Re: Inventory of 1834 Revision List for Vilna #lithuania

Jeffrey Gandz

I’d be interested in searching this index for my maternal grandfather Hyman (Chaim) JOSEPH and for his father, Israel or Asrael JOSEPH. 

Jeffrey Gandz

Re: Meaning of Bazel and Chepah #names #romania

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>

This is another English language record of people who were never in an English language country. Immigrants often Americanized or Anglicized the names of their parents still in Eastern Europe.
I once held a 'vote' on the name of my 2nd ggrandfather, which I thought was Shlomo, but his tombstone was translated as Ephraim (peace to Ephraim).  Well, I got death certificates from 6 of the kids in the US, and they agreed, he was Solomon, Salem, Salamon, and similar.
His wife, who I knew was Zepa, as there were 3 Zellas named for her after her death, was Helen, Ida, and Birdie. Birdie makes sense, as Zepora means a bird, but Birdie wasn't her name, it is English.
Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

JewishGen Webinar - June 10, 2020 #education #JewishGenUpdates

Nancy Siegel

We are pleased to invite you to attend a free webinar presentation by JewishGen’s Executive Director, Avraham Groll.

Getting Started with 

and Jewish Genealogy (English

Wednesday, June 10, 2020

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This program will be of interest not only to newer researchers, but also to those with more experience who can benefit from a greater understanding of the vast resources JewishGen provides.

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Consolidated Index of Jewish Surnames in Damascus in the 20th Century #sephardic #names

Abuwasta Abuwasta

Dear All,

Glad to inform you that I just published this index on Avotaynuonline. It contains 300 surnames and is certainly not a complete one and misses surnames. If you have additions, questions or corrections 

please contact me privately.

Jacob Rosen


Quebec Genealogical Society = need help of a member (obituary database) #canada

Gregory Bradbury

I am working on completing information on my family tree (more than 730 relatives at present).
I would appreciate help from anyone who is a member of the Québec Genealogical Society.
I would am looking for data on some specific relatives, easy in the "Décès du Québec 1926-1997" database, which is available on line to members.

Please contact me directly.  I can offer assistance for those in needing help for Switzerland.
Kind regards / Cordialement,

G Bradbury
Geneva (Switzerland)

Re: Military Uniform, Russian or Polish? #photographs


I'm not an expert either, but to me it looks like a French unicorn (from above, a circular hat). Not Polish, their hats looked square from above. When the Poles liberated Poland from Russia, their army,  under general Pilsudski, they were said to have had help from 40000 French volunteer officers. 

Best regards

Mikael Grounes

Re: Looking for MUTCHNIK /MUCZNIK family from Warsaw, Poland #warsaw #holocaust

Gary Pokrassa

There are 81 listings for Mutchnik survivors on the Arolsen archives website at

Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division

Re: OBLAST, #belarus

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>

Checking with GOOGLE (a researchers’s good friend) would let you know that oblast is 
  1. "an administrative division or region in Russia and the former Soviet Union, 
    and in some of its former constituent republics”:    In other words, it is akin 
    to area, region, province, or state.

    Barbara Mannlein
    Tucson, Arizona

On Jun 5, 2020, at 5:30 AM, Mary Ellen <memsp@...> wrote:

I have a listing of a family member born in 1846 in Minsk,Minsk, Oblast, Belarus, Ssr.
I assume there is a town  minsk in the state of Minsk  and  Where/ what is Oblast? 
Mary Ellen Pollack

Meaning of Bazel and Chepah #names #romania


I understood the maiden name of my grandfather's mother to be Rose Sussman and the maiden name of my grandmother's mother to be Rose Smith.  Both were from Romania.  But on my grandparents New York marriage certificate from 1903, it lists my grandfather's mother's maiden name as Bazel Sussman and my grandmother's mother's maiden name as Chepah Smith.  Are Bazel and Chepah first names, titles, or something else?
David Schaffer
Vienna, Virginia

Re: Military Uniform, Russian or Polish? #photographs


It is definitely not Russian. Probably Polish or Austrian. 

Re: Military Uniform, Russian or Polish? #photographs


It is definitely not Russian. Probably Polish or Austrian. 

Re: Military Uniform, Russian or Polish? #photographs


Definitely NOT Russian. Looks rather Austrian than Polish.  

SAEVITZ/SAVEVITCH and variant spellings #ukraine


My father-in-law, Herschel Saevitz (aka Harry Sayevitch), was brought to the UK as a child from the Poltava region of Ukraine c 1905. The 1911 UK census shows him to have been born in Kriukov, which seems to have been a shtetl near Kremenchug. His parents were Nathan Saevitz, b Romny, Ukraine c 1877 and Rebecca Troshansky, b Kremenchug c 1880. His siblings comprised Louis, Benjamin, Joseph, Esther and Gertrude.

Inspection of the LDS films for Romny leads me to think that Nathan was the son of Movsha Avram Hirsch Gillels Saevich, a former soldier of Romny. A very distant family connection has suggested that Nathan's mother was Paulia Lesnia. I have not yet seen documentation to refute or verify this.

