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Re: Seeking Joseph Weisman, a member of Proskurover in NYC #ukraine

David Cherson
 

A few people out there might remember me when I was more active in all things Proskurov.  That was my mother's hometown and she and her family (miraculously) survived the 1919 pogrom.   I had always heard that there was a Proskurov shul in NYC but that it doesn't exist anymore.  And that it was established in the late 19th turn of the 20th century. Two of my mother's uncles managed to get out before WWI and that way they were able secure affidavits for the rest of the family in the 1920's.

In regards to the name of the town, I have always insisted that we only use Proskurov because as most people know renaming it Khelmnitzky was salt on the wound of the Jewish people.  Bogdan Khelmnitzky was one of history's most destructive anti-semites.  In fact within recent years the existing Jewish community has asked the town government to change the name back to Proskurov but they refused.

David Cherson <dcherson@...>


What happened to Charles Smolenski #unitedkingdom #usa #germany

Sue Coleman
 

My greatgrandmother Sheina/Szeyna/Jane/Jenny Cohen nee Smolenski appears on the 1901 census with her two sisters Chayka/Annie Kalinsky nee Smolenski and Tilly/Matilda/Toby (Taube?) Bernstein nee Smolenski. I would dearly love to know where they came from. They lived in Liverpool and Manchester, England. It is believed they had brothers. The census states Sheina was 17 but her youngest daughter thought she was nearer to 14. On the 1901 census the three sisters state they came from Russia but Chayka's grandson told me it could be Memel which, at the time was East Prussia

Family lore tells of a brother "Charlie" who visited them from USA before WW1. On Ancestry, I found a Charles Smolenski who travelled from New York to Liverpool in 1912 aged 22 and originally from Germany which could seem to fit. However, I can't find his original arrival in USA nor his return after his visit

So what happened to him and where did he come from?
Any suggestions welcome. I have searched and searched for their place of birth but with no joy, hence trying a different angle and looking for "Charlie"

Many thanks in advance

Sue Coleman    <colemanfamilytree@...>

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Woman adopted in northern Michigan seeking Hungarian-Italian father's family #usa #dna

michelle.cosier@...
 

Dear all,

Maybe someone in the Toledo area can help me or other relatives...

I’m doing some family history research for my mom. I read a really nice article on the toledoattic.org website about the Birmingham neighbourhood and it's Hungarian heritage.

My mom was adopted in 1965 in Northern Michigan. She had however a Hungarian-Italian father (we think from Toledo). In 1965 he was 34.  His dad was Italian and his mom Hungarian.  From the paperwork back in 1965 it says he was a college graduate, a successful business man, had remodelled homes and sold them. He had very dark brown curly hair, dark brown eyes and a dark olive complexion.  He was a good swimmer, diver, generally liked sports and he was a good singer.  He had excellent health, worked hard and was enthusiastic. 
 
He would probably be 89 now. 
 
It’s a really interesting story about my mothers search for her father.  She started off looking for him after she found her biological mother (named Grace Schutte, pronounced shoot) about 20 years ago.  Her biological mother was 22 in 1965 when my mother was born and her father and her must have met 1964 prior and we think in Toledo, possibly at a bar.  They both liked to sing and Grace was an entertainer and possibly also a sales clerk.  Grace hasn’t told us much.  It says in the adoption paperwork that they were expected to be married and then he didn’t accept his domestic responsibilities to want to raise their child.  She showed up at her sister's house back in Michigan pregnant and then my mom was adopted. It was a closed adoption.
 
Since she’s started looking she’s done a few DNA tests.  50% came back Jewish heritage… probably from the father’s mother's side but a few generations back because on the adoption paperwork it says her father was Protestant.  I'm assuming they must have converted during or after one of the wars. Anyways my mom's DNA is on my heritage, ancestry and 23andme, if you want to look her up and compare feel free or I have GEDmatch and can use kitnumbers.  Ruth Skop is my mom's name.
 
Maybe you could help me out with some clues…probably a long shot but doesn’t hurt to try.          Looking forward to hearing from anyone!

Sincerely,   Michelle    <michelle.cosier@...>


Re: ID card microfilms reels for Lodz ghetto workers: searching link in Polish State Archives web site #lodz #holocaust

Lewis, Megan
 

The Lodz ghetto workers cards are indexed on Ancestry via the World Memory Project; access is free.  If you find a match there are instructions on how to order a copy from USHMM.  
 
