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Re: Vetting family tree submissions to genealogy sites for data soundness #general
I have enjoyed this thread and connected posts about the accuracy of trees and information submitted to sites like Geni and Ancestry because the posts have mirrored my feelings. There is a high percentage of junk. In theory the junk should get weeded out by repeated edits like wrong information in Wikipedia -- but it doesn't work like that. On several occasions, I have become irritated after an exchange of emails with a poster who has grafted obviously wrong information, for example, parents already dead years before the birth have been added. Reading that others have similar thoughts has calmed me a bit. Ancestry has caveats to check the information, for example the suggestions that they have added to my tree.
I have attached a list in PDF form of my ancestral family names and towns including cases where brothers took different names. It's too long to add at the bottom of this message. Unless otherwise indicated, all locations are in present-day Germany.
Ralph N. Baer RalphNBaer@... Washington, DC
*WOLF-*Munster, Darmstadt-Dieburg, Hessen, GermanyI'm living at Münster and was confronted for the first time
about 3 years ago with the genealogy of Jewish fellow
citizens. Although I have been researching for over 45
years, this was a completely new challenge, as completely
different sources had to be found and consulted.
I'm interested in all facts about jewish families in Münster.
At present I have information about Zilly Wolf, wife of
Abraham Falk, marriage on 06 JUL 1862 in Münster, daughter
of Meyer Wolf. Zilly Wolf is said to come from Lützelsachsen.
Regina (Reingen) Wolf, daughter of Samuel Wolf and Veilchen
(Vögelchen) NN was born on 10 OCT 1810 in Langen (Hessen)
and died on 02 SEP 1851 in Frankfurt. She married ABraham
Strauß on 25 MAY 1845 in Sprendlingen (Dreieich). In Münster
they have a daughter Rosina, born on 08 FEB 1846.
I am very pleased about an exchange.
Ernst-Peter Winter, Münster (Hessen)
I've had a BRICK WALL for over 10 years of active research. My grandfather, Isidor (Icek?) Bergman was born in Warsaw (maybe not?) in 1880 or 1882. According to his Ketuba and his SS documents, his father was Simon. His mother was Feige born Elbaum in 1837 in Lublin. (The family later changed the surname to Kierer.) She married a Dawid Boguslawski who died while she was pregnant with Samuel David Boguslawski, born 1863. I don't know when she married Bergman or anything about Simon Bergman. She emigrated to the U.S. in 1890 under the name of Czippe (Czippe is Hebrew for Feige) Bergmann, but alas her 8 year old son was not on the ship manifest. I have very many documents about her family from Lublin -- parents, grandparents, and siblings, but NOTHING about the Bergmans. I have used every available resource. Any clues? Attached are photos of Feige and Isidor and his half brother -- (Isidor on the left) -- taken around 1895.
Abby Barry Bergman
your great-grangmother's first name was Rebecka and
her maiden name indeed was Samuel. It doesn't say where
she was from, but her last place of residence was the city of Kiel
on the Baltic Sea, approx. 120 K north from Altona (which is next to Hamburg)
I may add, that Moses Salomon's wife's first name was most likely not "Betty"
(compare the first capital letter with the last name Benjamin), the end to me looks more like
something like ".ettig", sorry not to be of more help.
Re: polite, correct word for genealogy purposes? #general
As a spouse in a same-sex marriage, I suggest spouse as a valuable term for any people in a marriage, regardless of gender(s). When we got married, the celebrant congratulated us as now being " husband and husband."
The difficulty with "partner" is that is is ambiguous on whether it is a familial term or a business term. Even after being married for 12 years and in a domestic partnership for almost 20 years, people newly met and told that we are partners still assume my spouse and I are in business together.
Also, we are married AND domestic partners - two different statuses, entered into at different times, and still both applicable. At one time, before national marriage equality, being domestic partners could provide rights in states that didn't yet affirm same-sex marriage.
Thanks for thinking about all this.
