Re: Ship Manifest codes #usa


Stephen, David, et al:

Pardon me if this is a duplicate. I sent it previously but have not seen
it appear.

Thank you all for your replies. When I first read David's reply, it was
obvious that the total on p. 3 of the manifest was the breakdown by sex
of all the passengers on those three pages. That was no mystery. I was
not able to align the individual notations with any category, even with
family groups. These were steerage passengers, so the groups were not in
separate cabins. For my person of interest, on line 8 of p. 1, I know he
traveled alone, and that he was later naturalized in the Southern
District of NY in 1903, which gave weight to the possibility that the
notation represented a naturalization code. The code "1-3", however,
doesn't align with it representing the number of people from Russia --
unless one stretched it to mean that he was 1 + 3 more from Russia.
(There were 4 passengers from Russia on that page and on the list as a
whole.) Thanks to Stephen for the Danko blog links, and to everyone who
weighed in.

Judith Lipmanson

This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks #poland

Bruce Drake

The “Ancient Tombstone According to Legend” is an origin story of the founding of a Jewish settlement for Jews where, once, only one Jew had lived in solitude “like a juniper in the wilderness.” The legend is told by a speaker who heard it from his father who “received it by word of mouth from his father's grandfather, something that had been passed on verbally for several generations” about a time hundreds of years earlier “there was no sign or trace of this place on which our town sits.” It’s unclear which town it is since the chapter comes from the Yizkor book of Sosniwiec and the surrounding region in Zaglebie in Poland, and it appears in the section on Zamblegian settlements. 

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD

Re: Father and son with same given name.i have xome across #belarus #poland #general

Linda Lang

Many people in my Broude family (Brodie) from the Grodno region were named for living relatives. The only conclusion I could draw was they lived for many generations on a tiny farm. There was no Rabbi or shul within walking distance so it may just have been done out of ignorance. When my grandparents moved to Canada my grandfather wanted to give me my mother's name and the Rabbi was horrified and told him he could not do that. Maybe this will help you.

Renseignements sur Nilou ( Daniel ) Sternberg né en Roumanie vers 1898-1899 mais demeurant à Paris dans les années 1940/ information on Daniel Sternberg Romania/Paris #france #romania

Aline Petzold

I am looking for information regarding my father's oldest brother, Daniel, known as "Nilou" Sternberg.  He was possibly born in Botosani in 1898 or 1899 and died in 1955.  I know that he married a French girl, Gratienne Levalois and that they had onechild, a girl.  That's all I know. Any information would be helpful.

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/Cantorovich/Kantorovich/Kantorowicz/Kantorovitch family from Derevnoe/Derewno/Derevnaia (Oshmiany district Vilno Gubernia, /#belarus #russia #lithuania #poland


Dear friends,
I'm searching for any information about Cantorovich/Kantorovich/Kantorowicz/Kantorovitch family from Derevnoe/Derewno/Derevnaia (Oshmiany district Vilno Gubernia, Russian Empire; interwar Poland; nowadays Belarus). Unfortunately the local archive was lost.
My grandfather, Boris Cantorovich, was born approximately in 1908 in Derewno to Peyshakh and Peshe and had 2 (at least) brothers: Aharon and Genekh (Khanokh). All their relatives left to the US and Eretz Israel prior to the WWI. That's all I know.
I would be grateful for any information.
Kind regards,
Dr. Nati Cantorovich
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#names #unitedkingdom #ukraine #names #names #unitedkingdom #ukraine

john robson <rieverjohn@...>

Hopefully I've got the gist of replying.

Thanks for your reply Jill, my idea was that if I could build up a list of this family, names dates etc and search for
such a group in Bratslav, I may have struck lucky.

