Re: Earliest Use of Surnames in Romania? #names #romania

Valentin Lupu

Hi Joe,
 Bukovina in the18-19 centuries was into Austro-Hungarian Empire. Surnames in the Empire were required by law since 1787, for tax purposes.
See this paragraph from YIVO Encyclopedia - Names and Naming:

"The great majority of European Jews took their surnames from the end of the eighteenth century to the middle of the nineteenth, when state legislation required the adoption of hereditary names. The first law was promulgated in 1787 by Emperor Joseph II and was applied to all Jews of the Habsburg Empire, most of whom lived in Galicia. Jews were free to choose their names subject to approval of Austrian officials. If a Jew had not chosen a name, one was assigned. The choice depended only on an Austrian official’s imagination."

Valentin Lupu


Barry Clarke

Simply put, does anyone know if STEIGLITZ/STIEGLITZ, while sounding more like a German name from Galicia, was also a name that could have come from Russian Poland? Or would it have had to have been SZTYGLIC/SZTYGLITZ if from Russian Poland?

The background is that this man was my great-grandmother's husband. She was from Jedwabne or somewhere in Russian Poland. He apparently died while serving in the army 1880 to 1883 around the time my grandfather was born. The problem is we don't know even his first name. My father spelt the surname STEIGLITZ or STIEGLITZ but I have no way of knowing if he knew the spelling or just guessed at it. My father thought that his father (the son of S....z) was born in or near Krakow but a genealogist tells me that is not likely if the family S....z married into was from Russian Poland. The same genealogist, therefore, is of the view that the name was SZTYGLIC/SZTYGLITZ. The name was never used after the early 1880s death as my great-grandmother emigrated to the UK and took her anglicised maiden name CLARKE which was the name my grandfather went by. So, what I want to know is if the German-spelt name could easily have been correct if he was nevertheless Russian Polish, or would he most definitely have had the Polish spelling if he was from Russian Poland. Thank you!

Re: Seeking Moritz and Louise KREMER Cairo circa 1910 #sephardic

Jeff at SG

Accessing records in Cairo is essentially impossible. Records of the Jewish community are in the custody of the Jewish community of Cairo (a handful of elderly widows) under control of the government. Access to the records is not allowed even if you visit Cairo in person. Multiple attempts over decades to copy them for preservation have all been stymied.

I have personal knowledge of a Giselle Kramer, born 7 February 1920 in Cairo who married my uncle, Samuel Malka. They are both deceased but some of their children are still alive in the US. This may well be the same Kramer family.

There were 5,000 Ashkenazi Jews living in Cairo prior to being thrown out of Egypt. Most have settled in Israel, the US, and

Jeff Malka

Wasserzug #germany #poland

David Lewin

Has anyone here researched the name WASSERZUG please?

I would like to learn about Lucyna Wasserzug born 10 Dec 1886 in
Plock murdered in Holocaust

David Lewin
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Re: ISAACS family and CHANSFORD in London #unitedkingdom #names


Hello Christine

My family, Michael Isaacs was married in Hambro Synagogue on 15 Nov 1826 to  Bluma Levy:  his name was translated as Sheinsfort  (but could have been Chansford)   Whilst my grandmother thought we were related to Rufas Isaacs family, such was not the case.  Both Rufas and my family were wholesale fruiterers and lived at 11 Lamb Street. Spitalfields in 1826 and later in Covent Garden area.  Both he and his wife were fruit salesman/woman.. He died in 1855.

If you think this is the same family as yours I would be pleased to hear.  I dont have any Elias or Solomon, but a later Isaacs did marry a Solomons in 1899.


John Shaw
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Transcript Please #germany

Reuven Stern

Dear fellow Gersigers,
Although I can speak, write and read in German, reading cursive is a big problem that stops  the progress in my research
I have uploaded two documents to ViewMate.
I shall appreciate Transcripts to these documents. Translation is not needed.
Reuven Stern, Kfar Vradim Israel
Researching families Behr, Stern, Markovits, Lebovits, Suessholz, Joseph
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Re: ROZENBERG in Leeuwarden ; Friesland ; Netherlands #general

Pieter Hoekstra

Look also at :-
Pieter Hoekstra  <sold@...>

Re: ISERSTEIN FAMILY #austria-czech

Johann Hammer

In Vienna I found only one reference to Lili Iserstein, Rudolph's divorced wife, from 1947.

Florence Marmor #usa #general

David Lewin

I am searching for people who with Flerence Marmor collected the
information and data about Mokkom Sholomm Bayside, Acacia

David Lewin

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Seeking Moritz and Louise KREMER Cairo circa 1910 #sephardic


Moritz Kremer.Jeweller in Ein Chems Cairo early 1900's.Wife Louise,born in, then Constantinople.Maiden Name possibly Bernstein.
An uncle named Ignatz also resident in Cairo.
6 children,one named emmanuel.
Would love to hear from anyone who has any knowledge of these distant relatives of mine,as it could help in breaking down a brick wall
I am up against.
Also does anyone have any knowledge of how to access Cairo records of the Jewish community from this period?

Robin Syngen Nardir4@...

Earliest Use of Surnames in Romania? #names #romania


Does anyone have a sense of when surnames came into use in the area that's modern day Romania?

I am researching my grandmother's unusual maiden name -- Holdengraber -- and I have used the recent quarantine time to look for connections among the roughly 300 records containing that name in the JewishGen records. The earliest all seem to come from the same narrow region, what's today Suceava County, Romania and was then the southern part of Bukovina. I have long assumed that all the Holdengrabers shared a common ancestor, but given the number of them already by the 1860s, I imagine that ancestor would have to have assumed the surname as early as the 1760-80s.

