Re: Descendants of Dutch Jews. Any interest? #general


Hi Roberta
Your comment about reverting back to the patronymic surname is very interesting, because Jewish people had to register a name in 1811 during the French occupation of the Netherlands. Abraham Levy Joel VOGEL was also known as Albert Leopold VOGEL. He was born on 1 June 1796 in The Hague and is reputed to have died on 18 Feb 1855 in Cleveland, Ohio. His father was Levy Joel VOGEL, born about 1748 in Amsterdam and died on 23 Nov 1833 in The Hague. His father was Joel [Samuel] Levy [VOGEL], born about 1714 in Amsterdam [?] and died on 10 Mar 1771 in The Hague. 
Levy Joel VOGEL had been named Levy Joel when he registered the VOGEL name on 31 Dec 1811 [see p. 94 of the publication "Naamsaanneming en behoud door Hoogduitse Joden in 1811" by Sv E Veldhuijzen, published in The Hague 1982]. At the registration, he recorded his son Abraham Levy Joel, then 16 years old.
Would Abraham Levy Joel VOGEL have reverted to Abraham Levy Joel, once in the USA?
Looking forward to your comments.
Nick Lambrechtsen, NZ

Re: US Naturalization Papers from the Supreme Court #usa #general


Hi Daniela,

I found them in the National Archives online Catalog, which is a little different than the National Archives website itself.

At the catalog I searched initially for "Supreme Court of Washington, DC," then narrowed my results to "series" of records.  I opened a few results before finding one showing that exact court name as the "creator" or originator of the records, then clicked on that court name to list all the records of that entity.  In those results I found what appear to be the pertinent records.  I hope that explanation made sense.

Marian Smith

Re: Searching for Ann Muriel PINKUS , Daily City, California #usa

sharon yampell

And Daly City does not have an A in Daly…it’s outside of San Francisco.


Sharon F. Yampell

Voorhees, NJ USA



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Subject: Re: [] Searching for Ann Muriel PINKUS , Daily City, California #usa


The area code for Camarillo, CA, 388-xxxx phone numbers is 805 (not 806).

(However, Amarillo, TX, is 806!)

Stephen Weinstein
Camarillo, CA, not TX.


Re: "Mother" (But Not "Husband") On a Married Woman's Grave #general


I came across a similar situation during the same decade.  Husband was a widower raising a young child.  He remarried 6 months following the death of his first wife.  By the time the headstone was ordered and placed for the unveiling,
he was married to his second wife.  I found it sad that the deceased was not recognized as a beloved wife, but it may have been considered disrespectful to his new living wife.

Finding Family Grajewo and Szcuzyn Podlaskie Poland #poland

Esther Brill

I am looking for information about my paternal grandparents and great grandparents and any siblings and children of these people  I only became interested in genealogy only  2 years ago. As only 1 of 2 grandchildren left, I  had no information about them although I did know my father's parent's names.  Additionally, name changes have made it especially difficult,  Most, if not all, of the names came from my grandparents' marriage registration found in JRI Poland

Looking for information related to paternal grandparents,  great grandparents, and their children. Most of the names come from my grandparents' marriage registration and discovered through a beginning Geneology course from JewishGen with Nancy Holden. 

(1)GGF Mordechai Jablonsky b 1828* died before 1888 as cited in his son’s marriage certificate

                 Listed as Mortchaj on his son’s marriage registration on JRI  - lived in Szcuzcyn, Poland

-          Married 1846 to

GGM – Leja (Leia) Grossman b 1828 died before 1888 daughter of of Leybka Grosman and Basia Mendelsohn  *

=this information was also found relatively recently  on Grossman family tree which referred to Landsmen, 5-4 p57 #39 and also listed children below

Also referred to a father of Mordechai as Danowich  zLeybka– no other info found

(2) GA i. CHAJA FEJGA JABLONSKI  b 1848 in Szczuczyn (Landsmen,5-4 p57 #39) No other information

