I posted for military records and the one you should be using

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access monitoring Committee
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