San Francisco, CA
The Becker's Email
Ancestry World subscription has a number of documents in addition to the birth record: death record for Max, several border crossings from Mexico into the US, US naturalization papers (original) for Juan. Once public libraries reopen, many have library subscriptions to Ancestry and you should be able to access free.
birth of Juan (m) and Raquel (f) twins b. 10 Oct. 1923 in Mexico City. Birth registered in 1926. Father Max Greenberg and mother Maria Allerhard. It's a very long entry in Spanish and my Spanish is rusty.
Re: passenger manifest missing/not indexed? #general
Immigration recollections are not always correct. For some reason (I haven't conducted a scientific survey, however!) people seem to remember the ship name more often than the precise date. If you search by month/year and ship name (don't use a name in your search), you will get a list of manifests from the approximate time period. You may need to search the manifests manually, and you may need to expand the time period. Also, Julius Silver may have arrived under the surname Zilber, and Julius may have been something else as well. You need to be very creative when searching for passenger lists. My comments reflect doing searches on Ancestry.
And for the record, I have never found my maternal grandmother's ship manifest after 25 years of searching. She was always boasting that she didn't have to travel in steerage, and Marian Smith (formerly of USCIS) said that non-steerage passengers didn't always appear on passenger manifests during some time periods.
Los Angeles, CA
Re: Fairy Tales my Father Told Me #belarus
My grandfather told my mother (before she emigrated to Canada, 1956) that we had family in Boston and that one member was even a rabbi. Once we arrived in Canada, she tried to find him but had no luck. She died in 1988. Fast forward to 2014. I emailed a distant cousin whether he knew anything about the family in Boston. Sure enough, the cousin knew about them and even had their email addresses. We went to Boston, visited with the family (grandchildren of the rabbi) and I copied photos of him and his sons. Rabbi Rafael Landau (1877-1955) was my grandfather's first cousin. By the time my mother searched for him, he was long dead.
TSCHERNIA of Copenhagen, Denmark, & Genichesk, Kherson Oblast, Ukraine
SHLAMOWITZ/SZLAMOWICZ/BIRENCWEIG of London, England; Lodz & Jezow, Poland
SEIDLER/ZAJDLER/LANDAU of Lodz & Sulejow, Poland
ROSENFELD of Raków, Kielce, Poland
SHKOLNIK/TICK[ER] of Ladyzhyn & Bershad, Vinnytsia, Ukraine
I hope you all are safe and well.
I'd like to list my family surnames as I have not done this in a while to see if anyone is researching the same names. I'm not sure if the format I'm using is all right for our new message list format. I'm hoping someone will see a name that is among their family surnames.
I have the surname and then where in Germany they are from.
Sincerely and best wishes,
BUEHLER - Noerdlingen/Kleinerdlingen/Donau-Ries, Bavaria, Germany;
(our Buehlers may have originated and Schweizers and supposedly the schweizers (before permanent last names) came from a name named Salomon Weil- who may or may not have been from Switzerland)
SANDAL /LAUCHHEIMER (this is before permanent last names. The permanent last name was Lauchheimer- from Kleinerdlingen
ROSENBERGERr- Oberdorf-Bopfingen, Ostalbkreis, Baden-Württemberg, Germany
OETTINGER-Öttinger- Mönchsroth, Ansbach, Bavaria, Germany; Oberdorf-Bopfingen, Ostalbkreis, Baden-Württemberg, Germany
ADLER Markelsheim, Baden-Württemberg, Germany; aka Markelsheim, Main-Tauber-Kreis, Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany
ADLER- Eberstädt, Heilbronn, Baden-Württemberg, Germany
ROTHSCHILD-Eberstädt, Heilbronn, Baden-Württemberg, Germany
SELIGMANN- Crailsheim, Schwabisch Hall, Baden-Württemberg, Germany
KAUFMANN -y Eberstadt, Heilbronn, Baden-Wurttemberg
LEVI- Markt Berolzheim, Weissenburg-Gunzenhausen, Bayern, Bavaria, Germany;
Waldorf, Bornheim, Rhein-Sieg-Kreis, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany;
Heimerzheim, Rhein-Sieg-Kreis, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany
Ollheim, Rhein-Sieg-Kreis, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany (Swisttal near Bonn
