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Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

JoAnne Goldberg
 

My Lithuanian ancestors arrived in the 1880s pre-Ellis, and since I
haven't found ship manifests I still don't know where they entered the
country, or under what name. However, family lore is that they had to
buy papers to travel from Lithuania to the United States, and could not
get their own so bought them from someone named Goldberg. Possible? And
if so, what became of the paperless Goldbergs left in Lithuania? Curious
if anyone has a similar origin story.
--
JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535
BLOCH, SEGAL, FRIDMAN, KAMINSKY, PLOTNIK/KIN -- LIthuania
GOLDSCHMIDT, HAMMERSCHLAG,HEILBRUNN, REIS(S), EDELMUTH, ROTHSCHILD, SPEI(Y)ER -- Hesse, Germany
COHEN, KAMP, HARFF, FLECK, FRÖHLICH, HAUSMANN,  DANIEL  -- Rhineland, Germany

 


Sapanta #romania

flatsaul@...
 

My father  was born in Sapanta(Spinka).

The family last name is David.


Re: looking for an email address for Todd Knowles #general

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 


Googllng       “Todd Knowles” email address “

   1.  brings up the website of the Utah JGS.  
        that has an "about us “section which has  him listed as a Board member and  activities@... as an email for Todd.

   2. He’s also on Facebook…..


On Jun 25, 2020, at 9:17 AM, Trudy Barch <cousintrudy@...> wrote:

 

Recently I watched a webinar presented by Todd Knowles.   He gave his contact address at the end of his presentation and unfortunately, I can not find his address.

 

Does anyone have his email address?   Or can contact him and ask him to email me.     Thank you,
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Re: Cohanim and Levites #dna

Mikkitobi@...
 

Eva Lawrence I also suggest you Google the topic and you will be hard pressed to find any articles confirming your suggestion that name changes did take place on arrival by immigration officers.

See https://www.nypl.org/blog/2013/07/02/name-changes-ellis-island for a good, typical article from a reliable source.

Michael Tobias
Glasgow, Scotland


Dating photographs #photographs

Deanna Levinsky
 

With respect to dating photographs and making assumptions about the economic class of people
please consider that it wasn't unknown for the people being photographed to borrow clothing and jewelry
in order to look their best. In addition, photographers had props that they used in order to
stage the photos. Obviously, this would be most easily done in a portrait or small group picture.
--
Deanna Mandel Levinsky, Long Island, NY


Re: Seeking information on a village named Horodok, Vilna #lithuania

Alexander Sharon
 

As the addition to my previous message regarding Horodok near Molodechno, please refer to the entries in town’s 1921 statistical data as shown in 1929 Poland Business Directory at

 

https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/poland/1929/P2077.pdf

 

Jewish folks have been representing 70% of the total number of the local town residents, and nearly all economical positions.

Perhaps Bette Grienfield, who has initiated this thread, can forward data from 1929 Directory to Horodok, Belarus town’s folks who are working on town Jewish History to reproduce the names from the Directory on their site.

 

BTW Bette, two of the names that you are researching: A. Sznill (Haberdashing) and O. Szepszenwort (Flour) are shown in the Directory listing.

 

Alexander Sharon

JGFF editor


Re: Cohanim and Levites #dna

Mikkitobi@...
 

Eva Lawrence you misunderstood my posting. The clerks I was referring to were those who created the manifests on departure from Europe. 

I am not suggesting people did not change their own surnames around the time they immigrated, but the names were not changed for them and the names were not changed on arrival. No time frames or place markers are required.

Search the JewishGen archives and you will see that this subject has been discussed many times and the myth busted.

Michael Tobias
Glasgow, Scotland


"His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Peter Cohen
 

Smoke pours from the ears of veteran genealogists when they hear “his name was changed by the immigration authorities”. Numerous analyses of the experience of immigrants through Ellis Island and Castle Garden offer convincing evidence that US immigration authorities used ship’s manifests and the landing card pinned to the immigrant’s clothing to determine their name and did not change anyone’s name.

