Re: Seeking researcher for Galati, and possibly Braila, Romania #romania


Hi Iris
Would you share your researcher in Galati? My ggrandfather died in Galati. I know it was an accident, but that is all I know. I have a picture of his gravestone, but would love a copy of his death certificate and possibly a news article from a local paper. Maybe if I join in, I can help defray your cost.
Thank you in advance
Deborah Annex

Re: Yiddish or Hebrew name for IDA #belarus #names


Ida seems too Anglicized to be a name used in Eastern Europe.

In addition to Chaya, with its various spellings, in Yiddish the name may have been Itka, whose name in English was Ida.

Keith Osher


Newton, MA

Re: Tombstone Translation #photographs #translation


Here is buried (abbreviation)
Our dear mother
A modest and upstanding woman
Honored and distinguished
Beloved to all who knew her
Mrs Chana Freida daughter of our leader the Rabbi (abbreviation) Yaakov
Died with a good name (abbreviation)13th of Kislev 5673
May her soul be bound in the bonds of everlasting life (abbreviation)

The acronym before her father's name does signify that he was a Rabbi.

Re: Tombstone Translation #photographs #translation


Mary Ellen,

The translation of the gravestone is as follows:
First line: po nikbarah (abbr.) – here lies
Second line: imanu ha’yikarah ­– our dear mother
Third line:  eishet tzenuah v’yesharah – a modest and upright woman
Fourth line:  nichbadah v’choshavah – respected and important
Fifth line:  l’chol yoda’ah v’ahuvah – by all who knew and loved her
Sixth line:  marat Chanah Freida – Mrs. Chanah Freida
Seventh line:  bat mareinu ha’rav (abbr.) Yaakov ­– the daughter of our teacher Rabbi Yaakov
Eighth line:  niftara – who died
Ninth line:  b’shem tov (abbr.) 13th Kislev 5673 ­– with a good name on the 13th of Kislev 5673
Tenth line:  nishmata tsrurah b’tsror ha’chaim (abbr.) – may her soul be bound up in the bond of eternal life

The 13th of Kislev 5673 corresponds to 23 November 1912.
Yours truly,

Re: Tombstone Translation #photographs #translation



Hello Mary Ellen,


Here lies or here is buried (Abbreviation on top)

Our dear mother

Honest and modest

Respected by all who knew her

Mrs. Hannah Frieda

Daughter of Ya’akov

Passed 13 Kislev 1913

May her soul be gathered in eternal life (abbreviation on bottom)

Shalom, Malka Chosnek


Re: Naming pattern - TURKUS #general

Rodney Eisfelder

This naming pattern (given name followed by patronym) was absolutely standard among Ashkenazi Jews before surnames were introduced.
In Eastern Europe the patronym was generally "decorated" by -ovitch or similar. In Hebrew, it was prefixed by ben or bat, but in German speaking countries the patronym was generally undecorated. Many families continued to use patronyms as middle names long after the introduction of surnames in the early 19th century. One famous example is the Orthodox Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch. While wikipedia says his father was Mendel Hirsch*, says his father was Raphael Aryeh Hirsch. So in the rabbi's name, Raphael was a patronym.

Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia
*At least one of sources cited by wikipedia is a family tree that supports the version.

Re: Geni and Family Search #general

Martyn Woolf

The sources used by My Heritage and Geni seem generally to consist only of what can be read on their subscribers' family trees. No genuine sources but you can build a tree of 50,000 people in a week or two and claim ancestry from King Alfred, Tutankhamen or the Queen of Sheba. All a lot of  nonsense.

Re: Seeking researcher for Galati, and possibly Braila, Romania #romania


I have previously had research done for my Iancovici and Sucher families from Galati in Romania - I contacted for the research Dr. Ladislau Gyemant - he advertises in Avotaynu all of the time. Thanks.

Re: Archives of Ukraine records #ukraine


This link gives really varied and detailed information!
And you can get all the links translated into English.
Some of the information is in Polish, so readable for people searching family names etc.
(Other is in Cryllic lettering)
Should be very useful for Ukrainian researchers.
Ann Belinsky

Re: Geography mystery: Did any part of Polish Russia became German between 1880 and 1900? Specifically where? #poland #germany


My paternal grandfather (Schneider) left Chrzandow, Poland in 1914 on a Polish passport. That part of Poland had multiple border changes so he told us he was originally Austrian. Part of that area was in the Austrian Empire in the 1800s.
Barbara (Schneider) Cohen

Iasi, romania #romania #general

Alan Tapper

My wife’s grandparents were both from Iasi.  Any information would be greatly appreciated.

moshe Hochberg .  He served in the military under King Carl the first
Anna Katz came to the US in 1905

Thank you 

Alan Tapper

Re: Tombstone Translation #photographs #translation


Here lies 
Our dear mother
A modest and honest woman 
Honored and respected
Beloved by all who knew her 
Mrs. Chana Fraida
daughter of Mr. Yaakov
Died with good reputation 13 Kislev 5673
May her soul be bound in the bond of everlasting life 

Re: Iasi , Romania research #romania

Ilan Leibowitz


Tried several years ago with no success! Can you possibly help me with any new research?