SCHWEIZER- / SCHWEITZER- Dernau, Ahrweiler, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany
HERZ Markt Berolzheim aka Berolzheim, Weissenburg-Gunzenhausen, Bayern, Bavaria, Germany
AFFHAUSER Ichenhausen, Günzburg, Bavaria , Berolzheim, Weissenburg-Gunzenhausen, Bayern, Bavaria, Germany
SCHOENWALTER- Berolzheim, Weissenburg-Gunzenhausen, Bayern, Bavaria, Germany
HEYMAN- Westum, Sinzig, Ahrweiler, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany;
SCHWEIZER (Kleinerdlingen, Donau-Ries, Bayern, Germany) SCHWEIZER (Schopfloch, Ansbach, Bayern, Germany) Schweizer
OTTENTENHEIMER / FREUDENTHALER -Heinsheim, Heilbronn, Baden-Württemberg, Germany
HERZ - Nümbrecht, Oberbergischer Kreis, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany; earlier in time from:
Schwarzenau, Kitzingen, Bayern, Germany
note: before the Herzes had a permanent last name, my ggg grandfather’s name was Herz Baer. (Baer is a patronymic) He was born in Schwarzenau (not Bad
Berleberg) His father’s name was Baer Cohn, but again, Cohn was not a last name.
SALOMON- Schwarzenau, Bad Berleburg, Siegen-Wittgenstein, NRW
REINHEIMER - Beerfelden, Odenwaldkreis, Hessen, Germany
SIMON- Beerfelden, HESSE
HUMBERGKlein Reken, Borken, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
(HAMBERG- (I just found a "new" branch of HUMBERGS who changed their surname to HAMBERG upon coming to America) Philadelphia, PA
related to me and it turns out the name was previously Humberg in Germany)
Leyser- Schwarzenau, Schwarzenau, Bad Berleburg, Siegen-Wittgenstein, NRW
Anschel- Rheine, Steinfurt, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
Samson- died in Klein Reken
Isaak ? may have lived in Klein Reken
Schwarz- Raesfeld, Borken, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
Elkan/Elcan/Alcan/Alkan/ Elkaan- Raesfeld, Borken, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
Abraham Moises (1766-1861) (did not have a last name, but his son took the last name Schwarz)- Schwabach, Bayern, Germany
Jost - Raesfeld, Borken, Nordrhein-Westfalen
Jost Israel- no last name- Raesfeld
Simon- Georgenhausen, Reinheim, Darmstadt-Dieberg, Hesse, Germany
Herz -Wiesbaden, Hessen, Deutschland
Hello. I have located what I believe to be a partial manifest for the SS Paris, sailing from NY to Plymouth, arriving August 8th, 1929. I located the manifest on Ancestry, UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960, Plymouth, England, 1929 August.
My grandparents, Charles and Dorothy Weingarten, took this ship and I can not find their names. Any suggestions? I think I page might be missing.
Thank you in advance for any advice
Deborah Moscou Annex
Emma may want to try searching for her family and their restaurant in old city directories. This site is free, and has a large database of Eastern European directories from the past.
Re: German Citizenship under Article 116 #germany
FWIW, we applied in August 2019. At the time they said it could take 18 months to two years to process. Of course that was pre-COVID and pre-full Brexit - no idea what the lead times look like now.
I don't see the full image of the manifest. In lieu of that, if you could provide the first names of your great grandparents, approximate ages in 1906, where they eventually settled, and how they eventually spelled the family name, I might be able to shed some light on this.
Meanwhile, based on your great grandfather's roots, I'm with Phil K here and would bet that your great grandmother was from Galicia. My maternal grandfather came to the US as a child in 1905 and always said he was "from Austria," but it was quite obvious that he was from Austria-Hungary, not modern Austria. Not long after I got into family research I learned he was from Strzyzow, which is now in SE Poland. I even found his birth record, which was appropriately bi-lingual - Polish and German.
Found a marriage record on ancestry. Also, try family search. If you need help translating, I will be happy to help you. Good luck.
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Gesher Galicia is not JewishGen, we are a separate and independent organization with our own membership and our own website. This is one of the many benefits of being a paid member of Gesher Galicia.