      GF ii. YANKEL GERSZ JABLONSKI (1863(or -1913)***   Hebrew name: Elchanan David

(1)               Married   a) Chaja Remba 24 Feb 1884 to daughter of Lejba Remba and Pawia nee Losewska) (registered in Szczuzcyn). (JRI Poland Atka/Record 5)


(2)           GM           b) ESTERA GOLDBERG  b. (daughter of Szelma/Shlomo Goldberg son of and Branna Trcianska  daughter of Aron and Dweuara  on 28 Dec 1888, registered Jan 9 in  Grajewo Poland (From JRI Atka 34

*** Jankil/Yankel  1911 emigrated to US as David Levin ( manifest of SS Bremen) but was known as David Levine, although referred to as  Jacob on daughter Sara’s NYC marriage license

                                His Manifest cited wife, Ester Jablonski as relative at home and   Ilia Lewin – could be brother or b-in L at 229 Broome St. NYC very hard to make out but name found through census records Isaac Lewin, wife Rebecca and children

-          Died Nov 31, 1913 – homicide – caught by gunfire between police and gangster (
The New York Times, Dec 1, 1913,
Gangster's Victim Dies: Shot By Max Cohen Whom Policeman Kills Moments Later)


-          Found a Yankel Jablonsky in Statue of Liberty’s earlier than 1911 but doesn’t seem to account for dates of children’s  births


Ester emigrated May 1917 as Esther Jablonski  with 4 of her 5 children, Oldest son Modechai remained  in Poland and going to same name as David cited but this time at 52 Suffolk – census reveals same names in household

-          She died June 1932 .  – however, her tombstone has  the name Goldberg – have found no records for marriage, her death, and at present can’t find her tombstone Cemetary gave me a different  Ester Goldberg and a different plot.

-          -Have  not been able to trace her once she reached NYC

Would also like to trace Isaac Lewin to determine exact relationship.  A sister named Zlate is named in marriage registration, but Isaac’s wife is named Rebecca.  Have not been able to identify any siblings for Estere, nor her parents and grandparents - I would be grateful for any assistance 


Re: "Mother" (But Not "Husband") On a Married Woman's Grave #general

Richard Oppenheimer

The one placing the head stone generally decides upon the inscription. Usually it is the surviving spouse, sibling, or child. If the couple was divorced, then the one writing the inscription may not want to state "Loving Wife". 

Re: synagogue memorial plaques #JewishGenUpdates

Nolan Altman

A memorial Plaques Database IS a great idea.  That’s why we started one in 20917.  :} 


Please see for the home page for that database, which works the same as JOWBR.  If anyone wants to submit data/photos, please see or send your questions to me at NAltman@...




Re: Queens, NY cemeteries and Florence Marmor #general

David Lewin

At 20:51 09/06/2020, edlfrank@... wrote:
In 2001, I found a site called "International Jewish Cemetery Project".  Under New York City - Queens, I found a goldmine; 19 pages full of detailed info on the cemeteries, especially the one I am interested in, Bayside, also sometimes called Acacia or Mokom Sholom.  The website gave a Florence Marmor, David Priever and David Gevertzman as the collectors of the data.  There was 3 pages just on this one cemetery.  Florence had a website fmarmor@....  The site was still active in December of 2006.

I urge anyone interested in this county to give this site a try.

Ed Frank
Sun City Center, FL

I am currently working on the late Florence Marmor Data - some 35000 entries for Mokkom Sholom, Bayside and Accacia cemeteries.

I have been searching for any surviving co-workers whose information Florence collected.

I am happy to look up anything you want to know in this "work in progress"

David Lewin

Interactive Map of Jewish Cultural Heritage in Lithuania #lithuania

Jan Meisels Allen



Jewish Heritage Lithuania has created an interactive map of the Jewish cultural heritage in Lithuania.


The map now has more than 200 hotspots that offer information and images about Jewish shtetls and communities, surviving brick and wooden synagogues and other communal buildings, and places associated with famous Litvaks.