 
 
--
Megan Lewis  Reference Librarian  
NOTE: I am teleworking until further notice
National Institute for Holocaust Documentation
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
www.ushmm.org


Did my husband's family from Galicia have Sephardic roots? #sephardic #galicia

fayhen
 

The story in my husband's family is that, although his grandfather emigrated to the US from Galicia, the family ended up there, circuitously and many generations earlier, as a result of the expulsion from Spain in late 15th century.  On a recent trip to Morocco, he was stopped a number of times and asked (through our guide) if he was a "Fezi;" we understand that meant that he resembled members of the Jewish community in Fez who had fled Spain hundreds of years earlier.  This all sounds somewhat unlikely to me, and my attempts to research his ancestry in Spain have turned up not a hint of confirmation.  But that could be because I don't know how and where to look.  His family name is DYM; they are kohens, and apparently included generations of rabbis (a family characteristic that ended on making landfall in NYC).  He was told, by his father, that the name itself is an ancient acronym of Hebrew letters...dalet-yud-mem...standing for "judge and defender."   Any ideas on how to proceed, for an enthusiastic but compared to you all, fairly incompetent genealogist?

Thanks, Fran   fayhen@...

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Searching for Shymek PLOCKI in Germany born 1920s. How to get started?. #germany

Todd Cohn
 

I am searching for a long lost relative who was last known to be living in Germany.
 
His name is Shymek Plocki.  Any suggestions or directions on how to get started on this search would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,  Todd Cohn <toddcohn@...>
 


Looking for relatives of Applebaum Genedel Arrived Ellis Island Aug., 1901 #russia #usa #poland

JOSEPH GODELNIK
 

 
According to Ellis Islands repository, August 27, 1901, Appelbaum Genendel arrived in the United States with Russian nationality and place of residence - Semiaticy (the exact name of the place is (Seimitycze Poland). I have a very high likelihood that she is the sister/cousin of my grandmother Sheine Sara Godlenik (Appelbaum from home). I would like to thank you for more information about the family of Genendel family.
The name is listed as Ganendel, 14 years old single, arrived in August 1901, Passenger ID 604755060089. Also in September 1898, apparently her sister (although the surname is registered as Appelbin), Esther married, 24 years old, Passenger ID 602940090036 Born in Seimyticze Poland

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Re: Illegitimate births circa 1840 #germany

Frank Schulaner
 

One assumes the civil authorities had their reasons/excuses for the seemingly erratic laws on Jewish marriages that we've been reading about this weekend. I suspect, though, the basic not-always-subconscious rationale was "Just to show you Jews who's boss."

But I wonder about the eldest-son-only rule you mention: Whether the law's intent was practical, to increase the number of the "illegitimate" children of the other sons, children unable legally to inherit their father's property. Giving the government a chance to grab "intestate" property.


Re: Jewish Argentinians #latinamerica

Shelley Mitchell
 

This appeared in a recent posting:
 
"Shelley Mitchell has posted a surprising statement (transcribed below) with which I strongly disagree.
 
There are many studies both academic and non academic which can illustrate readers on the (small) magnitude of Jewish prostitution in 1930's Argentina in relation to the (huge) magnitude of Jewish migration into Argentina. 
 
But generalizing dates as she does (1870 to WWII) and places of origin (see quote) and minimizing the enormous number of Jews who made a new decent life in this country is an oversimplification.
 
She ignores the important books and papers on the subject by saying "it must be studied and understood".
 
If Ms. Mitchell can provide bibliography to prove her points I'd be more than willing to read them.
 
I do feel sorry for the women engaged in prostitution in the 1930's by Jewish pimps and the profusely studied Zvi Migdal delictive ring, but her post is doing a disservice by a crude generalization.
 
Hope this helps to clarify the matter.
 