Thank you,

Ilan Leibowitz


Moderator Note: Please see original message below






Subject: LABOWITCH - Dorohoi, Romania
From: maya@...
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:57:49 +0200
X-Message-Number: 5

Dear Genners,

Seeking information on descendants of my great-grandfather's brother
Aizic Isaac/Yitzhak LABOWITCH.

My great-grandfather Wolf LABOWITCH from Dorohoi son of Reuven Leib, son
of Itzic was born in 1853 - mother's name Mariem - married in 1872
Rifka (Rebecca) Crashmariu.

They had several children and moved to London in the late 1800s where
they had more children, - have a full family tree.

Wolf is known to have had at least one brother called Aizic
(I am confident there were other siblings) whose wife was Rachel and
children Chaia and Nechama (there may have had more) It appears they did not
go to the UK nor remain in Dorohoi after 1900.

If your LABOWITCH (variant spellings) family tree has the above
mentioned persons please contact me privately.

Thank you for your time.

Ilan Leibowitz (Israel)

Kibbutz Afikim

litvaks #lithuania


Looking for any info on Lithuanians  MANDELMAN or COHEN, born in Plonges and went to Jerusalem around 1850.

Peter Ceteris

Re: Tombstone Translation #photographs #translation


Chana Frayda, daughter of Yaakov.

Re: ReMa- Moses ISSERLES family tree #rabbinic


Dear Mr Kaplan,
 My relative Rabbi Reuven Brim of Bnei Brak has written (in my humble opinion) an extraordinary book 'Lemalah Bakodesh' about the Ullmann family tree. The first 'famous ullmann' was Rabbi Shimon Ginzburg-Ullmann, whose son R' Eliezer married the Rema's daughter. 
I hope that helps.
I am interested in genealogy. if you have any info, I would be pleased to hear from you.
Kind Regards,
CA Ullmann

Re: Yiddish or Hebrew name for IDA #belarus #names


My mother's Jewish name was Itta. When she started school (in North Carolina, USA) her teacher wrote her name as Ida.
Shifra Stein Stahl
Jerusalem, Israel

Re: Cohanim and Levites #dna

rv Kaplan

The abbreviation Bet Resh (B'R) in Hebrew stands for Ben Reb, or 'son of Mr.'  So not sure about surnames starting with BR.  Can't think of any examples - can anyone?
Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 at 09:43, <rich.meyersburg@...> wrote:
I remember reading that for many Jewish names beginning with BR, the BR stands for ben Rabbi.
You would have to read up on this.
Rich Meyersburg



Re: Naming pattern - TURKUS #general

Sue Frank

My understanding is that patronymics were commonly used until about the mid 19th century among Ashkenazi Jews. However there does seem to be a difference here in that one of my ancestors was Iciek Leibkovich Rosenberg (so, son of Leib), whereas yours don’t appear to have the “kovich” suffix. Maybe this has something to do with the naming custom in the region where they originated rather than where they were living at the time. 
It’s curious, though, and not a common surname either, I don’t think. Is there any family rumour that they may have originated in more southern parts of Europe. Any DNA clues?

Sue Frank
Researching: ROSENBERG, SKOWRONEK, CHENCINER, Warsaw and Serock. 

On 24 Jun 2020, at 02:55, Elaine Farran via <> wrote:

While researching my Turkus ancestry, I noted an interesting series of names which seems odd for Ashkenazi Jews.
These are the names and their relationship to me -
5th  ggrandfather     ELIASZ Turkus
4th  ggrandfather  - DAWID ELIASZ Turkus
Dawid's son - Ahron DAVID Turkus; Dawid's daughter Szosza was my 3rd great-grandmother 
Would this repetition of names be an acceptable pattern for Ashkenazi Jews?
Many thanks
Elaine Farran


Cambridgeshire, UK


Re: Iasi , Romania research #romania


Thank you, Teodora;
  I am looking for information about my grandfather, Abraham "Avram" Rappaport and his parents and siblings. He was born in Mihaileni, ~1888, but lived in Bacau for sometime before immigrating to Vienna Austria. He was the son of Eliezer "Leizer" and Clara Rappaport. I am interested in the birth, marriage and death records for Leizer and Clara and only the birth record for Avram because I already have his marriage and death records. I'd like to find out anything I can about the family of Leizer and Clara Rappaport. Any guidance will be much appreciated.
Judith Rapaport Sternberg
Boise, Idaho  USA

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