Jill Whitehead
May 28  

The answer is Yes and No. The migrant may have anglicised their name - in my family's cases Brin became Brown, Serwianski became Servian, and Guttenberg became Graham. However a significant number reverted back to their patronymic name. So again in my family's case, Ceglarski became Abraham and then Abrams after my great grandfather Nathan's father's first name Abraham/Abram.Yet others used names that related to occupation or bore no apparent relationship to anything.

Re: help with Romanian nicknames #names #romania


I han an uncle nicknamed Dutu, his real name was David.
Fanciu sounds to me like a nickname to Fania.

Question re Polish parents' anglicised names on 1896 UK Naturalization Certificate #unitedkingdom #poland

Barry Clarke

I have two 1896 UK Naturalization Certificates of Polish ancestors who were naturalized with anglicised names only. That I understand. What throws me is that these documents that require also parents' first names, in both cases give those first names in anglicised versions too. While I cannot be certain, I am nevertheless fairly confident that neither set of parents left Poland. Do I have to be wrong or could I be right?? In other words, was it usual to anglicise all parents' names on these documents, regardless of whether they were in the UK or not?

Barry Clarke
British living in Sarasota, Florida

Re: Earliest Use of Surnames in Romania? #names #romania

Valentin Lupu

Hi Joe,
 Bukovina in the18-19 centuries was into Austro-Hungarian Empire. Surnames in the Empire were required by law since 1787, for tax purposes.
See this paragraph from YIVO Encyclopedia - Names and Naming:

"The great majority of European Jews took their surnames from the end of the eighteenth century to the middle of the nineteenth, when state legislation required the adoption of hereditary names. The first law was promulgated in 1787 by Emperor Joseph II and was applied to all Jews of the Habsburg Empire, most of whom lived in Galicia. Jews were free to choose their names subject to approval of Austrian officials. If a Jew had not chosen a name, one was assigned. The choice depended only on an Austrian official’s imagination."

Valentin Lupu


Barry Clarke

Simply put, does anyone know if STEIGLITZ/STIEGLITZ, while sounding more like a German name from Galicia, was also a name that could have come from Russian Poland? Or would it have had to have been SZTYGLIC/SZTYGLITZ if from Russian Poland?

The background is that this man was my great-grandmother's husband. She was from Jedwabne or somewhere in Russian Poland. He apparently died while serving in the army 1880 to 1883 around the time my grandfather was born. The problem is we don't know even his first name. My father spelt the surname STEIGLITZ or STIEGLITZ but I have no way of knowing if he knew the spelling or just guessed at it. My father thought that his father (the son of S....z) was born in or near Krakow but a genealogist tells me that is not likely if the family S....z married into was from Russian Poland. The same genealogist, therefore, is of the view that the name was SZTYGLIC/SZTYGLITZ. The name was never used after the early 1880s death as my great-grandmother emigrated to the UK and took her anglicised maiden name CLARKE which was the name my grandfather went by. So, what I want to know is if the German-spelt name could easily have been correct if he was nevertheless Russian Polish, or would he most definitely have had the Polish spelling if he was from Russian Poland. Thank you!

Re: Seeking Moritz and Louise KREMER Cairo circa 1910 #sephardic

Jeff at SG

Accessing records in Cairo is essentially impossible. Records of the Jewish community are in the custody of the Jewish community of Cairo (a handful of elderly widows) under control of the government. Access to the records is not allowed even if you visit Cairo in person. Multiple attempts over decades to copy them for preservation have all been stymied.

I have personal knowledge of a Giselle Kramer, born 7 February 1920 in Cairo who married my uncle, Samuel Malka. They are both deceased but some of their children are still alive in the US. This may well be the same Kramer family.

There were 5,000 Ashkenazi Jews living in Cairo prior to being thrown out of Egypt. Most have settled in Israel, the US, and

Jeff Malka

Wasserzug #germany #poland

David Lewin

Has anyone here researched the name WASSERZUG please?