Past President, JGSPBCI
Gesher Galicia Board member
JRI-Poland Town Leader Boryslaw and Drohobycz
Boca Raton, FL
On Monday, June 8, 2020, 08:46:24 AM EDT, <dsmd@...> wrote:
Those of us who don’t have Galician ancestors would benefit from this webinar and in my opinion it should be made available to all Jewish Gen members, since the information is not specific to Galicia. I hope you will consider opening it to everyone.
On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:47 PM, Steven Turner wrote:
Thank you for this excellent suggestion. One can imagine RABKA, spoken or written in Yiddish ( ראבקה), coming to be pronounced as RUH-Beh-Kuh (?)...maybe. Looks like it had a tiny jewish population (48 in 1880, 172 in 1921), according to the jewishgen link, so there won't be a ton of material out there, I would assume.
This one will be easier to answer, I think: the jewishgen link for "RABKA" (https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Community.php?usbgn=-524684) has the district as "Myslenice"...is that related to / the same as "Mikulince"?
The Family Names I Search #names
Every once in a while I want to put all of the family names I search out there with the hope of new, solid connections. It doesn’t hurt to try, right?
Besides the U.S., the countries involved are: Australia, Canada, England, Lithuania, Poland, South Africa, and the Ports of Tampico or Vera Cruz, Mexico (for Beral William “Willy” COHEN).
Sandi (Blumenthal) Root
BADESCH, BANUS /BENESH /BENESCH /BENIS /BENNITZ /BENITEZ /BENNISH /BEINASH /BEINASHOWITZ, BECKERMAN, BLOCK /BLOCH, BLUMENTHAL /BLUM, BRODY, CHEKOWSKI /CHEKOFSKI, COHEN /KAHAN /KAGAN, EICHEL, FRIEDLEN, FRIEDMAN, GALINA, GOLD, GREENBERG, GUTKOWSKY /GOOD, HANAK, HARWICK, HERRE, JANKELOWITZ /JACOBSON, KRIZANSKI, LIEBOVITCH /LEIBOWITZ, MANNE, MENDELSON, MICHELSON, NIDER, OFFMAN /HOFFMAN, PETERS, PISER, ROTHCHILD, SCHNEIDERMAN /SNYDERMAN, SUVALKER /SUVALSKI, TABACK, WEIL, WHATLEY, ZIVETZ
If both spouses spoke Yiddish exclusively, this indicates that they came from the East - eastern Poland, western Ukraine.
Novograd was located in Volhynia and today belongs to the Ukrainian oblast of Shitomir. Adjacent to it to the west was the Austrian crown land of Galicia and Lodomeria, which today belongs largely to Ukraine. If the great-grandmother was born in Austria, this most likely meant Galicia and Lodomeria. Here I would look for the place in question.
I only recognize "Rub" for sure, the rest of the name is ambiguous. In the relevant gazetteers I haven't found a trace so far.
I suggest Rabka, Poland, which at the time was in the Austrian Empire. Search "Rubacca" with the Sounds Like option in the JewishGen Community Database.
The province of Galicia changed hands through the years between Poland, Russia, & Austria.
My GGF said he was from Austria. It was the part of Austria near Ternopil Ukraine.
I've also seen internal vowels contracted. For example, my name Karlin was sometimes Karolin.
Re: Bukowski/Shapiro family - Nizhne-Studënyy #ukraine
Nizhne-Studënyy is in Zakarpattia (Transcarpathia) Oblast of SW Ukraine at grid ref N 48°42′00″ E 23°22′00″.
It’s closer to the Slovakian and Hungarian border and the towns of Uzhhorod and Ivano-Frankivsk than to Lviv/Lvov which is some way to the north. See if there are records in the municipal/district archives of those 2 towns or the capital of Zakarpattia.
Carole Shaw, London UK
WOLFSBERGEN, BOSMAN: Holland
ZANDGRUNDT (plus variations), SANDGROUND: Warsaw, London and beyond
JACOBOVITCH/JACKSON: Staszow, Poland & London
KOSKOVITCH/KENTON: Staszow, Poland & London