Re: Aide généalogie juive polonaise / Does a name suffice to prove Jewish ancestry?) #france #poland #names


Good morning.

My name is Rollie Stamps, email curtstamps@...

You and I are in the same situation. I am an American, raised as a Christian, but also felt an affinity towards the Jewish people. Neither side of my family knew anything about our ancestors past about 4 generations ago. I worked with several DNA companies with a varied degree of success as the first failed to report my last generation and the second did. My ancestors were Jews and I didn't know anything about them. I have since worked hard to make a family tree for both sides of my family and have been very successful with the information. Once I started getting names, I bounced them off of the database for to verify if their names were on record. I was very impressed with the findings. A word of caution, however, when using databases, I have noticed some minor errors, so always try to use more than one data base and show credit for the information you get. That will allow you to find the information in the future and also prove your relationship to them when needed. Also, get your DNA tested. That way your findings can't be argued. Autosomal DNA testing gives you the ethnic groups of both sides of your family, but only going back about 4 to 6 generations, so about 150 years give or take. Women can have their female lineage tested using mtDNA. This is only for women and tests the womens side only (Daughter-Mother, etc.). For men, the test is yDNA. It tests only the males side (Son-Father, etc.).
I was thinking about your statement "does a name prove jewish ancestry"? I believe it can, if you also use available scientific testing with your trees. In addition, verify the names are not sound a-likes. Not all people with the same last name are related. For that matter, not all names that people think are Jewish sounding are in fact from a Jewish family. The fact that you can connect yourself to another person through lineage with DNA and/or use of one or more databases or printed media is likely sufficient, depending on the sources you use. What you might be asking is whether or not this connection makes you a "Jew". If that is your question, than no it does not. I have spoken to a few rabbis and understand this better than I did when I started looking. I am not qualified to go deeper into that explanation other than this, if you are like me, a Christian, than we do not worship through Judaism and are not considered to be Jews. I believe the term for us is "seed of Israel", if you indeed are of Jewish lineage. Personally, I take pride in my Jewish heritage and support Israel. My parents raised me this way.
You asked about Catholic registers. I am not Catholic, but have been able to connect the dots on our history and a possible explanation why our ancestors stopped worshiping as Jews. Persecution by the Catholic church, called "pogroms". I have found several members of my tree were listed as Catholic clergy with an assortment of positions, but none the less counted as Jews. One was even Sainted in Belgium as a Beer maker. As Europe became less friendly to the Jewish population, it appears more immigrated here to the United States. I think it is amazing the lengths that people will go to in order to save their lives and that of their families. In the cases of my Catholic relations, I can only presume they were either hiding deep or their family had stopped worshiping through Judaism so long ago that they didn't realize their own heritage. I personally believe it was both. 
If you have not had your DNA tested, try for your autosomal test.I do not work for them, but they were the second DNA company that tested me. They have their own data and are based in Israel. In addition, they show their test results down to 1% of ethnic rendering unlike the others. If you still don't find anything but don't want to give up, don't. You might find it after all. I hope this helped and let me know if you need any clarification. 

Rollie Stamps

BAMBERGERs in mid-19th century Hartford #germany #usa

Neil Kominsky

I have significant indications of a relationship between two sets of BAMBERGERs living in Hartford, Connecticut around 1850. 
One family originates with David BAMBERGER, b. Bavaria 1780, d. New York City, 1866. The 1855 Hartford City Directory has him in the clothing business on Main Street.   His son is Leopold BAMBERGER, b. Rheinpfalz, Bavaria 6/27/1827, d. San Francisco 8/21/1902.  Leopold's wife was Theresa LITTAUER.  Their children, both born in Hartford, were Hulda BAMBERGER, b.10/12/1850, married Marcus J. Waldheimer of New York, d. Los Angeles, 7/18/1925, and Ira Leo BAMBERGER, b.1/21/1852, who went on to become a prominent attorney in New York, d.12/28/1919.
The other family is Hannah BAMBERGER FOX, b. in Bavaria 5/24/1814, d. Hartford 12/12/1875. Hannah was the wife of Gerson FOX (born FUCHS), (1811-1880). He was the proprietor of a fancy goods shop on Main Street, which his descendants grew into G. Fox & Co, Hartford's major department store.
Besides the connections of name and locale, I have found a New York business document from the 1870s which groups as corespondents in a lawsuit Ira Leo BAMBERGER, Jacob WALDHEIMER, who was Hulda's father-in-law, and Gerson Fox, who would have no reason to be involved in a NY business situation except for a possible connections with the BAMBERGERs, who, by then, had moved to New York.
I have been absolutely unable to document Hannah BAMBERER FOX's family of origin, which I think is the key to the situation.
Any help on this stone wall would be much appreciated.
Neil Kominsky
Brookline, MA

