Information about Proskovov, Russia requested #russia #general


Does anyone know of any yizkor books or records from Proskovov, Russia  or that area? I am interested in the 
period from 1860-1913. 
Thank you,

Esther Zager Levine   <levinee55@...>

Re: Illegitimate births circa 1840 #germany

David Lewin

Are you certain about "only allowing the oldest son to marry" ?   I know of only the head of the family and the oldest son allowed to earn a living, but never heard of marriage prohibitioj

David Lewin,    London     <david@...>

At 18:55 23/05/2020, peter.cohen@... wrote:
I do not know if it applies to 1840, but there were times when authorities in some German cities attempted to control the Jewish population by only allowing the oldest son to marry. This was largely unsuccessful because the Jews were not terribly concerned about civil marriage, as long as they were religiously married. But, this resulted in a lot of "illegitimate" births because the parents were not permitted to marry in a civil ceremony.

Re: 17th century mixed marriages--Rhineland & Switzerland? #dna

SarahRose Werner

How exactly is "Pennsylvania Dutch" defined in the case of the Pennsylvania Dutch migrant?  Does it mean someone who was supposedly of the Anabaptist faith?  Or does it mean someone who emigrated from the same region of (what later became) Germany as other 18th century emigrants to Pennsylvania, regardless of their religion?

The reason I'm asking is that some of my mother's Protestant German ancestors were from Freinsheim in the Palatinate, der Rheinpfalz.  This was one region from which German-speaking folks emigrated to Pennsylvania in the 1700s.  My mother's ancestors didn't emigrate until the mid-1800s.  There are pretty detailed records for people who left Freinsheim in the mid/late 1800s, and these records include religion.  Lots of Protestants (Reformed and Lutheran), some Catholics and a handful of Jews.  Some of the Jewish names in the emigration records also show up in legal records earlier in the 1800s.

If the Jewish families in Freinsheim in the 1800s are descendants of people who were there in the 1700s, it doesn't seem unlikely that there were also Jews in Freinsheim - and elsewhere in the Pfalz - who emigrated to Pennsylvania in the 1700s.

Note that historically, the Pfalz is known for being a farming region and getting invaded a lot.  It wasn't the richest place to live.  I would guess that many emigrants were motivated by economics rather than by religious persecution.  (In my great-great-grandfather's stepfather's case, political trouble may also have been involved.)  

SarahRose Werner,  Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada   <swerner@...>

Re: Warsaw birth record - why registered 3 months late? #warsaw

Lee Jaffe

I'm curious to know how you know the date of the "actual event," relative to the registered date.  I have yet to encounter anyone from that region and period who reports their date of birth -- day, month or year -- consistently.   My paternal grandfather reported birthdays in May, August and September on various documents filed over decades, but in his later years we always celebrated in December.  What is your source for determining the actual date?  What kind of alternative record do you have?

Lee Jaffe   <leejaffe54@...>

Re: Illegitimate births circa 1840 #germany

Peter Cohen

I do not know if it applies to 1840, but there were times when authorities in some German cities attempted to control the Jewish population by only allowing the oldest son to marry. This was largely unsuccessful because the Jews were not terribly concerned about civil marriage, as long as they were religiously married. But, this resulted in a lot of "illegitimate" births because the parents were not permitted to marry in a civil ceremony.

Re: Looking for Polish Newspaper Archives #poland

Alexander Sharon


You should search on line under "Wiadomości Demniańskie", not "Demiańskie". It will link you to Nukat (catalogue of Polish research libraries archives) at

Hope this help,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB

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Re: Warsaw birth record - house number but no street? #warsaw

Deborah Blinder

Try posting an image of the (entire) document on ViewMate. Perhaps the street name is there but not obvious, and someone more familiar with this type of document might be able to identify it for you.
Deborah Blankenberg Lodi, CA  dtblankenberg@...     JewishGen ID #613395

Re: Warsaw birth record - why registered 3 months late? #warsaw

Deborah Blinder

You don't say where (or when) your great aunt was born. If she was born in a smaller town near Warsaw, someone would have had to travel to Warsaw to register the birth, which may account for the delay.

My grandmother's birth (near Lodz) was not registered until she was 6 or 7 years old. Unlike today in the United States, there apparently was no requirement in Poland in the late 1800s, when my grandmother was born, for civil birth records to be registered immediately.
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Re: Sharing family tree information #general

Carolyn Lea

My cousin  had a woman who approached her (tree on Ancestry).We both had doubts that she was linking to the right person in her tree and within a few weeks she also had thousands of family members - lots of kings and queens, etc. Fortunately, the only help we had given was disproving her link to us - which she left in anyway. 

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Re: First names, Schawelche, Julie #germany #names

Ernst-Peter Winter


I have once again checked the entire book on Hebenshausen.
Both in the original under
image 14, as well as in the duplicate
image 13, the first name of the mother Schewelche, daughter
Caroliene, can be found (in the duplicate both better

Strange is the death entry of the daughter in image 71 in
the original and image 72 in the duplicate. In the original
the death is recorded for April 29, 1841 and for May 2 the
burial of
"Karoline Frank, Tochter der Schewelchen Frank, unehelich,
in einem Alter von 11 Monathen"
"Karoline Frank, daughter of Schewelchen Frank,
illegitimate/out of wedlock, at the age of 11 months",
In the duplicate was originally "Meyersburg", is deleted and
overwritten with "Frank". The crossed out words at age
cannot be deciphered because of the quality of the original.