Nathan was a Levite, and the FT-DNA Ashkenazi Levite project, of which Nathan's grandson is a part, has shown distant but direct paternal links with the Horowitz rabbinical dynasty. I do not know when the name evolved into Saevitz. Rabbinical records for Romny include entries for Saevitz males officiating at marriages but it has not been possible to verify whether these individuals are linked to Nathan's line.

As I have been researching this line for some years without making any further progress, I will probably abandon the search soon. However, if there is anyone with links to the family or who has helpful observations, I'd be very grateful to hear from them.

Thank you in advance for any insights.

Mary Sayers
Peak District, UK

Re: Vetting family tree submissions to genealogy sites for data soundness #general

Moishe Miller


For those that are new to genealogy, I would like to add one more thing
to be cautious about. A source citation does not automatically make
something true.

For instance, in researching my SCHWIMMER family from Munkacz, I came
across Israel Schwimmer, living in NY. Israel passed away in 1938 in NY.
There are TWO death records for an Israel Schwimmer in NY, in 1938.

+ Nov:
+ Jun:

If the wrong record is used, the wrong parents would be "cited", with a
data source, for this Israel Schwimmer. That is one of the reasons Bill
Dollarhide suggests, "There should be at least two citations (a minimum
of two separate sources) for each event listed." (See

Stay safe,

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY

This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #ukraine #yizkorbooks

Bruce Drake

“Leah Tziger [née Pinchuk] is a chapter from the Yizkor book of Rafalovka in the Ukraine. It is the story of a young girl’s struggle to survive after she and her family went into hiding and escaped the liquidation of the ghetto. Her father did not make it, and she and her mother were caught by a Ukrainian policeman as they set out on the road.

“We knew these were our last moments,” she writes. “I don't know whether it was the survival instinct and the human will to live, or the horror stories I had heard about the cruelty of the Ukrainians that prompted me to say: ‘I'm running.’ ‘I wouldn't want the last thing I see to be blood spraying out of you,’ my mother whispered. I told my mother she would see my blood even if I stay - I chose to die running and spare myself torture and cruelty.”

And off in her school uniform she ran, on the long and twisting path it took to stay alive until the liberation.


Bruce Drake

Silver Spring MD

Re: Inventory of 1834 Revision List for Vilna #lithuania

Joel Ratner

I've attached the inventory for the 1834 Vilna Revision List.

Place of Birth #belarus

Mary Ellen

I have a listing of a family member born in 1846 in Minsk,Minsk, Oblast, Belarus, Ssr.
I assume there is a town  minsk in the state of Minsk  and  Where/ what is Oblast? 
Mary Ellen Pollack


Re: Military Uniform, Russian or Polish? #photographs


I'm not at all an expert but just from looking at images on Google and looking up who controlled Stanislaw during WWI I think it's actually an Austrian uniform.

Binyamin Kerman
Baltimore MD

Re: Are there (death) Records or Anouncements of Polish Jews in the Russian Army circa 1880? #poland #russia

Jill Whitehead

Hi Barry,

Jedwabne is in Lomza Gubernia adjacent to Suwalki Gubernia in NE Poland. Both these were and are border gubernias, in the 19th century being the border with East Prussia (Konigsberg).  The area was frequently overrun by Prussians/Germans and Russians etc. in various land grabs or wars e.g. the late 18th century partitions of Poland, Napoleon in the early 19th century, and then the Tsar.

Jews fought the Tsar in two uprisings in the 1830's and 1860's, but Jews were not always on the same side, partly because of enforced conscription into the Tsar's army. Most of my family came to UK in the 1860's from this area to escape conscription into the Tsar's army but also because of famine in the Baltic area.

However, in one of my lines (the Brins later Browns of Edinburgh), the teenage and younger children were sent away because, according to strong family stories which I cannot verify, their father was a Captain in the Tsar's army and was allegedly given land for his troubles. There is little evidence or documentation of any of this, or BMD records for some towns in this area, because of the constant wars.

Many records were destroyed in WW1 and WW2 for certain towns (not all) when this area became the German front line, and Jedwabne was later the site of an infamous massacre by the Germans in WW2. 

You mention Warsaw. One of the children of the Captain in the Tsar's army escaped via Warsaw when she married her husband there (he came from Grodno), a fact confirmed via her children's Scottish birth certificates which give the place of her marriage as Warsaw (and her first child was born there too). Her three male brothers and one cousin's birth places were all given as Vishtinetz, then a town in Suwalki gubernia, in their naturalisation certificates. This town is now Vistytis in Lithuania following border changes in 1919 after WW1 Peace Settlement. 

It does help to learn about the history and georgreaphy of your ancestral area. You should note that there are older records for Jebwadne on JRI Poland website, and there may be some on Litvak SIG. You need to search to find out what there is here.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: Double Surname in Belarus Revision List #belarus #general

Steven Usdansky

ryabinkym@...: I have been working under the assumption that Shliomovich Sinensky was a combination of two last names based on the revision list showing the father of Fayvush Shliomovich Sinensky as Iosel.  Michael Richman's comment suggesting that Fayvush's father had a double given name, with one showing up as the father's given name in the revision list, and the other as the patronymic in the surname, is something I never considered, but makes more sense to me than a double surname.

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