"One point in history not frequently discussed was the enslavement of Jewish immigrants from 1870 to WWII. They were forced into prostitution, mostly in Argentina. And many of their “owners” were Jewish. It is for that reason alone, many of these unwilling women will be lost to researchers. It’s doubtful that they were buried where their names would be known. Plus many arrived alone from Germany, Austria, and Western Europe. It’s an embarrassing aspect of our history but it must be studied and understood" 
 
 
Alberto Guido Chester
Buenos Aires, Argentina
 
Mr. Chester, and fellow readers.  I am sorry if I've hurt your national pride but facts are facts.  I in no way condemned the entire Jewish population of Argentina during that period.  Large or small, it is still a fact.
There is much literature on the subject.  For example, 
and
https://books.google.com/books?id=tlEKs-FdyOcC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=Argentina+prostitution+jewish+women+from+Germany,+Austria&source=bl&ots=Qq1GkPHv5S&sig=ACfU3U1cpgLg-xR1BxpNLZqaLvx2ozWjxA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi946XP_83pAhW1lHIEHemWC2w4ChDoATACegQIChAB#v=onepage&q=Argentina%20prostitution%20jewish%20women%20from%20Germany%2C%20Austria&f=false
and
 
It means that for some, no matter how much we look, there are lives that have been wiped out.  Cemeteries destroyed, names lost in mass graves, names lost to history.  That was the purpose of my comment.  We should understand that as much work as we do on our ancestry, there will always be spaces that cannot be filled.  
 
I'm sorry that this upset you and maybe others.  But unless you can show me these are false stories, I continue to say that we must recognize things that were done in our culture that weren't always perfect.  Despite our flaws, we still stand proudly and in unity with our people.  
 
 
 

 

--
Shelley Mitchell, NYC    shemit@...
Searching for TERNER, GOLDSCHEIN, KONIGSBERG, SCHONFELD, in Kolomyya; PLATZ, in Delaytn; and TOPF, in Radautz and Kolomea.


Re: Austria, Vienna: Exit questionnaire & visa documents #austria-czech

Lewis, Megan
 

 
Earlier posters are correct- only people who needed IKG's assistance completed questionnaires.
 
 
The Vienna Jewish community records are divided up into 2 main parts:
 
The Vienna component (records still held by the IKG) ~ 1,000,000 pages
The Jerusalem component (records held by the CAHJP) ~1,400,000 pages (these records were sent to Jerusalem in the 1950s and 1960s.)

USHMM has copies of both components on microfilm.
 
The Vienna component has the names index to the questionnaires and about ~2000 forms.  However the bulk of the completed questionnaires are at the CAHJP, ~271,000 pages.  The questionnaires are in 2 sections - ones filed alphabetically and ones filed numerically.  The index is the only way to find a numerical file. 
 
Additionally, archival collections RG-15.109 Records of the Jewish Community of Vienna held at the Emanuel Ringelblum Jewish Historical Institute and RG-11.001M.27 Israelitische Kultusgemeinde, Vienna (Fond 707) from the Russian State Military Archives (Osobyi) records contain emigration related material such as correspondence and lists of Jews who immigrated.
(The records in Warsaw were found abandoned in Poland and sent to the Jewish Historical Archives. The records in Moscow were captured by the Soviet Army. There are multiple collections about Austrian Jews in the Osobyi records- search our catalog at https://collections.ushmm.org.)
 
Currently the only reference work I can do for our Vienna material is for the questionnaires. Send full names and dates of birth to reference@.... Put Vienna emigration questionnaires in the subject line so my colleagues assign the requests to me.  I do not know how long it will take me to fulfill any requests.
 
Megan Lewis  Reference Librarian  
NOTE: I am teleworking until further notice.
National Institute for Holocaust Documentation
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
www.ushmm.org

 


Re: Percentages of ancestry - my Ashkenazi father seems to be partly of Italian/Greek descent? #dna

Louis777@...
 

My DNA about three or four years ago also came back as 14 or 16% Italian/Greek, although as far as I knew I had no ancestors of those extractions (unless it was thousands of years ago!) on either maternal or paternal sides.
The rest of DNA was essentially East European or Ashkenazi Jewish.  Two years later I got an update telling me that my DNA had been re-done and it showed 100% Ashkenazi Jewish.
Likewise my wife's was totally different when redone two years after initially done.  No request on our part to re-do the samples.  Anyway, I lost any trust in any of the DNA promotions for genealogy.

