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Drozdowicz Hertz Bet (tzvi dov)
#poland
irit.goldfeder@...
Hi ,
my name paul dani goldfeder , i’m searching for more details about Drozdowicz Herz ber . he died 1938 in Warsau . he had 3 children : josef, ruchla-laja, jehudith. name first wife : fajga name second wife : elka morgenstern die 1931. Herz ber was boen in Novy Dvor thank you paul
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Re: passenger manifest missing/not indexed?
#general
Mark Jacobson
The SS Rotterdam, a ship from the Holland American Line, arrived in NY December 14, 1904, not December 25, 1904. Mark Jacobson Past President, JGSPBCI Gesher Galicia Board member JRI-Poland Town Leader Boryslaw and Drohobycz Boca Raton, FL DOGULOV/DOVGALEVSKY - Tripolye/Vasilkov/Kiev Ukraine; COHEN/KANA/KAHAN - Tripolye, Ukraine; JACOBSON - Polotsk/Lepel, Belarus; KOBLENTZ - Polotsk, Belarus; KAMERMAN/KAMMERMANN, WEGNER - Drohobycz, Galicia; KOPPEL - Stebnik/Drohobycz, Galicia; JACOBI - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia; ROTHLEIN - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia; TUCHFELD - Rzeszow/Stryj/Lvov, Galicia; GOLDSTEIN - Ranizow, Galicia
On Sunday, June 7, 2020, 03:51:25 PM EDT, Ryan Cramer via groups.jewishgen.org <rycramer=yahoo.com@...> wrote:
On my great-grandfather’s immigration docs he indicated that he (Julius Silver) arrived in New York on Dec 25, 1904 on the vessel “SS Rotterdam”, sailing from Rotterdam. I can’t find a passenger manifest that matches dates and locations. Are some of them still unpublished/not indexed? If anyone has a source where I’m able to find this I’d really appreciate it. Thank you!
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New Translation of Ratno, Ukraine Yizkor book just published
#ukraine
Joel Alpert
Yizkor Books in Print is proud to announce the publication of its 96 title.
“Ratno Yizkor Book” The Story of the Destroyed Jewish Community Dedicated To the Memory of a Vanished Jewish Town In Ukraine Translation of Ratne; sipura shel kehila yehudit she-hushmeda Original Yizkor Book Published by The Former Residents of Ratno in Israel Tel-Aviv 1983 Translation Project Coordinator: Lynne Siegel Editors: Nachman Tamir Layout: Jonathan Wind Cover Design: Nina Schwartz Name Indexing: Jonathan Wind Hard Cover, 11” by 8.5”, 590 pages with all original illustrations and photographs List price: $62.95 available from JewishGen for $37 including shipping, handling and taxes in the US, UK, Canada and Australia. To order, go to the bottom of https://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/ybip/YBIP_Ratno.html and click on JewishGen to fill out the order form and pay by PayPal Joel Alpert, Coordinator of the Yizkor Books in Print Project (YBIP)
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Mexican Vital Records relative from Poland
#latinamerica
Carol
Does anyone have a clue where I could find a marriage and death record for a Polish immigrant who settled in Mexico around 1900-1920, married a few years later, and died in the late 1930s? His name was Max Greenberg from Waldowa; he married Masha Allegant and had two children: “Raquel” and “Juan.” I can find him in a census on line, and found birth records for the two children, but would love to see the other documents. Thanks!
Carol Isenberg Clingan Dedham MA
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passenger manifest missing/not indexed?
#general
Ryan Cramer
On my great-grandfather’s immigration docs he indicated that he (Julius Silver) arrived in New York on Dec 25, 1904 on the vessel “SS Rotterdam”, sailing from Rotterdam. I can’t find a passenger manifest that matches dates and locations. Are some of them still unpublished/not indexed? If anyone has a source where I’m able to find this I’d really appreciate it. Thank you!
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Towns within Poznan region JewishGen' Gazetteer
#poland
Alexander Sharon
Recently Moses Jefferson requested identification of two towns, related to surname Ebstein and located within Poznan area. As always, JewishGenners came up with good suggestions and recommendations as to towns identification. Why I am writing this? What is surprising is that JewishGen Gazetteer and related JGFF database were not suggested for the search.