I was under the impression that Jews didn't assume surnames until the Napoleonic reforms, though. Is it possible this ancestor would have done so three or four decades earlier?

Thanks for whatever information anyone can share. I'd be happy to compare notes with anyone who's interested. My deep dive into the records from these 3-4 towns is showing interesting ways that families moved from one nearby place to another over generations.

-- Joe Kraus   <krausj2@...>

Father and son with same given name.i have xome across #belarus #poland #general


Hi all,

I have come across two instances now of a son having the same given name as the father. In both cases I do not know when the father passed. One is from present day Belarus from the late 19th century, the other is from present day Poland from the early 19th century. I’m assuming that the father passed away before the child was born, but has anyone else ever heard of another possible reason? 

Thank you,
Steve Buzil

BUZILA and KILYAN from present day Moldova  
GRUBER and FEINGOLD from present day Ukraine
PORTNOY, GERSHON and OFSAIOF/OVSAIOVICH from present day Lithuania
MNUSHKIN and KOLVARACHIK from present day Belarus
EISENSTEIN and ZALIO from present day Romania

Seeking descendants of Shlomo/Zalman FRIEDMAN and Sarah COHEN #russia #belarus

Judy Kaufman <judykaufman7@...>

I can't find any information about where my great grandmother Anna Friedman (1873-1938) came from or who her siblings were.  She emigrated to NYC but I can't figure out which of the many Anna Friedmans on ship logs she might be. She married Jacob Rosenblum from Brest in NY in 1890.  On census data her birthplace is always just Russia.  Marriage, death certificates, etc. name her parents as Solomon/Shlomo/Zalman Friedman and Sarah Cohen.  I have found 3 other Friedmans (William, Frieda, Line) living in NYC around the same time who have parents with those same names, but the names are so common I can't be sure they are the same parents.  And DNA matching has so far not brought me anyone with information. 

Judy Leiderman Kaufman
Irvine, CA

LEIDERMAN (Khashchuvatye)

WEINSTEIN (Sokolow-Malopolski)

RINENHEIM (Sokolow-Malopolski)

RASKIN (Chernihiv)


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Subj: ViewMate translation request - Polish #general


Good evening:

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.

Gilda Oldham

Boca Raton, FL

Re: 1902 NYC Orphanage #general #usa


The records for the Hebrew National Orphan Home are at the American Jewish Historical Society / Center for Jewish History in NYC.

David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 5/28/2020 12:37 PM, Diane Jacobs wrote:



If I recall correctly, there is a NYC Jewish Orphanage records on the Center for Jewish History website.


There I was able to find the names of 2 of my mom's cousins who were there in 1897 after there father

died.   The Center for Jewish History did send me their admission records page.


I am not sure how they do this today as this was about 18 years when I did this.


But hope it helps.  I knew they were in an orphanage but didn't know where so just took a chance to

look it up when I found their website.


Diane Jacobs

Somerset, NJ


Subject: [] Child, FEIGE/GUSSIE lost in Transit approx 1902...arriving into New York alone


Feige aka Gussie [MATUS/MARCUS] was lost in transit  and arrived in New York in abt 1902, alone.  The story has her being 4 years old at the time but she may have been as old as 8…b 1894-1897 Panevesz Lithuania

She may not have been able to convey her last name properly when she arrived.  She was transported to an orphanage. ….? 

Somehow she eventually found family, last name Marcus and by 1925 was married to NATHANSON….she was always known as Gussie in her later life

Any suggestions on how to find Gussie’s earlier days in the orphanage or passage to New York - are most welcome

Thanks   Stay safe and well    Marcella Shames   <marcellash@...>


Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Looking for descendants of Klara Kramer SORKIN, probably in Israel #ukraine #israel #usa

Joseph Walder

Klara SORKIN née KRAMER was born in Ukraine in 1923 and died in Israel in 2014. Her parents were Chava Moisevna MURAKHOVSKAYA (1884-1941) and Shaul (Sheilyk) KRAMER (1886-1941). Chava was a sister of my maternal grandmother, Yenta Ester (1897-1985), who came to the United States in 1923. Chava and Yenta’s parents were Yankel Moshe Avrumov MURAKHOVSKY and Krenya LUCHANSKAYA. The MURAKHOVSKY and LUCHANSKY families lived primarily in Tarashcha and Koshevata.

I am hoping to find descendants of Klara SORKIN in Israel.

I can be reached at 503-715-6254 in the United States or at jscottwalder@....



Joseph Walder

Portland, Oregon, USA
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Re: Moravian census (was Re: Familianten book from Trest, Moravia) #austria-czech #announcements

I have been using the Genteam web site for many years. I have found a wealth of  vital documents and family information for our family in Nickolsburg
and Vienna.  The marriage information includes the Temple, as well as other information.  I join you in highly recommending
this web site to anyone who might have family from a German speaking area.

Avivah R Z Pinski

Re: 2 Questions about my great aunt's entry on a passenger manifest #general

Ryan Cramer

Thank you all for your incredible insight. This was very helpful.

Ryan Cramer

Re: 1902 NYC Orphanage #general #usa

Judy Floam

One of the biggest orphanages in NYC at the turn of the century was the Hebrew Orphan Asylum (called the HOA).  My mother and aunt were there for awhile.  I got their admission and discharge records from the American Jewish Historical Society.


Judy Floam


Re: Looking for Phone books of Poland, Lithuania, Lativa and Belarus from 1918 #russia #poland #belarus #lithuania #latvia

Jenny Schwartzberg

Dear Patrice,
A lot of these phone books are searchable at:
A list of the directories included are at:
Jenny Schwartzberg
Chicago, IL, USA


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