I would like to learn about Lucyna Wasserzug born 10 Dec 1886 in
Plock murdered in Holocaust

David Lewin
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Re: ISAACS family and CHANSFORD in London #unitedkingdom #names


Hello Christine

My family, Michael Isaacs was married in Hambro Synagogue on 15 Nov 1826 to  Bluma Levy:  his name was translated as Sheinsfort  (but could have been Chansford)   Whilst my grandmother thought we were related to Rufas Isaacs family, such was not the case.  Both Rufas and my family were wholesale fruiterers and lived at 11 Lamb Street. Spitalfields in 1826 and later in Covent Garden area.  Both he and his wife were fruit salesman/woman.. He died in 1855.

If you think this is the same family as yours I would be pleased to hear.  I dont have any Elias or Solomon, but a later Isaacs did marry a Solomons in 1899.


John Shaw
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Transcript Please #germany

Reuven Stern

Dear fellow Gersigers,
Although I can speak, write and read in German, reading cursive is a big problem that stops  the progress in my research
I have uploaded two documents to ViewMate.
I shall appreciate Transcripts to these documents. Translation is not needed.
Reuven Stern, Kfar Vradim Israel
Researching families Behr, Stern, Markovits, Lebovits, Suessholz, Joseph
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Re: ROZENBERG in Leeuwarden ; Friesland ; Netherlands #general

Pieter Hoekstra

Look also at :-
Pieter Hoekstra  <sold@...>

Re: ISERSTEIN FAMILY #austria-czech

Johann Hammer

In Vienna I found only one reference to Lili Iserstein, Rudolph's divorced wife, from 1947.

Florence Marmor #usa #general

David Lewin

I am searching for people who with Flerence Marmor collected the
information and data about Mokkom Sholomm Bayside, Acacia

David Lewin

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Seeking Moritz and Louise KREMER Cairo circa 1910 #sephardic


Moritz Kremer.Jeweller in Ein Chems Cairo early 1900's.Wife Louise,born in, then Constantinople.Maiden Name possibly Bernstein.
An uncle named Ignatz also resident in Cairo.
6 children,one named emmanuel.
Would love to hear from anyone who has any knowledge of these distant relatives of mine,as it could help in breaking down a brick wall
I am up against.
Also does anyone have any knowledge of how to access Cairo records of the Jewish community from this period?

Robin Syngen Nardir4@...

Earliest Use of Surnames in Romania? #names #romania


Does anyone have a sense of when surnames came into use in the area that's modern day Romania?

I am researching my grandmother's unusual maiden name -- Holdengraber -- and I have used the recent quarantine time to look for connections among the roughly 300 records containing that name in the JewishGen records. The earliest all seem to come from the same narrow region, what's today Suceava County, Romania and was then the southern part of Bukovina. I have long assumed that all the Holdengrabers shared a common ancestor, but given the number of them already by the 1860s, I imagine that ancestor would have to have assumed the surname as early as the 1760-80s.

I was under the impression that Jews didn't assume surnames until the Napoleonic reforms, though. Is it possible this ancestor would have done so three or four decades earlier?

Thanks for whatever information anyone can share. I'd be happy to compare notes with anyone who's interested. My deep dive into the records from these 3-4 towns is showing interesting ways that families moved from one nearby place to another over generations.

-- Joe Kraus   <krausj2@...>

Father and son with same given name.i have xome across #belarus #poland #general


Hi all,

I have come across two instances now of a son having the same given name as the father. In both cases I do not know when the father passed. One is from present day Belarus from the late 19th century, the other is from present day Poland from the early 19th century. I’m assuming that the father passed away before the child was born, but has anyone else ever heard of another possible reason? 

Thank you,
Steve Buzil

BUZILA and KILYAN from present day Moldova  
GRUBER and FEINGOLD from present day Ukraine
PORTNOY, GERSHON and OFSAIOF/OVSAIOVICH from present day Lithuania
MNUSHKIN and KOLVARACHIK from present day Belarus
EISENSTEIN and ZALIO from present day Romania