Town {Bad} Carlsruhe, OS
By clicking JewishGen icon attached to the left of the modern Polish town name Pokój, addional information about the town past names and regional affiliation is available, including names of the two researchers and the surnames researched.
The last family name on the list – Ebstein, added back in 2004 is the name that Moses Jefferson is researching.
Verysimilar exercise should be used while researching town Militsch with JG Gazetteer
And JGFF database shows the following names researched in MIlicz
Searching for Town (Exact) : MILICZ Run on Sun, 07 Jun 2020 13:28:41 -0600
May I suggest Moses to add surname Ebstein to Milicz.
Best,
Alexander Sharon JGFF editor
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Trouble identifying city / town on ship manifest
#austria-czech
Jeremy Lefkowitz
In the "country" column, my great-grandmother put "Austria," but for "city or town" I cannot tell what was entered. It looks something like "RUBASSA" or "RUBACCA," but I cannot figure it out. It's the fourth one down from the top of the section in the attached image. The manifest is for the S.S. Montezuma, March 23 1906. If anyone has any leads on what this may say, I'd love some help!
Thank you, Jeremy Lefkowitz Swarthmore, PA
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Re: Y DNA question
#dna
Stephen Weinstein
Short answer:
Your full brother's son's DNA would. Your son's DNA or your sister's son's DNA would not. Your paternal half-brother's son's DNA would. Your maternal half-brother's DNA would not. Long answer: Your son's DNA would help for finding his father's relatives, but would not help for finding any of your relatives whom you could not find with your own DNA. His Y DNA would not help at all for finding your relatives, because it comes only from his father. If your DNA was not available to test, then his regular DNA would help with finding your relatives, because half of it is from you, but it would help only to find relatives whom you would also find with your own DNA, and you are more likely to find them with your DNA than his, since he has only half of your regular DNA. Similarly, your sisters' sons' DNA, would help for finding THEIR fathers' relatives, but their Y-DNA would not help you find YOUR father's relatives. However, your brother's sons' DNA would help for finding your brother's father's relatives. If your brother is either your full brother (same father as you and same mother as your) or your paternal half-brother (same father, different mother), then these would be your paternal relatives. If your brother is your maternal half-brother (same mother, different father), then these would not be your relatives. Exceptions: 1) In the Torah, Abraham says that Sarah is his father's daughter or granddaughter (but not his mother's); therefore, Sarah could learn about the relatives of Terah (her father or grandfather) by testing the DNA of Isaac (her son and also the son of Terah's son Abraham), if DNA testing had been invented. However, it would be no more useful than testing the DNA of Ishmael (the son of Abraham and Hagar, another woman, whom we will assume is not related to Sarah). The same would apply today. Similarly, if a woman's father is also her sister's sons' father, then DNA testing them would be useful, but only as useful as if she was not related to their mother. 2) There are rare cases of a person being born anatomically female, but with a Y chromosome. The person appears to be a normal female (or even slightly less masculine than a typical woman) and often does not find out that they have a Y chromosome. If your son is adopted, then there is a remote chance that you might have Y DNA that could be tested. However, a person with this condition is not able to have biological children. (They don't have ovaries or a properly functioning uterus.) If you gave birth to your son (whether with your own eggs or donor eggs) or used a surrogate with your eggs, then you definitely don't have Y DNA. (Finally, a transgender person who was born male, but now self-identifies as female, would still have sufficient Y DNA to have it tested and would not need to use the DNA of a male relative.)
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Immigration photo possibility
#general
lisab5308@...
My great-grandmother and her children came to NY from Romania in 1905. I was wondering if they would have had any photos taken in order to come here and, if so, how I could access such a photo. They did go through Ellis Island. Thank you for any help.
Lisa Bracco
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Peter Cohen
Would Bashel be a diminutive of Basya (Batya)? (And is Batya itself a diminutive of Batsheba?)
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Re: Jewish name Dove
#names
Peter Cohen
As others have said, the name is Dov, frequently Dov Ber. Look for Berko in Russian Revision Lists. In Yiddish, Berel. Americanized to Bernard, Barnet, Barney.
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Re: polite, correct word for genealogy purposes?
#general
jel
Unless it is simply a platonic, roomate or flat sharing relationship, I term the unmarried couples as Domestic Partners. If they're married, I term as Married and have created, in TMG, a special marriage tag to designate their same sex status. What you do depends on the fllexibility of the software you use to enter your genealogy data.
