Re: Vetting family tree submissions to genealogy sites for data soundness #general


* Miller [ Discussion Group - Digest #614] points out Dollarhide’s “Family Group Sheet Standards” <>.

Dollarhide discusses difficulties with “dates”.

Another method of dealing with dates is the ISO or “International Date Format” (See <>) which, for dealing with most writing systems is quite infallible. i.e., year month day hour:minute:sec.hundredths-of-secs. "2020 06 05 13:13:20.45". (Numerical only!) Have been using the ISO Dates for about 30 years (even on all my computer files) without regret. (I’d like to see JGen Discussion Grp use it!) :-) Its slightly confusing when you don’t have a “day” date, but once you get used to using it you’ll know what that shortened ISO date means.

Where the ISO date format apparently can run into difficulty is with writing systems that go “right-to-left;’ top to bottom” and “top-to bottom; right-to-left". Most of us will not have to deal with the latter and relatively few will want to deal with the former.

Shel Bercovich,

Calgary, AB, Canada

Re: Meaning of Bazel and Chepah #names #romania

Larry Gaum

Bazel is a Yiddish first name pronounced BASHEL ( baashell)
Larry Gaum

Continuing Exodus From Vienna; On To Argentina #austria-czech #latinamerica


Let me first say, this group has been most helpful in assisting tracing my family members as they left Austria, mostly in 1938.  Thank you.  First, I was able to verify (as much as is possible), that Rosa Lichtenfeld Heilpern, was part of the ill-fated Kladovo Transport, and perished trying to reach Palestine.  Her husband, Hans Heilpern, left earlier on an illegal ship, and was lucky to have made it undetected & safely, to Palestine. Second, I am in the process of contacting several people/places for information on those family members who went first to England; one, Berta Heilpern, went on a Domestic Visa, & stayed until war's end. She then came to the U.S.A.  I hope some of the organizations pointed out to me, will have some concrete information.  I know (sister/brother) Gisela/Alfred Heilpern left England for Australia in 1939, and then came to the U.S.A. in 1950.

I mentioned three others, Marianne Zerkowitz Heilpern & Kurt Heilpern (married) & Rosalia Helena Goldenthal Heilpern (Kurt's mom).  Here is where I want more information concerning the passenger lists.  I am pretty sure of Kurt, departed (unknown date) Antwerp on board the Eglantier, & arrived in Buenos Aires on, 25 Jan 1938.  He is listed as single.  This is the first discrepancy, as I had always heard he was married, and that his wife didn't live long after she arrived (long being... days/months/ a few years --- I don't know).  I found a listing for a Marianne Zerkowitz departing Rotterdam (unknown date) on board the Alpherat, arriving in Buenos Aires on, 18 Mar 1938; she is listed as single & with her maiden name, Zerkowitz.  I cannot be certain this is her, as I know nothing other than her name and that she, too, was from Vienna.  I found Rosalia Helena Heilpern, departing (unknown date) Vigo (I found it in northern Spain), on board the Cabo de Bueno Esperanza (Cape of Good Hope), arriving in Buenos Aires on, 3 May 1941.  Here, I don't know exactly when she fled Vienna, and where she would have gone, or if she was there closer to the date she sailed, and then made her way to Spain.  In all my searching I just happened upon all this information at a site: & then found something similar on CEMLA.  I really would like to see the original ships passenger lists to glean more concrete information, not just a very general transcription, especially to see more about Marianne.  

Other questions that come to mind are, did they have financial assistance of any kind, and if so, from whom?  Also, why Argentina --- a) able to get a quota based visa for there,  b) somebody sponsored them (who), or  c) fill in the blank ?????  I know there weren't a lot of options per se, and many other family members had fled to many different countries.  Those who remained, perished. I appreciate any assistance with this matter.


Leah Heilpern Snider
Siverdale, WA, U.S.A.

