Re: Illegitimate births circa 1840 #germany

Roger Lustig

Regarding births in 1840s Germany that were entered as illegitimate,
Rich Meyersburg asks:

1.  Was this common?

2.  Was this due to a difficulty in obtaining services for either a
religious or civil marriage? (in the first instance)

3. How was this usually treated by the community?

1: Yes. In my experience, between 5 and 8 percent of births were to
unwed mothers.

2: I don't think civil marriage existed in 1840s Hessen-Kassel, which is
where Hebenshausen was located. Among Jews, obtaining services was not a
problem, as any Jewish male could officiate, and in towns without a
rabbi, the schoolteacher or shochet or cantor (often all the same
person) was called upon for such tasks. In other towns, the head of the
congregation would officiate.

3: Unwed Jewish mothers weren't shunned, generally. Some later married,
some did not. Children of unwed mothers were treated like other children.

Roger Lustig

Princeton, NJ

Research coordinator, GerSIG

Re: Hebrew gravestone translation #translation



Hello Geners,


The civil date does indeed convert into the Hebrew year of 5679.  However, the Hebrew letter for the Hebrew year convert into 5379.

Hope this helps, Malka

Re: Warsaw birth record - house number but no street? #warsaw


Are you sure that it is the house number?  It is probably the plot number.  Most Warszawa records contain the plot number and it is rare to see the house number/street name listed on the record.  Information on the plot number and the house number can be found at the following JewishGen webpage

Every plot number has a respective house number and street name.   The house numbers are not always consecutive, so you can not use that is basis  Warszawa records were separated into districts and every plot number can be correlated to a district.   Warszawa was a city and not a town.

Hadassah Lipsius
Kew Gardens Hills, New York

My grandmother- Katie or Gitel Kuznetsov Pevsner or Posner #belarus

Gerry Posner

I reach out to the readers of Jewish Gen who read this message board to see if anyone can provide me with information about my grandmother Katie which she was known by in Winnipeg, Canada or Gitel as she was known in what was then White Russia, now Belarus. She was likely from the shtetl of Mstislavl and likely married there in 1906 to her husband Yerma, later Herman Pevsner, later Posner in Canada. The couple lived in another shtetl then called Propoisk, now Slavgorod. She gave birth in Winnipeg to 7 children between 1907 and 1922 when she died just shy of her 39th birthday. Sadly, not much else is known about her other than the fact that she was the daughter of Joseph or Yosef and that she had thin hair. She might have had a brother Benjamin. It seems like such a tragedy that a woman who was responsible in part for so many people who are alive today and who was mother to 7 kids of her own, should be so forgotten and unknown. The name Kuznetsov was not an uncommon name in that area then or even now, but was less used within the Jewish community.

Re: Ukraine Brick Wall MILLSTEIN #ukraine

Chuck Weinstein

Few records from Kiev have been indexed, although both Familysearch and Alex Krakovsky's Ukraine wiki page have posted extensive record sets for Kiev.  You may have to wait until those records have been transcribed and indexed and that may be a few years.  The JewishGen Ukraine Research Division has downloaded the records from Alex's page, and once the backlog we are already experiencing from his scans slows down a bit, we will ask interested people to contribute to getting these scans indexed.

Chuck Weinstein
Towns Director, JewishGen Ukraine Research Division

Re: Austria, Vienna: Exit questionnaire & visa documents #austria-czech

Daniela Torsh

Recht als Unrecht is a book of names of Jews who filled out forms to detail what possessions they had so the Nazis could confiscate them before they emigrated. Its held in the National Library in Vienna in the Third Disctrict.  The files attached to the anmes are also available in the library. Avotaynu had published the list of names but I don't have the issue number. If you email the editor you may find the list there. Or you can write to the National Library and ask them.
Or ask someone like Frank Feiner or Traude Triebel to go to the library for you and copy the files.
Daniela Torsh

