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Re: Geni and Family Search #general

Max Heffler
 

I enjoy using geni/MyHeritage and Ancestry to bounce back and forth, filling in many records and blanks, but it does consume a significant amount of time. I have over 21500 hints on outstanding on Ancestry. More blanks filled in present more record hints. I have less than 1300 record and tree matches left on MyHeritage.

From: main@... <main@...> on behalf of Alyssa Freeman via groups.jewishgen.org <tsiporah.shani=gmail.com@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:59 AM
To: main@... <main@...>
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Geni and Family Search #general
 
      I take issue with the majority of sources on My Heritage and Geni being from trees. Both sides have Social Security, Census, birth, death, and marriage records and public records, among others. They're not perfect and it's harder to find evidence for ancestors who lived their entire lives outside an English speaking country, but that's where Jewish Gen and Family Search can be helpful.  My main tree is on MH. I don't have record matches for every single person, but I do have them for a lot of them. With Geni, even though Geni is linked to My Heritage, I find a lot of errors, since their goal is to make one giant family tree of the Jewish people and you can edit someone else's tree. However, I've gotten a lot of relatives from other people's trees there that have had record matches come up once I add them to My Heritage. I have found some famous people in my tree - no kings or queens but a couple of artists, musicians, and writers - and I've verified all them. Only one of them had I ever heard of before. Only once did one turn out to be wrong, and it was someone I got from a tree in Geni. 
     My mom uses Ancestry. She finds things that I haven't and I find things that she hasn't and we sometimes correct each other, so I'd say those two are about equal. Family Search tends not to have as many living relatives in their records from foreign countries but they do have records from many other countries - except Israel. My guess as to why is because FS is run by the Mormons.
 
Alyssa Freeman
Henrico, VA
FAVILYUKIS, BOTNIK, DIKERMAN, SUSSMAN, KALLNER, FRIEMAN, FREIMAN, KAPLINSKY, LEVANISKY, GORDON, MARKEL, SHACHAR, SHAPIRO

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Web sites I manage - Personal home page, Greater Houston Jewish Genealogical Society, Woodside Civic Club, Skala, Ukraine KehilalLink, Joniskelis, Lithuania KehilaLink, and pet volunteer project - Yizkor book project: www.texsys.com/websites.html
tombstone translation #translation

Leya Aronson
 

Hello,
I cannot figure out how to answer the tombstone request by Mary Ellen.
However all the guesses as to what the Bet Shin Tet before the date of death stands for 
BESAIVA TOVA...in old age [literally with good wisdom]
Sorry but I cannot type in Hebrew on this computer.
 
Leya Aronson
Toronto
June 29: Zoom genealogy webinar from Center for Jewish History #events

Moriah Amit
 

Family History Today: Jewish Refugees & the U.S.-Mexico Border
Watch Live on Zoom - Monday, June 29, 6 PM ET

Between the world wars, more than 200,000 Jewish refugees fleeing Europe and the Middle East found a safe haven in Latin America, where immigration restrictions were less stringent and more easily circumvented than in the U.S. and British-controlled Palestine. While some of these refugees permanently settled in Latin America, many more emigrated again, primarily to the U.S. and Israel. In this presentation, Moriah Amit, the Center for Jewish History’s senior genealogy librarian, will explore the lesser-known history of Jewish refugee immigration to the U.S. via Latin America. Additionally, for those whose ancestors came to America through this route, Moriah will explain how to locate records that will shed light on their journey.

Ticket Info: Pay what you wish at jewishrefugees.bpt.me or 800-838-3006 to receive a link to the Zoom program.

This program is sponsored by the Ackman & Ziff Family Genealogy Institute; it is supported, in part, by public funds from the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs in partnership with the City Council.

Moriah Amit
Center for Jewish History
New York, NY
Re: Archives of Ukraine records #ukraine

DarrenL
 

Thanks for posting this. 
My understanding is that not all of these original documents are currently translated and indexed in Jewishgen. Is that correct? 
What would be the best way to have them translated?

Thanks,
Darren Lubotsky
Re: Geni and Family Search #general

Alyssa Freeman
 

      I take issue with the majority of sources on My Heritage and Geni being from trees. Both sides have Social Security, Census, birth, death, and marriage records and public records, among others. They're not perfect and it's harder to find evidence for ancestors who lived their entire lives outside an English speaking country, but that's where Jewish Gen and Family Search can be helpful.  My main tree is on MH. I don't have record matches for every single person, but I do have them for a lot of them. With Geni, even though Geni is linked to My Heritage, I find a lot of errors, since their goal is to make one giant family tree of the Jewish people and you can edit someone else's tree. However, I've gotten a lot of relatives from other people's trees there that have had record matches come up once I add them to My Heritage. I have found some famous people in my tree - no kings or queens but a couple of artists, musicians, and writers - and I've verified all them. Only one of them had I ever heard of before. Only once did one turn out to be wrong, and it was someone I got from a tree in Geni. 
     My mom uses Ancestry. She finds things that I haven't and I find things that she hasn't and we sometimes correct each other, so I'd say those two are about equal. Family Search tends not to have as many living relatives in their records from foreign countries but they do have records from many other countries - except Israel. My guess as to why is because FS is run by the Mormons.
 