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Re: /Cantorovich/Kantorovich/Kantorowicz/Kantorovitch family from Derevnoe/Derewno/Derevnaia/ (Oshmiany district Vilno Gubernia, /#belarus

Carol Waggoner

My Great great grandmother may have also been a Kantorvich from Belarus. All I know so far is that she married in Belarus to Aron Zagorsky.


Carol Waggoner








Re: Anglicised surname #ukraine #unitedkingdom #names


It's up to the individual what name to use.  In the US, one can use any name one wishes, as long as no fraud is intended or perpetrated.  My paternal grandfather's last name was Slonimsky, so it was easy for his sons to shorten it to Sloan.  On the other hand, I know another Sloan family whose original last name was Solomon.  At other times, only spelling changes, perhaps with a slight change to pronunciation.  So, for example, my maternal grandparents' last name Zlates became Slatas.  If you can pin down a range of times when your wife's ancestor came to England and with whom he traveled, you may be able to find him on a passenger list. 
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Re: When were Jews in Galicia (Poland and now Ukraine) allowed to have passports? #galicia

Joan A. Baronberg

Richard, I have a 4 page PDF copy of my great grandfather’s Passport from Galicia in 1929. He lived in Suchostow and the passport seems to have been granted in “Brzezany.” I suppose this doesn’t tell you when the first passport for anyone was issued, but I can say that Pinkas Weisser used this passport for leaving Europe on the ship “France” and entering NY immigration. He then settled in Brooklyn, N.Y. until his death, living with his eldest daughter.

Joan Baronberg, Denver CO, USA
Suchostow, Strusov, Sloboda bei Strusov

Re: Earliest Use of Surnames in Romania? #names #romania

Shelley Mitchell

Does anyone know how names were chosen way back when? Originally I thought geography was used by some. Like Schwartzwald or Konigsberg. Clearly some chose a “son of” name. But the others?
Shelley Mitchell, NYC    shemit@...
Searching for TERNER, GOLDSCHEIN, KONIGSBERG, SCHONFELD, in Kolomyya; PLATZ, in Delaytn; and TOPF, in Radautz and Kolomea.

Re: Question re Polish parents' anglicised names on 1896 UK Naturalization Certificate #unitedkingdom #poland

Sherri Bobish


I have numerous vital records from New York City where names of people who never left Poland or Russia were given Americanized names by the informant.

My favorite is when my gggm Gitel became Susie.


Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Searching:  RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON, Arliogala (Rogala), Lith.
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN, Ustrzyki Dolne (Istryker), Pol.
BOJDA  / BLEIWEISS, Tarnobrzeg, Pol.
BOBISH, Odessa
SOLON / SOLAN / SOKOLSKY, Grodek (Bialystok)

Re: Aide généalogie juive polonaise ( help jewish /polish family) #france #names #poland


La recherche généalogique est toujours importante n’importe quelle direction les indices vous indiquent. Un nom de famille ne suffit pas à  prouver une ascendance juive. Je ne suis pas familière avec les noms de famille que vous avez mentionnés mais les juifs ont pris beaucoup de noms. Il y a peu de noms qui sont uniquement juifs. Parmi les prénoms que vous avez listés, Magdalena n’est pas du tout juif. Les autres sont du Vieux Testament  néanmoins  les chrétiens et juifs, tous les deux, ont utilisé les noms de Joseph et Jacob. Avez vous considéré une analyse d’ADN pour apprendre votre ethnicité? L’ADN ashkénaze est différent que l’ADN de la population générale polonaise. Si vous avez un arrière grand-parent juif vous aurez 12,5% l’ADN ashkénaze (approximativement) par exemple. Après ça le pourcentage diminue (un arrière arrière grand-parent représenterait 6,25% de votre l’ADN et etcétéra). C’est possible qu’un test d’ADN ne vous donne pas une réponse certaine mais c’est quelque chose à réfléchir.  Je vous suggère de continuer votre recherche et je vous souhaite bonne chance!
Sharon Fleitman
Atlanta, Georgia