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Re: polite, correct word for genealogy purposes?
#general
Shelley Mitchell
2 males = Husbands
2 females = Wives As for unmarried heterosexual couple, last time I looked it Partners -- Shelley Mitchell, NYC shemit@... Searching for TERNER, GOLDSCHEIN, KONIGSBERG, SCHONFELD, in Kolomyya; PLATZ, in Delaytn; and TOPF, in Radautz and Kolomea.
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Shelley Mitchell
After 1906, records of naturalizations in federal courts, including the Supreme Ciurt of Washington, DC, should be in USCIS (US Citizenship and Immigration Services) inventory. Also try Familysearch.org. -- Shelley Mitchell, NYC shemit@... Searching for TERNER, GOLDSCHEIN, KONIGSBERG, SCHONFELD, in Kolomyya; PLATZ, in Delaytn; and TOPF, in Radautz and Kolomea.
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Re: Fairy Tales my Father Told Me
#belarus
Stephen Weinstein
Yes.
I had one great-grandfather who was supposedly brought over by HIAS, even though HIAS insists that they didn't bring over anyone in those days, and that they helped immigrants only after (or when) their ship reached the U.S. I had another great-grandfather who supposedly entered using the name of the person ahead of him on line, after hearing that person be admitted. The story is that he didn't think he'd be allowed in if he used his real name, so once he repeated the name of the person ahead of him, because he knew that name worked for that person, so it would work for him too. This is impossible for several reasons. First, you gave the name you were using (whether it was yours or not) before you knew whether the person ahead of you in line would be admitted or not. Second, there would be a record of two individuals who arrived on the same day and ship who both used the name that he supposedly used, and I haven't found one. Third, the decision about who to admit or reject weren't based on their names,; the inspectors didn't have access to records of their previous times in the U.S. (the supposed reason he feared rejection under his real name). Finally, the inspector would have been suspicious about hearing the same name twice in a row and checked the manifest to see how many passengers had that name, seen that only one did, and caught him in a lie. Stephen Weinstein, Camarillo, CA, USA
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Re: polite, correct word for genealogy purposes?
#general
Stephen Weinstein
Since the word partner has appeared in some of the other answers, something to be aware of is that civil unions were called "registered domestic partnerships" in California law, and the two individuals were called "registered domestic partners". This applied both to same sex relationships and to elderly heterosexuals (opposite sex relationships) who wanted to be treated as married under California law but as single under federal law (typically so that if one of them ever needed to go into a nursing home, they would not need to spend down the assets of the other in order to qualify for medicaid). So if you use the word "partner", make clear whether you are using it as a generic term or that you are using it to say that the relationship was a union that was legally registered in California. Keep in mind that it's not enough for YOU to know what you mean; you also have to make it clear in your notes and tree to anyone who might use your notes or tree for their own research after you're dead; we've all experienced reading something that was clear to whomever wrote it in the 1800s, but isn't clear to us now.
"Fiances" if they are engaged but not married. "Husband" for any married male and "wife" for any married female. If they are not married and are not engaged, and you are brave, then boyfriends for (A) and boyfriend and girlfriend for (C). However, the meaning of girlfriends would not be clear if used for (B) because "girlfriends" in the plural form or a same-sex context normally implies a platonic friendship. (Unlike "boyfriend", which normally implies a romantic relationship regardless of whether used in a same-sex or opposite-sex context, as does "girlfriend" in a clearly opposite-sex context. An exception is that I have heard Suze Orman's address callers to her financial advice show as "boyfriend" or "girlfriend".) Also, it invites an argument about whether boyfriends and girlfriends should be included at all, so if you want to avoid that discussion, it may be better to avoid words that clearly indicate unmarried. A, B, or C) "Partners" works for any relationship. It's simple. Unlike husband, wife, boyfriend, or girlfriend, it doesn't indicate gender or marital status, so you don't get into a fight with anyone about the validity of a marriage. It can be safely used around children without concern as to whether they are ready to learn about sex or relationships, because if they don't already know, then they'll just assume you are talking about business partners. The only problem, as I mentioned at the start, is the possible confusion with the more specific California term. Stephen Weinstein Camarillo, California, USA
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Re: Fairy Tales my Father Told Me
#belarus
Lee Hover
I was told that my GF, Jacob Messing, was a nihilist and left Warsaw after a Cossack cat o' nine tails blinded him in one eye. About a year after arriving here, his wife, Zipporah (Sophie) arrived w/ my infant father, Herman. About 6 weeks later, he took them on a picnic to Central Park. He excused himself to get a drink of water and shot himself to death. As to the nihilist story, I have no idea as to any truth in it. The suicide itself is documented on his death certificate and I have newspaper articles about it. Also in the mix: "he married beneath himself (!)", they never married. I found his tombstone, which said brother, but no mention of wife. Since everyone is long gone, I'll never know.