Also the note under the date of death/burial is different.
"Nachgetragen auf Grund der Kreisamtsacten 2/53 C"
"Supplemented on the basis of the District Office acts 2/53 C"
"Nachgetragen auf der Grund(lage?) der Kreisamts-Verhandlung
2/53 C"
"Supplemented on the basis of the District Office hearing
2/53 C".

I think that the couple Meiersburg - Frank were not married
at that time. Since the surviving Samuel later carries the
family name of the father, a marriage should have taken
place later.

If there are no other original documents from Germany, but
only registrations from the United States, Schewelche Frank
and Julia Frank could be identical - she would then have
taken a more pronounceable name.

Ernst-Peter Winter, Münster, Hesse

Re: Illegitimate births circa 1840 #germany


Thank you very much.I can understand why my ancestors wanted to come to the US.


Re: Illegitimate births circa 1840 #germany

Ernst-Peter Winter

Please note that "unehelich" may mean illegitimate, but it
also means out of wedlock
Sorry, what's the difference between "illegitimate" and "out
of wedlock"?

I understand "unehelich" to mean a child born outside a
legally constituted marriage. This means that the child has
no rights against the father, e.g. it cannot inherit
anything. In the case of a subsequent marriage, the father
must expressly recognise the child as having been produced
by him in order to grant him the same rights as the other
children of this marriage.

Ernst-Peter Winter, Münster, Hesse

Re: Sharing family tree information #general

Jonathan Jacobs

Re: Sharing family tree information #general
From: martyn@...
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 10:07:00 EDT

I have also learned to be cautious. I must say that I do not much like the big Genealogy sites whose view of reliable sources is no greater than quoting their own customers' unsourced trees. 

I think what you are talking about is GENI and possible to a smaller extent, MyHeritage.  I agree.  But, with Ancestry, I immediately (now) ignore the tree hints.  Just look at the documents only.  I only look at the tree hints as a last resort to see as a general rule and see in which direction others went.  But I do try to see if there is any documentation that proves it.

Jonathan Jacobs

MAZEROV family arrival from Europe #russia


Family of Maritz MAZEROV arrived in US in 1891,  Resided in Baton Rouge, LA for short time and moved to St Louis, MO for 6 years before whole family moving to Pittsburgh, PA in 1898.  I have been unable to find arrival in US or country of origin other than Yiddish Russia although family suspects it was Ukraine.

C. Mazerov

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Where is Raisefka USSR #russia #poland

Ellen Barnett Cleary

A friend of mine and I are trying to figure out the name of the place her father was exiled to in WWII.  On a form he filled out for his immigration visa and alien registration, the place was cited as Raisefka, USSR.  Does anyone have any idea what the correct name of this place is?

This is what we do know.  He was from Ivenitz, Belarus.  He was sixteen years old, serving in the Polish Army, when he was.captured by the Russians.  The place he was sent to was in Siberia.  He told his daughter, he could see Alaska from the place he was in. There was an explosion in a coal mine there and he was the only survivor. He was burned and had a scar under his neck from one ear to the other from this experience.  After the explosion a nurse in the Army kept him underground caring for him for 6 months.  She released him into the forest, where he wandered for months.

Can anyone  help us figure out the name of this place?
Ellen Barnett Cleary
San Francisco CA

Re: Percentages of ancestry - my Ashkenazi father seems to be partly of Italian/Greek descent? #dna

SarahRose Werner

Oh, duh, I meant to say it adds up to 50%, i.e., implying 100% for my father.

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 10:52 AM, <swerner@...> wrote:
38% + 9% + 3% adds up to 100%

Re: Warsaw birth record - why registered 3 months late? #warsaw


My grandfather was born in the UK after his father died. His mother failed to register his birth within the 6 months legal time limit. To avoid a fine, she invented a date of birth (26/04/1888) within the limit to register him. This date was about 13 months after his father died, so his 'official' date of birth is at least 4 months after his actual date of birth, which is not known.

Henry Best,
London, UK

Re: Ukrainian birthplace for one great uncle from Northern Lithuania #lithuania #ukraine

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>

"Could Slaviansk, in the southern Ukraine, be the place where the family was exiled to during WW I?"
Anything is possible - my usual reply for most genealogy questions. 
I had a cousin Jankel, who came to the US from the hometown, Augustow, now Poland, then Russia, in 1890.  When I got his naturalization papers - the last ones in Niagara County Hall - he was born in Marseilles.
Southern France is about as far from NE Poland (today) as you can get. But apparently the parents and other kids went to Marseilles in the rebellion / cholera epidemic / famine of the 1860s. But they also went back to Russia, because he came to the US from there.
Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Re: Illegitimate births circa 1840 #germany


In this period the German peasant class couples often had several births out of wedlock during a very long courtship because there was a significant fee to get legally married. Once the couple was able to afford the fee and married, their children became "legitimate". My Catholic German research in this time period had several couples where the Priest would go back and note them as legitimate in the records.

James Castellan
Rose Valley, PA

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