Re: Question re Polish parents' anglicised names on 1896 UK Naturalization Certificate #unitedkingdom #poland

Risa Heywood

Yes, Barry, you are exactly right. I see it all the time on American records. Immigrants would often Anglicize their parents names on records whether or not the parents immigrated. Having said that, make sure that the parents didn't come at a later date if you have confirmed that they didn't immigrate with the child or children.

I have been surprised several times at finding parents or just a widowed parent immigrating in their later years. I say that it is surprising because the family stories for those lines indicated that the children immigrated but the parents stayed behind. And that wasn't the case. The parent or parents came later to join their children. 
Risa Daitzman Heywood

Libraries with Ancestry Remote Access Through ProQuest Has Been Extended Through June 30 #announcements

Jan Meisels Allen

As reported previously, during the pandemic, ProQuest which supplies the library edition of Ancestry to many libraries advised that Ancestry is permitting remote access during the pandemic. Per Bill Forsyth, Senior Product Manager, ProQuest, the remote access for those libraries that have Ancestry subscriptions through ProQuest is extended through June 30, 2020.


Ancestry will continue to evaluate the need monthly and will adjust the access dates accordingly.


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Transcript Please #germany

Ernst-Peter Winter

Am 29.05.20 um 12:41 schrieb Reuven Stern:
Dear fellow Gersigers,
Although I can speak, write and read in German, reading
cursive is a big problem that stops  the progress in my research
I have uploaded two documents to ViewMate.
I shall appreciate Transcripts to these documents.
I'll send the transcripts directly to your address.

Ernst-Peter Winter, Münster, Hessen

Re: When were Jews in Galicia (Poland and now Ukraine) allowed to have passports? #galicia


My grandfather applied for and received a passport in 1912 for purposes of going abroad to work.  I have the application but not the passport, and it does say "passport."  Since a passport is needed for foreign travel, I believe this was what we would consider a true passport.
Louise Goldstein  <mamabirdlouise@...>

List the surnames/towns that you are researching in the JewishGen Family Finder.
Go to and click on ENTER/MODIFY.

Translation marriage record in German #germany #ukraine


I would appreciate any information from the 2nd record in this attachment of a Ukrainian marriage record from 1899.  I know it is the marriage on 2 March 1899 in Bolechow of Josef Mordche Beer, age 35, to Perl Appel, born in Rohatyn, age 35 (father - Naftali Appel; 


mother - Dwora Appel).  Any additional information is appreciated.


Susan Gray, Chicago
 -FELDSTEIN / FELDSZTAJN / FELTON etc.; GOLDBERG; WEINSTEIN from Warsaw, Lutsk, Kamenets Podolskiy, Kholm.
-APPLE / APPEL / APEL etc; TAUB; LINEAL / LINIAL; KLEIN from Burshtyn, Rogatin, Sarniki, Putyatinsy, Dem'yanov.
-PAILET / PEYLET / PAILED etc; ITZCOVITZ / ITSKOVITCH etc. from Butrimonys, Panosiskes, Nemajunai, Vilnius.
-RATSAN / RACAN; SIROTA from Butrimonys, Jieznas, Brishton.

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Re: Looking for Phone books of Poland, Lithuania, Lativa and Belarus from 1918 #russia #poland #belarus #lithuania #latvia


Dear Jenny,
Thank you so much for your reply. Those sites that you recommended to me are so helpful for me.
Best Regards,
Patrice Markiewicz from Paris France.