Lee MESSING Hover Lacey, WA LAP(P)IN Lithuania; KLEIN Hungary; MESSING Warsaw, Ger, Poland; ALTSCHULER ALTSZULER Warsaw
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Emily Garber
Alizah:
These records, of course, will be a huge help to anyone doing research in the records of the Ukrainian portion of the former Russian and Austrian Empires. We are all looking forward to seeing them. But, unless you have some idea of the town your people came from in the old country, trying to find records for your family will be like looking for needles in the proverbial hay stack (Weinstein is not exactly a rare surname). It will be several years before these records are online and, most importantly, indexed. Better to spend your time researching through the records in the country to which your ancestors immigrated. US records should provide evidence of where your relatives were from originally. It may also provide information on other family members' names and places of origin (they may not all be the same). You will need as much information as possible to be able to recognize the correct people in old country records once they become available. The borders of today's Ukraine includes land that was once in several different Empires at different times. If your people were from the Austrian province of Galicia, you will find that many record images are already available online via JRI-Poland and the Polish archives. Some record images from towns in today's Ukraine are already available on FamilySearch and are currently being indexed. As some people have noted, some Russian Empire records are available now (thanks to Alex Krakovsky's work), but they have not been fully indexed. If you are not experienced with family history research, I suggest you sign up for a JewishGen online course <https://www.jewishgen.org/Education/>. That will provide the skills you will need to carry out preliminary research and get ready for the promised records from Ukrainian archives. Good luck with your research! Emily Garber Phoenix, AZ
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Re: Help locating town from Poznan area census
#translation
#poland
Ellen Caplan
Hello Moses,
You asked for assistance in finding the towns mentioned in a German census card. It looks to me like the first (and third) name is Karlsruhe, Germany, also spelled Carlsruhe in the JewishGen Town Finder. It is in SW Germany, in Baden-Wurtemberg, near the French-German boarder. The other town looks to me like Milituh, but I cannot find any place with that spelling. Ellen Caplan Ottawa, Canada Researching: EISENBERG, NAGLER, GINIGER, KLINGER: Mielnica & Ustye Biscupie, Galicia BREGER, LIEBMAN: Gomel/Homel & area, Belarus SOLOMON, PARADISGARTEN: Tukums & Mitau, Latvia -- Ellen Caplan Ottawa, Canada Researching: EISENBERG, NAGLER, GINIGER, KLINGER (Mielnica, Ustye Biscupie & Zalescie, Galicia); BREGER (Gomel, Belarus; Novozybkov, Russia), LIEBMAN/LEBMAN (Gomel, Belarus); SOLOMON, PARADISGARTEN (Tukums & Mitau, Latvia)
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Re: Y DNA question
#dna
Vivs
Hello
Autosomal DNA is the way to go in this case. You inherit 50% from mom and 50% from dad. You will match people on both sides. Jewish autosomal DNA tends to be fairly challenging. But top matches down to about 2nd cousin level should still all be fairly accurate. Beyond that it gets very challenging to work with. If you want to explore deep ancestry, YDNA can be helpful, but you would need a male direct line descendant of your father's line. If he had no daughters, you could look to his brothers, or their sons. Or his father's brothers and their sons, etc. If you wish to explore YDNA, there are 2 free webinars by UGA that I am teaching. One was the end of last month, and should be posted any day and be free for a week, the 2nd is the 4th Tue this month and is free live (and hopefully for a week after it is posted. ) I admin a Jewish YDNA haplogroup project. If you wish more help in that arena feel free to ask questions! Vivs Laliberte -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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