 

So, why is the “my grandfather told me his name was changed at Ellis Island” so widespread?  Either an entire generation of immigrants conspired to lie to their children about how their name changed, or SOMETHING actually happened.

 

Consider the case of my grandfather, who arrived via Castle Garden in 1891. All I know for sure is that his name was KEMAK on the 1891 manifest and COHEN on his 1895 marriage certificate. The story my uncle told me was “when they asked his name, he gave his full Hebrew name, including HaKohain and they wrote down Cohen.” My uncle would have heard this directly from his father, who was the actual immigrant. So where does the story come from?

 

A possibility:

The day he arrived, my grandfather was 19 years old, alone in a strange country, whose language and customs he did not know.  It seems likely to me that, when he left the immigration hall, tired and bewildered, he would have been relieved to find a helpful Yiddish speaker from an immigrant aid society (perhaps HIAS?) outside the building. That person would have given him advice and direction. Part of that advice might have been “no one here can pronounce your name, your name should be _______.” It could have been as simple as the aid society person writing down the immigrant’s name in Roman letters, so that the immigrant would know how to write it. (Note that the stories often say “they wrote down…”  Wrote down where? Apparently, immigrants left the customs hall with no documentation from the US government. So, if their name was written down and given to them, someone other than a government agent did the writing.)  In my grandfather's case, the name KEMAK was easy enough to pronounce, so that would not be a reason to change it.  I lean in the direction of someone writing his name in English, based on his Hebrew name and not his civil name. I do not know who that someone was, but it almost certainly was not a representative of the US government.

While we think of our grandparents as worldly and wise, at 19 years old, they would have been neither, and could easily make the false assumption that the HIAS person had some kind of government authority.


Searching KESSLER, Brooklyn, NY #usa

SANDI ROOT
 

Searching (probably Brooklyn, NY) family of Beatrice (COHEN) KESSLER, husband: Harold KESSLER.  They have 1 (known) child: Stuart KESSLER, b. 1949.  Beatrice is one of two daughters of my grandmother’s brother, my great uncle, Julius COHEN, w: Clara (OFFMAN/HOFFMAN) COHEN. Any help appreciated.

Sandi Root, 

 roadrunr2@...


looking for an email address for Todd Knowles #general

Trudy Barch
 

Hi genners,

 

Recently I watched a webinar presented by Todd Knowles.   He gave his contact address at the end of his presentation and unfortunately, I can not find his address.

 

Does anyone have his email address?   Or can contact him and ask him to email me.     Thank you,

 

Trudy Barch,  Florida


Re: ViewMate translation request - Hungarian #hungary #translation

Schonfeld.family@...
 

I have 2 remarks regarding the excellent translation posted on ViewMate:

jaras is district both Bator (Nyirbator) and and Nagykallo were districts in Szabolcs (and not Szabolc) county

The mother's birthplace is Bogat (Nyirbogat).

Jacob Shayzaf


Re: Seeking information on a village named Horodok, Vilna #lithuania

shimona@...
 

My grandfather came from a village in the region near Gorodok.  The village was called Trellisey.  My brother and I visited the whole area (including Gorodok) in 2008.  My grandfather, Shimon Soloveichik, was a student in the Volozhin Yeshiva and when he contracted typhus during the epidemic there he was sent to live with his cousin, Rabbi Nissan Broide, who  was rabbi in the town and with whom he continued to study for two more years. Hope this adds a bit of information.

We remember that at the time of our visit we met a local man who spoke of a museum which existed but was closed.  He also took us to the site of the massacre of the Jewish residents of Gorodok in a field outside the town.


