Re: Geography mystery: Did any part of Polish Russia became German between 1880 and 1900? Specifically where? #poland #germany

Anna Doggart

My grandfather whose family came from Minsk, now Belarus, was put as a Pole on a letter to British Home office applying to come to live and work in Britain in 1931. As far as we were concerned, he was Russian. He was born in 1876 we think in Minsk. He lived for a short time in Orsha, also now Belarus but at that time, like Minsk, part of the Russian Empire. He spoke Russian. His sons when they applied to come to Britain recorded themselves as Russian. My grandfather left Minsk in late 1918 or early 1919. We think maybe the Poles were there around that time and he got papers from them? Once he had left, he like other emigres would have lost his Russian citizenship under Lenin’s decree that all those who left would no longer be Russian and so he would be stateless and presumably unable to apply to come to Britain as a Russian. Of course he only left under duress as he was told that he was I on a death list and frightened of pogroms. He took his wife and children to Bad Kreuznach in Germany, hoping to return home when things settled down but that was impossible so he went to Berlin. By 1930 he was applying From Berlin to come to Britain. The Kew records office provided us with copies of his letters to and from the Home office. He gained permission for himself, his wife and one son in 1932. His other 4 children were left behind in Germany. We’d love to understand why he wrote himself down as a Pole so like you we want to know if and when Minsk was ruled by Poles and if they did issue identification papers to Minsk residents and if so, why. By the way his other 4 children all managed to get out during 1930s and survived.
Thanks Anna Doggart

Re: What is an "instrument"? #general

Chana Bonn

If this information is from a transcription, perhaps the word should have been transcribed "interment".

Re: Tombstone Translation #photographs #translation


I want to thank Debbie Lifshitz (and Leya Aronson of Toronto, who posted a reply separately) for bringing up a possible reading that had completely slipped my mind:  b'sayvah tovah, meaning that someone had died of a "ripe old age".

I have not looked at life expectancy for those days, but it seems to me -- based upon my own family tree and relatives who died back then -- that 62 may have been considered a "ripe old age" in 1912.  That being said, I have seen this abbreviation immediately before the date of death even on stones of those had died at a much younger age.

It seems to me that EITHER interpretation -- "with a good name" or "at a ripe old age" -- might be correct, and we will probably never know which was intended.
Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA

Re: Seeking information on a village named Horodok, Vilna #lithuania

Alexander Sharon

This town was entered into JGFF database as:  Haradok, (near Molodechno), and there are 134 entries by the Genners for this location in the system.

Re: Tombstone Translation #photographs #translation

Dubin, David M. MD

Hi all,
As to the abbreviation (bet-)shin-tav (ש״ט) I have an ancestor who died at age thirty who had this abbreviation on his stone. Therefore it does not mean “b’seiva tova (in old age). It means “b’shem tov”, that is, with a good reputation. 
David Dubin
Teaneck, New Jersey 

Re: When was this picture taken? #photographs #germany

Jx. Gx.

I would also go with the late 1890s.  But I would also check out pictures in books and those posted online of people in Europe, especially in Germany, and compare the clothing they are wearing with the styles worn in this picture. A great place to start is with the women's dress sleeves and the men's ties and high collars. By the clothing being worn in this picture and the room furnishings, the people seem to be middle to upper-class. 

Jeffrey Geiger

Re: Logistics of emigration from Pale of Settlement to America #lithuania #poland

Emily Rosenberg

I visited Suwalki in 2016 and by lucky chance, went to the railroad station, which was the likely departure place for our ancestors in 1886. There were no trains scheduled when I was there so I stood in the tracks and looked in the distance, imagining what my family and seen and felt  as they went to their new life.  Our fabulous guide explained that today’s sturdy brick station was probably a re placement for the one of my grandfathers era but the track was the same, going to the same places. I have a photo of the station which I am happy to share, just p.m. me if you would like it.

Re: Holocaust Survivors located in Holland #holocaust

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>

On Jun 25, 2020, at 6:17 AM, Carolynne Veffer <carolynne.veffer@...> wrote:

The link gave me an error.