Families:  HEILPERN --- Brody, & (Czernowitz) Chernivitsi, Ukraine / Vienna, Austria
                 KORPUS --- (Lwow) Lviv & Kolomyya, Ukraine / Vienna, Austria
                 GOLDENTHAL --- Brody, Ukraine / Berlin, Germany / Vienna, Austria
                 MANDELKIERN --- Lublin & Chelm, Poland

Re: Military Uniform, Russian or Polish? #photographs

Jx. Gx.

I am much more familiar with American and German WWI uniforms, but I am very certain that your great uncle is wearing an Austrian uniform.  The Austrian-Hungarian Empire had a lot of uniform variations. The Austrian units, including those of Slovenia because the latter was part of the Empire, wore uniforms that had a lot of similarities to German uniforms. Uniform differences were also based on regimental origins, traditions, and branches of service such as  infantry and cavalry. 

It would have been helpful to see the uniforms of the other men in the photo that were cropped out.  Still, there is enough in this photo to verify it is an Austrian uniform. 1)  The deeply arched breast pocked flaps on the blouse (jacket).  2) The hat has the two vertical buttons (common in all German-style field caps up through WWII).  Above the buttons is a cockade.  You can't see the details, but I am pretty certain it would have the initials "FJI" - Franz Joseph Imperator."

If we didn't already know that your great-uncle died in 1917, I would have said the picture was taken sometime early in the war.  Later in the war, the Austrian military replaced the high collars with lower collars for comfort. The tab on your uncle's uniform collar has a single star that identified his rank.  I'm not familiar with Austrian-Hungarian military ranks. You might want to check out

Jeffrey Gee

Re: Military Uniform, Russian or Polish? #photographs

Margalit Ashira Ir

Dear Genners,
Thank you all for your help in identifying my great uncle's uniform.  It is indeed Austrian.  Now I will be able to focus more about him and his military history.
Wishing you all well, please remain safe and well.

Warm Regards,
Margalit Ashira Ir
EDELMAN, IR, TUGENDER, EKSZTEJN - Biala Podlaska, Miedzyrec
, PREZORZKA - Warsaw


Re: help translating Yiddish or Hebrew with synagogue letter head #translation #yiddish


I would recommend that you post it to ViewMate, in the "Translation -- Yiddish" category:  
Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA

Re: unusual name on tombstone #names

Marsha Epstein

Get his death certificate. Might list his father's name.

Re: Inventory of 1834 Revision List for Vilna #lithuania

Jeffrey Gandz

I’d be interested in searching this index for my maternal grandfather Hyman (Chaim) JOSEPH and for his father, Israel or Asrael JOSEPH. 

Jeffrey Gandz

Re: Meaning of Bazel and Chepah #names #romania

Sally Bruckheimer

This is another English language record of people who were never in an English language country. Immigrants often Americanized or Anglicized the names of their parents still in Eastern Europe.
I once held a 'vote' on the name of my 2nd ggrandfather, which I thought was Shlomo, but his tombstone was translated as Ephraim (peace to Ephraim).  Well, I got death certificates from 6 of the kids in the US, and they agreed, he was Solomon, Salem, Salamon, and similar.
His wife, who I knew was Zepa, as there were 3 Zellas named for her after her death, was Helen, Ida, and Birdie. Birdie makes sense, as Zepora means a bird, but Birdie wasn't her name, it is English.
Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

JewishGen Webinar - June 10, 2020 #education #JewishGenUpdates

Nancy Siegel

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Consolidated Index of Jewish Surnames in Damascus in the 20th Century #sephardic #names

Abuwasta Abuwasta

Dear All,

Glad to inform you that I just published this index on Avotaynuonline. It contains 300 surnames and is certainly not a complete one and misses surnames. If you have additions, questions or corrections 

please contact me privately.