The purpose of the map is to encourage travel around Lithuania.


An English version of the map is planned to be launched by the end of summer. I was able to list English as chosen language in the drop down box and the  sites I clicked on were translated into English.  I also used Chrome as my browser.


The map was developed as part of an EU co-funded project.

To view the map go to:


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Searching for Ann Muriel PINKUS , Daily City, California #usa

Stephen Weinstein

The area code for Camarillo, CA, 388-xxxx phone numbers is 805 (not 806).

(However, Amarillo, TX, is 806!)

Stephen Weinstein
Camarillo, CA, not TX.

Re: tracing American relatives #usa

Stephen Weinstein

Not sure if they did newspaper ads, but try the Red Cross International Tracing Service

Stephen Weinstein
Camarillo, CA, USA

Re: Vetting family tree submissions to genealogy sites for data soundness #general

EdrieAnne Broughton

Using the big sites, I mean Ancestry primarily and FamilySearch, can be very helpful as long as the sites are used judiciously.  
When looking at trees, I only use them with skepticism.  I look at the number of sources that the maker used.  I completely discount data where the only sources are 'because I said so' and only a little more at what 'Granny said'.  I only completely trust primary sources that I've seen images of.  Those include birth records for birth dates and mothers names...a little less for fathers listed.  Death certificates for death information but less for birth information because that information is only as good as the knowledge of the informant.  You have to remember that 100 years ago children didn't have to fill out forms with parents' full names every year, from kindergarten to college and beyond.  I found that one of my husband's ancestors wrote a biography of his father in the 1840s.  The man didn't know his father's first name so he just used Sylvester.  The names of this writer's contemporaries were correct but the previous generation, he didn't have a clue.  Most people discounted the events described however I think the stories were correct.  I still have a few doubters but most of the family researchers I've convinced that the bio events are true.
When an Ancestry hint is wrong, I use their form for why I ignored their hint...remember, someone might just accept the hint assuming it's right.  And I give the reason for rejecting the hint.  Some, like SAR applications, I just reject on principle as those were rarely properly vetted.  I discount Pedigree files, Millenium Files and other trees just for the same reason.  I'm a Californian who has a wide tree that goes back to earliest Virginia and would be prohibitively expensive to research in all the places my ancestors lived.  I got into Jewish genealogy as a challenge.  I have a nephew by marriage who is too busy to do his own research.  He spends time in other parts of the world doing research far from comfy studies.  My biggest handicap is my rudimentary German and complete lack of Hebrew,Yiddish or even Russian.  My best asset is growing up age 8-16 in a Jewish neighborhood with many friends with parents and grandparents from Eastern Europe.  In our larger community were Armenians and Italians.
People who just accept a piece of new information without two documents supporting their hypothesis are foolish and I wish there was some way to trash their work...there isn't.  Just make sure your research is the best you can make it, and take your time, don't speed.
                        EdrieAnne Broughton  
                        Jewish Gen member for 20 years

Re: synagogue memorial plaques #JewishGenUpdates

Daniel Mann

Synagogues sometimes keep member information such as family lists & yahrzeits of deceased family that the member observes .
They also may have lists of how the person is called up to the Torah.  This will tell you his & his father's proper Hebrew names.
I am aware of someone who made a nice discovery this way.
I myself regret that I only pursued this avenue after the synagogue moved & these lists may have been discarded.
I hope this tip proves helpful to some.
Daniel Mann
CHALUTA Belarus.
SHERESHEVSKY Belarus esp Bialystok & Svisloch
AIDELMAN Belarus (Orly ?)
MANN Galicia esp Ulashkivtsi, Chortkiv, and Kopyczyńce
MANN  Vienna Austria

Re: Translation from Russian - Pictures (LEBEDENKO/LEBEDENCO family) #photographs #russia #romania #translation #ukraine