Alyssa Freeman
Henrico, VA
FAVILYUKIS, BOTNIK, DIKERMAN, SUSSMAN, KALLNER, FRIEMAN, FREIMAN, KAPLINSKY, LEVANISKY, GORDON, MARKEL, SHACHAR, SHAPIRO
Holocaust Survivors located in Holland #holocaust

Lande
 

The USHMM has linked digitized documents with 24,133 names in the existing collection Dutch Survivor Lists in the Holocaust Survivors and Victims database.  This collection, indexed by Jewishgen volunteers in 2011,  includes a number of lists obtained from the Jewish Historical Museum in Amsterdam.  It consists of lists of survivors located in various parts of Holland.  While most were Dutch, the collection includes a  large numbers of German Jews,  who emigrated to Holland both before and after the war.
 
The names can be searched and viewed in the combined collection, Dutch Survivor Lists (https://www.ushmm.org/online/hsv_view.php?Sourceid=27995) and also under each individual town list.  You may request the associated PDF documents by submitting a request through each name record and receive the document immediately in your email.
 
Peter Lande
Washington, D.C.
Re: Tombstone Translation #photographs #translation

fredelfruhman
 

I am standing “on the shoulders” of the above replies in composing my response.

 

Here lies

 

Our dear mother

 

A modest and honest woman

 

Beloved to all those who knew her

 

Mrs. CHANNAH FREEDA/FRAYDA

 

daughter of our teacher the rabbi Yaakov

 

died

 

with a good reputation [on the] 13th of Kislev 5673

 

May her soul be bound up in the bond of life.

 

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The Hebrew spelling of her middle name (with one ‘Yud’) makes me lean towards the pronunciation “Freeda”; Frayda would more commonly be spelled with two Yuds.  However, either is possible.

 

The abbreviation before her father’s name definitely indicates that he was a rabbi (having rabbinical ordination; not necessarily being a pulpit rabbi).  Occasionally, this abbreviation is included in error.  In this case, with the excellent Hebrew on the stone, I feel that the composers of the text were knowledgeable. 

 

It is common to see the abbreviation Bet-Shin-Tet on a gravestone.  Hebrew abbreviations can have multiple readings; this depends upon the context.  The abbreviation “b’shaah tovah”, which means “in a good time” is used for happy occasions (for example, upon hearing that a woman is expecting, one might say “b’shaah tovah”, in a good time, expressing the wish that baby be born at a favorable hour).  I cannot see anyone feeling that someone had died “at a good time”.  Thus the reading here would be “b’shem tov”, with a good name.  As I mentioned in my earlier reply, gravestones have no punctuation; they are full of run-on sentences, with phrases often being broken up by the engraver according to how they best fit on each line.  The phrase ‘died with a good name on such-and-such a date’ often appears on gravestones, no matter the day of the week upon which the death occurred.

 

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I’d like to repeat what I’ve written several times in the past.  The ViewMate feature of jewishgen is an excellent place to post images of gravestones, which have their own category among the many types of images that can be placed there.  If you want to make readers of the daily digest aware that you have a gravestone to translate, you can simply post that you’ve uploaded a gravestone image, and include the direct link to the ViewMate item.  Replies are automatically sent to the poster.-- 

Fredel Fruhman,  Brooklyn, New York, USA
Re: Geography mystery: Did any part of Polish Russia became German between 1880 and 1900? Specifically where? #poland #germany

avivahpinski@verizon.net
 

Do you have the Polish passport? I would be very surprised to see a
Polish passport issued in 1914. Before the end of WWI, Poland was
divided up between the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Russian Empire. 
The area around Gdansk/Danzig was under Prussia & Germany.
Poland was not a political entity, as a country, until after the First
World War!

My father's Polish passport, which I have, from 1920, and was issued to
him by the Polish Embassy in Paris, where he was living at the time.

Avivah R. Z. Pinski ,  near Philadelphia, USA
Re: Historic Synagogues of Europe #general #unitedkingdom

Efraim
 

I love to go to and to photograph synagogues in every city I visit. Here is the link to my photo galleries of synagogues of Europe:
Synagogues-of-Europe
When was this picture taken? #photographs #germany

Susan Lubow
 

This picture was taken in Germany, but can anyone identify at least the decade?