Re: Austria, Vienna: Exit questionnaire & visa documents #austria-czech

Daniela Torsh

Hi Leah,
I found a whole cache of these questionnaires in Jerusalem at the Centre for the history of the Jewish People. I managed to find some relating to my cousin Fritz Lichtblau. He and his mother Marie got support form the IKG to emigrate from Vienna  to New York. I think I also found a questionnaire for my uncle Fritz THORSCH  but I am not sure where I have put them.
As I understand it from an exhibition in Vienna I saw at the Jewish Museum there a lot of the IKG papers and documents were sent to Jerusalem for safekeeping during the Nazi era. The Centre allows researchers to look at their material but they do not do any research. I made a trip to Israel as I wanted to meet some cousins I had found and went to the centre which is on a university campus in Jerusalem and did the research there.
My uncle Fritz THORSCH  aunt and cousin managed to get entry to England first and then to USA. The Ellis Island (in New York) records are available and I found my family arrival  there too. If any of your family got into America they would be in the naturalisation records there. You can also check the American census records online.
Good luck with your search.
Daniela torsh

Looking for a Qualified Editor to join our Jewish Genealogy Research Team #general

Jeffrey Mark Paull

We are looking for a professional editor and researcher to join our Jewish genealogy research team.  This is a voluntary, unpaid part-time position.  You would be stepping in for our wonderful long-standing editor and researcher, who is taking a sabbatical for family medical reasons.

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A New Webinar on Genealogical Research From Gesher Galicia #galicia #events

Steven Turner

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Dr. Steven S. Turner

President, Gesher Galicia


Re: Davidic Ancestry in the First Century? #general

Marcel Apsel

Hi Harvey,


You have a point that Princess Kate is maybe not of Jewish descent.  I have been told some years ago that her maternal grandfather was of Jewish descent.  I found out tonight that her ancestor John Goldsmith lived in the East End.  The information I got years ago that a lot of Jews during the 17th and 18th century moved from Amsterdam (mostly Sefardi) and Northern Germany (mostly Ashkenazi) to London and settled in the East End of London.  During de following decades (mostly after 1750) a lot of Jews assimilated completely and tried to wipe out their Jewish connections.  I cannot proof anything  about John Goldsmiith and I am not looking forward to find a proof, even though he lived in the East End, but I have a personal experience with a colleague of our local Jewish Genealogical Society, whose family name is Jones and this family live in Belgium for almost 150 years, coming from the East End of London, where their ancestors settled about 100 years earlier (about 1750) and before then coming somewhere from Northern Germany.  He has done some research in London himself about 10-15 years ago with no really positive results.  He knows that ancestors of his (about 200 years ago) were called Jonathan and I told him that probably they wanted to Anglicize their name into a British sounding name and as hypothesis I told him that Jones was probably (with no proof) a phonetic adaption In English from Jonathan.  My conclusion is that plenty former Eastenders might be of Jewish descents, because at a certain moment they had a large community.  But again, this is only an assumption and not formal proof.


Marcel Apsel

Antwerpen, Belgium

searching for KAHN descendants in Evansville Indiana #germany #usa


Nathan KAHN, born 1826, son of Marx KAHN , both born in Wawern, Germany,  emigrated to Evansville, Indiana.    He had 3 sons,  Isidor, Julius and Louis  KAHN.
Can anyone offer any information about their descendants?        Many Thanks, 
Suzanne Tarica <suzanne.tarica@...

Re: Sharing family tree information #general

Emily Garber

There have been several comments on the topic of "stealing" family trees. This topic, similar to many we've covered in this forum over the years, is not a new one. I would like to dispel the notion that our family tree research, in and of itself, is protected by copyright laws. Facts cannot be copyrighted. Nor can lists of publicly available information (such as dates of death, birth and marriage). One's hard work, in itself, is not something that can be copyrighted. So, Ancestry was correct: someone copying the information in your online tree is not a copyright issue. It may be an ethical issue (i.e., it would be proper for someone to ask for permission before using the information in it), but it is not a legal one under copyright law.
On the other hand, under today's law in the United States if one were to write a narrative of one's family history in a document or book, whether published or not, those exact words could not legally be taken and used without permission. Similarly, if you took your Gedcom file and created a graphic tree, the image of that tree would be yours and legally protected even if the underlying data was not. The only exception to this would be if you (the author) explicitly stated that your copyright was held under the rules of creative commons (and there are various types of creative commons licenses). Under current law in the USA, new written works and images are protected with or without a copyright symbol.
I am not a lawyer (I would hope a knowledgeable attorney would correct me if what I have said above is incorrect), but there are several lawyers who are also genealogists who have written on this issue. Jim Tanner at the blog Genealogy's Star posted this article in 2011.
Jim is an accomplished genealogist and an attorney.
Judy G. Russell may also have an article about this on her blog the Legal Genealogist. She has written extensively about copyright and also does a nice presentation on the issues involved.
Emily Garber <emilyhgarber@...>
Phoenix, AZ