Re: Bielsko-Biala and Kamesznica, Zywiec, Poland; JRI-Poland records #poland

Stanley Diamond

JRI-Poland has recently scanned all available vital records from Bielsko and Biala,
Volunteers have started working on data entry of these records.  Serious volunteers
to help advance the large project are invited to contact volunteer@....
The records of Kamesznica were kept in the books of Zywiec/Zablockie. JRI-Poland
both online data for these towns.
To inquire about records of interest for towns in Poland, write to [townname]
Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.  (Montreal, 514-484-0100)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.
Samuel Unger Family from Bielsko-Biala and Kamesznica, Zywiec, Poland #poland #galicia
From: Joyce Eastman
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 08:15:21 EDT

I am seeking information regarding the spouse and children of Samuel Unger.
Any assistance you can provide regarding the parentage of Augusta and Fani would be most appreciated.

Joyce Eastman

BLUMENTHAL - family relations #germany #usa #general

David Selig

Hi Jewishgenners

I live in Paris.

I am interested in tracing relationships beween -

my grandfather, Erich Blumenthal, born 24.08.1893 in Koenigsberg
(Prussia, Germany)
FATHER - Salomon Blumenthal, born Prussia 1866?
Erich Iived in Germany until 1939, then Australia
died 1946

Daniel (Danny) Blumenthal, born 1910 Koenigsberg

Bn. 23.03.1910 Koenigsberg
Died 1993 (possibly 3rd March) in Germany (reported to US Embassy, Hamburg)
Lived - Bremen... later Cincinatti

Arrived Dec 19th 1946 from Santiago Chile, in NYCity

I woudl particularly like to find his birth certificate.

Thanks for any help
Best wishes to all

Paris, France

Re: Cohanim and Levites #dna

Eva Lawrence

Statements like Michael Tobias's do need a time-frame  and a place marker. Clerks fluent in passengers' languages have to emigrate too at an earlier date,  and not all ports would install such resources at the same time.  I have first-hand evidence of no formal immigration controls in New Orleans in 1852, for instance,  and lax exit control in Antwerp for the same voyage.  In fact, does he mean immigration to America or is he including Britain, where immigration controls were very haphazard.?.   . 
Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.  

Re: Cohanim and Levites #dna

Eva Lawrence

What's more, has Michael Tobias never failed  to make out a surname on a manuscript passenger list?  When typed lists came in his statement  becomes more credible.
Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.

Re: Seeking information on a village named Horodok, Vilna #lithuania


I am referring  to the Horodok listed below - I believe that Horodok is the Hebrew name and Gorodok s Russian. I have been corresponding with this group for many years.  They have a wonderful group of teens and older people who have rebuilt the Horokok Cemetery.  
our grandmother said they were from Horodok, Vilna Gubernya but I have never found anything about the family there.  Names of Sepsenwol, Shepsenvol, Schiff, Shiff, 
are maiden names of the women in the family.  
Haradok, Belarus
54°09' N 26°55' E
32 miles WNW of Minsk
Vilejka District
Vilna Province

Bette Greenfield

Spinka Rebbe Kahana in Beit Shemesh #general

Neil Rosenstein

Trying to make contact with the family Rav Avraham Kahana and his wife Rochel Perl Leifer. A phone number for them ending in 9256 does not work.

Re: Geography mystery: Did any part of Polish Russia became German between 1880 and 1900? Specifically where? #poland #germany


If I were you, I would read up on the town Königsberg, presently Russia, once Prussia etc. Its location is quetched in between north-east Poland and south-west Lithuania. It has changed country owners more times than characters in its name, see:

Re: Holocaust Survivors located in Holland #holocaust

Carolynne Veffer

The link gave me an error.

Re: Archives of Ukraine records #ukraine


I can translate it in english. 


Re: Seeking information on a village named Horodok, Vilna #lithuania

Adam Cherson

Most likely the Horodok you are seeking is this one:

Haradok, Belarus
54°09' N 26°55' E
32 miles WNW of Minsk
Vilejka District
Vilna Province

Re: Libraries with Ancestry Remote Access Through ProQuest Has Been Extended Through July 31 #announcements


For those of us who live in NY, you are entitled to get a library card from the NY Public Library, and they have the remote access to Once you log in to the library, the link is:

Re: Cohanim and Levites #dna


My family name is Kaplan, but I always was told we are not Cohenim. My Haplogroup is G (M201). Do you know which group that would make me?
Leonard Kaplan
Houston, Texas