Translating Polish letter handwritten in 1936 #poland #warsaw


I have a 3-1/4 page letter handwritten in Polish in 1936.  Attached is page 1.  I know nothing about the contents except that it was found in my father's belongings when he died.  My father Robert FELDSTEIN was born in Warsaw but immigrated to the U.S. at age 5.  His grandparents, who remained in Warsaw, were Moses FELDSTEIN who died in June 1936, and Klara FELDSTEIN.
I would appreciate any information about the subject(s) in this letter.  If Someone is able to decipher it, I will provide the remaining 2-1/4 pages.

Susan Gray, Chicago

 -FELDSTEIN / FELDSZTAJN / FELTON / FELTYN etc.; GOLDBERG; WEINSTEIN / WEINSZTEIN etc. from Warsaw, Lutsk, Kamenets Podolskiy, Kholm.
-APPLE / APPEL / APEL etc; TAUB; LINEAL / LINIAL; KLEIN from Burshtyn, Rogatin, Sarniki, Putyatinsy, Dem'yanov, Solova.
-PAILET / PEYLET / PAILED / PEJLET etc; ITZCOVITZ / ITSKOVITCH etc. from Butrimonys, Panosiskes, Nemajunai, Vilnius, Drosgusitz.
-RATSAN / RACAN; SIROTA from Butrimonys, Jieznas, Brishton.

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Re: When were Jews in Galicia (Poland and now Ukraine) allowed to have passports? #galicia

Richard Stower

Richard Stower
Yarmouth, Maine

Researching: SECHESTOWER, THAU, SPIERMAN (Kolomea, Stanislau)
KANNER, SMITZ or variations, WERNER (Dobrowa Tarnowska), GROSS  (Chortkiv)

Re: Ship Manifest codes #usa


Stephen, David, et al:

Pardon me if this is a duplicate. I sent it previously but have not seen
it appear.

Thank you all for your replies. When I first read David's reply, it was
obvious that the total on p. 3 of the manifest was the breakdown by sex
of all the passengers on those three pages. That was no mystery. I was
not able to align the individual notations with any category, even with
family groups. These were steerage passengers, so the groups were not in
separate cabins. For my person of interest, on line 8 of p. 1, I know he
traveled alone, and that he was later naturalized in the Southern
District of NY in 1903, which gave weight to the possibility that the
notation represented a naturalization code. The code "1-3", however,
doesn't align with it representing the number of people from Russia --
unless one stretched it to mean that he was 1 + 3 more from Russia.
(There were 4 passengers from Russia on that page and on the list as a
whole.) Thanks to Stephen for the Danko blog links, and to everyone who
weighed in.

Judith Lipmanson

This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks #poland

Bruce Drake

The “Ancient Tombstone According to Legend” is an origin story of the founding of a Jewish settlement for Jews where, once, only one Jew had lived in solitude “like a juniper in the wilderness.” The legend is told by a speaker who heard it from his father who “received it by word of mouth from his father's grandfather, something that had been passed on verbally for several generations” about a time hundreds of years earlier “there was no sign or trace of this place on which our town sits.” It’s unclear which town it is since the chapter comes from the Yizkor book of Sosniwiec and the surrounding region in Zaglebie in Poland, and it appears in the section on Zamblegian settlements. 

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD

Re: Father and son with same given name.i have xome across #belarus #poland #general

Linda Lang

Many people in my Broude family (Brodie) from the Grodno region were named for living relatives. The only conclusion I could draw was they lived for many generations on a tiny farm. There was no Rabbi or shul within walking distance so it may just have been done out of ignorance. When my grandparents moved to Canada my grandfather wanted to give me my mother's name and the Rabbi was horrified and told him he could not do that. Maybe this will help you.

Renseignements sur Nilou ( Daniel ) Sternberg né en Roumanie vers 1898-1899 mais demeurant à Paris dans les années 1940/ information on Daniel Sternberg Romania/Paris #france #romania

Aline Petzold

I am looking for information regarding my father's oldest brother, Daniel, known as "Nilou" Sternberg.  He was possibly born in Botosani in 1898 or 1899 and died in 1955.  I know that he married a French girl, Gratienne Levalois and that they had onechild, a girl.  That's all I know. Any information would be helpful.

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