Re: Jewish Migrants to South America #latinamerica

Mauricio Olsztajn <mauricio.1948@...>

for emigrations to Argentina, search for CEMLA

Searching: Aaron SOLOMON1875-1954 family #usa #russia


Looking for family of Aaron SOLOMON, b. 1875. Immigrated from Kishinev to Brooklyn, NY in 1904. Was married to Siporah LEMPERT in Russia.
Died about 1954 in Brooklyn, New York. Stated on his social security applicationl: father
Gersh SOLOMON and mother Rose Broslorsky. Have passenger list, naturalization papers, and Census, 1910, 1920, & 1940.

Aaron and Siporah had two boys: Herman b. 1908, in Brooklyn, NY-d.1989, in California and Isidore b. 1913, in Brooklyn. I know nothingabout Isidore.

Patricia Solomon  patw6njo@...

Re: Warsaw birth record - house number but no street? #warsaw

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>

This is common in Eastern Europe. Houses are numbered consecutively throughout town, with no street name. It isn't for locating the house; it is for taxing and other civic procedures.
I answered the original poster, privately, but apparently this is a common problem for many.
Sally Bruckheimer  Princeton, NJ

Ukraine Brick Wall MILLSTEIN #ukraine

Shana Millstein

I have been trying to find any documentation/information about my
great-grandfather Shimon MILLSTEIN. He was married to a woman named
Dora who bore him 3 sons: Harris (b. 1885 in Kiev), Joseph (b. 1888,
likely also Kiev), and Julius. Dora died and Shimon remarried Sonia
Ortenberg (bc 1870). Sonia bore him 2 sons: Isidore (born 1897 in
Akkerman, my grandfather) and Howard [or Chaim or Hesse](b.1904). In
Akkerman he was in the grain business, possibly as a grain wholesaler
and grocer. Shimon died in Russia most likely between late 1903 and
1906. My searches on JewishGen, Ancestry, Family Search have yielded
nothing for Shimon or Dora (or various spellings, etc) that fits the
dates and information I do have. Any thoughts about how I might
proceed?  Thanks for any help!

Shana Millstein <shanamillstein@...>
San Francisco California

Translate please from Russian into English (or Hebrew) record number 15 #translation


Re: Where is Raisefka USSR #russia #poland

Krzysztof Witaszek

Hello Ellen,
I would try to search with the person's name using  site:
 which is in Polish. It lists the victims of the Soviet represions among Polish citizens during the war. (Type the last name in the field "nazwisko", try different  spelling ) The results  show also the name  of the place of exile. The sites were usually small barrack villages, formed only for the deported. 
You can try also the Russian site, which lists a wider range of victims :
but it is in Cyrrilic
If you need help, please write.
Krzysztof Witaszek

Re: Hebrew gravestone translation #translation


Go to Jewishgen > Get Started > Tools > Calendar Conversion and enter the civil date from the stone. You will see 5679 is correct.

David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 5/23/2020 4:20 PM, David Barrett wrote:


Looking for FRIEDMANN records in New York: Izsak and Sidonia, with children arriving late 1930s/1940s #usa


I would be extremely grateful for some guidance on looking for individuals in the New York records: arrival from Europe from Vienna (via Paris) after 1938. Parents Izsak (born Furta, Hungary) and Szidonia (born Mako, Hungary) with children Margit, Iren, Kalman, Ernest, maybe Regine and possibly some others. Ancestry doesn't seem to be able to find them.

It would be great to see them on address or voter lists, and then to see when they died, and particularly to find death certificates of Izsak (he may have died 1953) and Sidonia so I can verify their parents' names which I hope would be on the certificates.

Very many thanks for any help with these

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