Jacob Rosen


Quebec Genealogical Society = need help of a member (obituary database) #canada

Gregory Bradbury

I am working on completing information on my family tree (more than 730 relatives at present).
I would appreciate help from anyone who is a member of the Québec Genealogical Society.
I would am looking for data on some specific relatives, easy in the "Décès du Québec 1926-1997" database, which is available on line to members.

Please contact me directly.  I can offer assistance for those in needing help for Switzerland.
Kind regards / Cordialement,

G Bradbury
Geneva (Switzerland)

Re: Military Uniform, Russian or Polish? #photographs


I'm not an expert either, but to me it looks like a French unicorn (from above, a circular hat). Not Polish, their hats looked square from above. When the Poles liberated Poland from Russia, their army,  under general Pilsudski, they were said to have had help from 40000 French volunteer officers. 

Best regards

Mikael Grounes

Re: Looking for MUTCHNIK /MUCZNIK family from Warsaw, Poland #warsaw #holocaust

Gary Pokrassa

There are 81 listings for Mutchnik survivors on the Arolsen archives website at

Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division

Re: OBLAST, #belarus

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>

Checking with GOOGLE (a researchers’s good friend) would let you know that oblast is 
  1. "an administrative division or region in Russia and the former Soviet Union, 
    and in some of its former constituent republics”:    In other words, it is akin 
    to area, region, province, or state.

    Barbara Mannlein
    Tucson, Arizona

On Jun 5, 2020, at 5:30 AM, Mary Ellen <memsp@...> wrote:

I have a listing of a family member born in 1846 in Minsk,Minsk, Oblast, Belarus, Ssr.
I assume there is a town  minsk in the state of Minsk  and  Where/ what is Oblast? 
Mary Ellen Pollack

Meaning of Bazel and Chepah #names #romania


I understood the maiden name of my grandfather's mother to be Rose Sussman and the maiden name of my grandmother's mother to be Rose Smith.  Both were from Romania.  But on my grandparents New York marriage certificate from 1903, it lists my grandfather's mother's maiden name as Bazel Sussman and my grandmother's mother's maiden name as Chepah Smith.  Are Bazel and Chepah first names, titles, or something else?
David Schaffer
Vienna, Virginia

Re: Military Uniform, Russian or Polish? #photographs


It is definitely not Russian. Probably Polish or Austrian. 

Re: Military Uniform, Russian or Polish? #photographs


It is definitely not Russian. Probably Polish or Austrian. 

Re: Military Uniform, Russian or Polish? #photographs


Definitely NOT Russian. Looks rather Austrian than Polish.  

SAEVITZ/SAVEVITCH and variant spellings #ukraine


My father-in-law, Herschel Saevitz (aka Harry Sayevitch), was brought to the UK as a child from the Poltava region of Ukraine c 1905. The 1911 UK census shows him to have been born in Kriukov, which seems to have been a shtetl near Kremenchug. His parents were Nathan Saevitz, b Romny, Ukraine c 1877 and Rebecca Troshansky, b Kremenchug c 1880. His siblings comprised Louis, Benjamin, Joseph, Esther and Gertrude.

Inspection of the LDS films for Romny leads me to think that Nathan was the son of Movsha Avram Hirsch Gillels Saevich, a former soldier of Romny. A very distant family connection has suggested that Nathan's mother was Paulia Lesnia. I have not yet seen documentation to refute or verify this.

Nathan was a Levite, and the FT-DNA Ashkenazi Levite project, of which Nathan's grandson is a part, has shown distant but direct paternal links with the Horowitz rabbinical dynasty. I do not know when the name evolved into Saevitz. Rabbinical records for Romny include entries for Saevitz males officiating at marriages but it has not been possible to verify whether these individuals are linked to Nathan's line.

As I have been researching this line for some years without making any further progress, I will probably abandon the search soon. However, if there is anyone with links to the family or who has helpful observations, I'd be very grateful to hear from them.

Thank you in advance for any insights.

Mary Sayers
Peak District, UK

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