Re: Geography mystery: Did any part of Polish Russia became German between 1880 and 1900? Specifically where? #poland #germany

Anna Doggart
 

My grandfather whose family came from Minsk, now Belarus, was put as a Pole on a letter to British Home office applying to come to live and work in Britain in 1931. As far as we were concerned, he was Russian. He was born in 1876 we think in Minsk. He lived for a short time in Orsha, also now Belarus but at that time, like Minsk, part of the Russian Empire. He spoke Russian. His sons when they applied to come to Britain recorded themselves as Russian. My grandfather left Minsk in late 1918 or early 1919. We think maybe the Poles were there around that time and he got papers from them? Once he had left, he like other emigres would have lost his Russian citizenship under Lenin’s decree that all those who left would no longer be Russian and so he would be stateless and presumably unable to apply to come to Britain as a Russian. Of course he only left under duress as he was told that he was I on a death list and frightened of pogroms. He took his wife and children to Bad Kreuznach in Germany, hoping to return home when things settled down but that was impossible so he went to Berlin. By 1930 he was applying From Berlin to come to Britain. The Kew records office provided us with copies of his letters to and from the Home office. He gained permission for himself, his wife and one son in 1932. His other 4 children were left behind in Germany. We’d love to understand why he wrote himself down as a Pole so like you we want to know if and when Minsk was ruled by Poles and if they did issue identification papers to Minsk residents and if so, why. By the way his other 4 children all managed to get out during 1930s and survived.
Thanks Anna Doggart


Re: What is an "instrument"? #general

Chana Bonn
 

If this information is from a transcription, perhaps the word should have been transcribed "interment".


Re: Tombstone Translation #photographs #translation

fredelfruhman
 

I want to thank Debbie Lifshitz (and Leya Aronson of Toronto, who posted a reply separately) for bringing up a possible reading that had completely slipped my mind:  b'sayvah tovah, meaning that someone had died of a "ripe old age".

I have not looked at life expectancy for those days, but it seems to me -- based upon my own family tree and relatives who died back then -- that 62 may have been considered a "ripe old age" in 1912.  That being said, I have seen this abbreviation immediately before the date of death even on stones of those had died at a much younger age.

It seems to me that EITHER interpretation -- "with a good name" or "at a ripe old age" -- might be correct, and we will probably never know which was intended.
 
Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA


Re: Seeking information on a village named Horodok, Vilna #lithuania

Alexander Sharon
 

This town was entered into JGFF database as:  Haradok, (near Molodechno), and there are 134 entries by the Genners for this location in the system.

https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1943310


Re: Tombstone Translation #photographs #translation

Dubin, David M. MD
 

Hi all,
As to the abbreviation (bet-)shin-tav (ש״ט) I have an ancestor who died at age thirty who had this abbreviation on his stone. Therefore it does not mean “b’seiva tova (in old age). It means “b’shem tov”, that is, with a good reputation. 
David Dubin
Teaneck, New Jersey 


Re: When was this picture taken? #photographs #germany

Jx. Gx.
 

I would also go with the late 1890s.  But I would also check out pictures in books and those posted online of people in Europe, especially in Germany, and compare the clothing they are wearing with the styles worn in this picture. A great place to start is with the women's dress sleeves and the men's ties and high collars. By the clothing being worn in this picture and the room furnishings, the people seem to be middle to upper-class. 

Jeffrey Geiger
Arizona


Re: Logistics of emigration from Pale of Settlement to America #lithuania #poland

Emily Rosenberg
 

I visited Suwalki in 2016 and by lucky chance, went to the railroad station, which was the likely departure place for our ancestors in 1886. There were no trains scheduled when I was there so I stood in the tracks and looked in the distance, imagining what my family and seen and felt  as they went to their new life.  Our fabulous guide explained that today’s sturdy brick station was probably a re placement for the one of my grandfathers era but the track was the same, going to the same places. I have a photo of the station which I am happy to share, just p.m. me if you would like it.


Re: Holocaust Survivors located in Holland #holocaust

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

On Jun 25, 2020, at 6:17 AM, Carolynne Veffer <carolynne.veffer@...> wrote:

The link gave me an error.
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