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Is there a way to find out who livved at an addres in Riga in 1922? #latvia

Moshe Schaeffer
 

On an arrival manifest there is a family I believe might be related to
me but more important to me is the family that he left back in Riga is
there a way to find out who lived at an address in Riga in 1922. The
address was Roumanoff Str 23/5 .  Thank you fr your help in this matter.

Moshe Schaeffer,   Jerusalem   <schaefferfamilytree@...>


Re: Nowy Dwow #russia

Peter Lobbenberg
 

Hi Jackie

Following Mark's posting, I checked out Nowy Dwór on English-language Wikipedia.  I'm sorry to say it lists no less than 44 different localities by that name in Poland alone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nowy_Dw%C3%B3r

Peter Lobbenberg 


Re: Seek info about 17th century mixed marriages--Rhineland & Switzerland? Thank you! #germany #france

Eearl2
 

Hi
   Thank you Roger and Corrine for your answers. Definite proof that you can't always depend on family stories !
For the Wilbers family I can pass that on to them and I appreciate having definite confirmation. I have learned a lot
from this group. tempted to stay on just from the fascinating information I am learning.
 Thank you again.

Shirley Wilbers    <Eearl2@...>


ViewMate translation VM82048 possibly from Polish #translation

Carole Brewster
 

I’ve posted an image on ViewMate at the following address.www.jewishgen.org/viewmate VM82048. I’d appreciate any information as to type of document and translation. I think its written in Polish.         Reply only via ViewMate

Carole Brewster, Delray Beach,FL


GRUSZECKA, Anna S. 1911 marriage in Vienna #austria-czech

Our Jewish Family History Research
 

Hello all.
I would appreciate your assistance please.
I wish to locate information for Anna S. GRUSZECKA. I do not know anything about her or her GRUSZECKA roots. I am surprised to find GRUSZECKA/GRUSZECKI in Vienna, Austria. The name has been focused  in Poland. 
 
Many thanks in advance for your much appreciated help.
 
Be well,
Jacquie. 
 
Jacqueline Gruszecki,  Toronto,Ontario,Canada   <ourhistory2015@...>

Researching GRUSZECKA, GRUSZECKI various areas of Poland including Warszawa


Re: Jewish Argentinians #latinamerica

Molly Staub
 

For a thorough look at this dark period of our history, read “The Third Daughter.”

Molly Arost Staub
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Re: Illegitimate births circa 1906 #galicia

Mark Halpern
 

Hi Sharon:

In Galicia, religious vs civil marriages is a very important issue that relates to the legitimacy of offspring from those marriages. If you search the JewishGen group archives at https://groups.jewishgen.org/g/main/topics for "Galicia legitimacy," you will find many posts on this subject. 

Bottom line is there was no shame to have an illegitimate birth unless that birth was completely out of wedlock. I have never seen a birth record where it states the mother was unwed.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland 
Conshohocken, PA

 

On 2020-05-24 2:47 pm, Sharon Taylor via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:

I am researching an illegitimate birth in the Stanislawow region of Galicia in 1906. The story in the family was that the mother was later sent to America because of the shame, but the child was a loved and accepted part of the family. I'm wondering if anyone out there has any research or documentation (memoirs/Yizkor books) that deal with this issue in Galicia.

Sharon Taylor   Philadelphia, PA    stay9045@...

Researching
NEMETH, KASTENBAUM, WEISNER, FLEISIG in Stanislawow and L'viv regions of Galicia    FISHER, RAPPAPORT in Lithuania


Re: Nowy Dwow #russia

Mark Halpern
 

Hi Jackie:

There is a Nowy Dwor in northeastern Poland near the Belarus border, NE of Bialystok and SW of Grodno. See https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-519062.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland

 

On 2020-05-24 8:46 am, Jackie Wasserstein via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:


I'm doing some research for a friend.  On the passenger manifest her grandmother is listed as coming from Nowy Dwow, Russia.  I tried the Jewishgen Gazeteer.  It couldn't find this town.  Anyone know where it was located?
 
Thanks so much.
 
Jackie Wasserstein


ViewMate translation request - Hungarian to English #translation

Roberta Solit
 

I’ve submitted comments written in Hungarian that appear in on a birth document. A translation of would be appreciated.
 
The link to  Viewmate #VM82054 is
 
 
Thank you, for your reply via the ViewMate system.  

Roberta Solit
 

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