Dr.Josef ASH

You have here 4 pictures.
from below:
Written in Russian: "Russian Bapthise Sosciety on the day of founding - Varna 17 IV 1932"
next up:  :"J. Belaniuk 13.6.1948" the photographer's name. Ukrainian surname (as well as Lebedenko). THe nombers shoud be written on the back side of the picture with the names...
next up: on the sign board above the entrance in Russian: "Greetings to all the baptists. The 6th congress SSBB (don't know this abbreviation)"
Written : "Festive meeting of the 6-th congress June 13, 1940, esperanso"
with names: you can read them. one of them is russian Kiril.Pestina looks like the woman's Russian surname
Ogurtsova is the Russian surname

Re: RAND from Lutowiska #galicia #general

Sherri Bobish

Sally is correct.  I have a RAND from Baligrod that married into my WALTZMAN family.

Baligrod is not far Lutowiska, from which I also have family.


Sherri Bobish

Seeking MENDELSON descendants with surname DOCTOROW/DOCTOROFF and VOLL/WOLL/WALL #belarus #usa


Hi All
For many years I have been obsessively researching my Mendelson ancestry. I am always looking to fill in the gaps with help from other connections. One of my many Mendelson ancestry was a Blume mendelson who married a moishe doctorow. They settled in Massachusetts. I would love to make contact with descendants and share information. I believe the daughter Helen married a max Voll/Woll who also was a Mendelson descendant. Seeking to get any contact from any of those families so we can hopefully fill in the blanks. I hope I am posting this correctly, with the new parameters for I am clueless about these hastags. So if you are a Mendelson descendant from Mogilev or Shklove Belarus please contact me.

Sarah Greenberg (USA)

Mount Judah cemetery, Mount Sinai plot #usa #general

Alan Reische

Two of my grandparents are buried in the Mount Sinai Plot of the Mount
Judah Cemetery - Louis and Mamie (Stein) Reische. I've hit a stone wall
in determining where Louis came from originally, although evidence
points to the vicinity of Rzeszow Galicia (now Southeastern Poland).
I've checked both with the Cemetery itself and with the current
adminstrator of the temple to see if the Plot was allocated to a
specific lamdsmannschaft but they have only information linking the Plot
to Mount Sinai Synagogue, none of it furthering the inquiry.

Is there anything in this limited information that would hint at the
country or region of origin? Am I missing some obvious source of

Re: Possible Americanized Given Names #belarus #names

Molly Staub

Here's a record from my tree. I had never heard of Gedalia before; it looks like he went by Joseph.

Joseph Gedalia Wasserman

Birthabt 1904 Ostropol, Russia

Death22 Jul 1938 Phila., PA Age 39

sources (15) records (12)

Happy hunting, Molly Arost Staub

Re: synagogue memorial plaques #JewishGenUpdates

Neil Kominsky

I am 100% in favor of the memorial plaques project, which has wide coverage here in Massachusetts.  A word of caution, however: Get permission from the synagogue before you start copying.  I have encountered folks who have privacy concerns and are not comfortable about the information going online.  Frustrating as it is, they are entitled to say no.

(Rabbi) Neil Kominsky
Brookline, MA

researching Blitstein (Vitebsk), Rothstein (Poland?), Samson (Iasi), Chalit (Odessa), Kominsky (Aleksandriya, Ukraine), Medvedovsky (Nikolaev, Ukraine), Frank (Altenschoenbach, Lower Franconia), Rosenbaum (Kunreuth, Bavaria), Pentlarz/ Pentlarge (Hostovice, Bohemia), Kleemann (Werneck, Bavaria), May (Wolfisheim, Alsace)

Re: RAND from Lutowiska #galicia #general

Alexander Sharon

Rand was actually very popular family name in Galicia.
JRI-P lists total 1,431 entries for surname Rand, mostly in Krakow (697 entries) and Lwow (540 entries) regions.
Rand surname appears 118 times within the Lutowiska (district Lesko) township alone.
Debora Rand was a landowner in Lutowiska , and Rand family also own an alcohol distillery which was usually connected to the land ownership.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB

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