 

 

Susan Lubow

Researching: SCHWARZ, HIRSCHINGER, AMSEL

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 
Re: Tombstone Translation #photographs #translation

fredelfruhman
 

There are a number of discrepancies among the replies that were given.  I hope to come back with a full reading later.

Meanwhile, I would like to point out:

1.  Her middle name might have been pronounced Freeda, rather than Fraydah.

2.  There is an abbreviation in front of her father's name that indicates that he was a rabbi, as at least one person pointed out.

3.  As to the abbreviation immediately preceding the date of death:  Gravestones have no punctuation and are full of run-on sentences.  This abbreviation -- despite its location -- means "with a good name/reputation".  It does not mean "at a good time",  even if the date of death might have been a Sabbath. 
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Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA
Re: Yiddish or Hebrew name for IDA #belarus #names

susan.wolman
 

Sometimes Chaya becomes Ida.   
Also Ida is sometimes from Eidel - sweet/gentle - in Yiddish
 
Susan WOLMAN 
researching
WOLMAN - Minsk, Minsk, Belarus, Brooklyn, Albany, NY
PALEY - Shatsk, Minsk, Belarus, New York, Albany, NY Sharon, Fairfield, CT
COHEN/KAGAN - Gudel, Lithuania, Corona, NY
POLIANSKY - Lithuania, Camden, NJ, Corona, NY
 
Re: Photographs of Lodz Cemetery #poland

Robert Murowchick
 

Although they are not organized at all, you can find some 560 images of tombstones in the Lodz New Jewish cemetery in this Wikimedia collection
Wikimedia Commons collection of Lodz cemetery photos
The quality of the photos is terrific, but unfortunately none of the names have been transcribed, so there is no way to search the collection. As a crowd-sourced Wiki site, though, users can log in (by setting up a free Wiki account) and can then edit or add to each image's caption, so those of you who are talented transcribers could make a huge contribution here. 

A map and burial lists of the Lodz Ghetto Cemetery can be found at the following link, but there are no photos
http://www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/ce/ghetto/lodz-ghetto-cemetery.htm
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Robert Murowchick    <robertmurowchick AT gmail.com>
Needham, Massachusetts USA

Researching these family links:
MUROWCHICK/MURAWCHICK/MURAWCZYK etc (David-Gorodok, Belarus, New Jersey, Chicago)
KUNECK/KONIK/KYONIK (Kozhan-Gorodok, Belarus)
EPSTEIN/EPSTINE (Gavish/Gavieze, Liepaja, Latvia)
SEGAL/SIEGEL (Tilsit, Koenigsburg, Germany; Baltimore; Chicago)
Re: Finding image on LDS microfilm from index #general

Moishe Miller
 

Hello,
 
Sally Bruckheimer indicates that the "Vaz Dias Collectie" used to be LDS Microfilm #'s 899932 and 899933. Searching for those numbers on FamilySearch, does seem to still show them as she describes:
 
  • Collectie Vaz Diaz; ondertrouw akten A-D 1600-1811; Film #899932, DGS 7989290
  • Collectie Vaz Diaz; notariele akten, enz. E-M; Film #899933, DGS 7989291
 
Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
Re: Yiddish or Hebrew name for IDA #belarus #names

Joan A. Baronberg
 

My great grandmother's (Yiddish) name was Eiga, sometimes spelled in English as Aega. One time someone wrote her name as Ida, but that was definitely not her name.

Joan Baronberg
MESTER, WEISSER, FRIEDMAN
Re: Seeking researcher for Galati, and possibly Braila, Romania #romania

lisab5308@...
 

Hi Iris,

Please let me know if your researcher comes through.  Thanks.

LISA BRACCO
Re: Seeking researcher for Galati, and possibly Braila, Romania #romania

lisab5308@...
 

Hi Jeff, 
Could you provide contact information for Dr. Gyemant?  You can send directly to me at lisa5bracco4@....  Thanks.

LISA
Re: Tombstone Translation #photographs #translation

David Barrett
 

May I respectfully pass comment on the Hebrew abbreviations of   בש''ט .
In this particular case as they appear by/with the date they must refer to the date and NOT to her personality ,all listed above the date.
So in this  case the abbreviations mean " at a good time" = בשעה טובה -- meaning ON SHABBAT - check the 1912 calendar!
Re: Looking for information about my family from Yedenitz #bessarabia

R Jaffer
 

When you click on the reply button, the text box appears. After typing your reply, you will see a green button to post reply to all, a red button to discard your messages and a white button on the right to make your message private, i.e. send only to the person who wrote the message. I will choose to reply to group so others can see this message.
Roberta Jaffer
Massachusetts, USA
Re: Cohanim and Levites #dna

jgw111@...
 

The R1a Levites are Ashkenazim.    A small majority of Sephardic   Levites are haplogroup J   ----nothing more specific
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