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Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

They wed AFTER going thru immigration, not before.

On Jun 28, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Stephen Weinstein via groups.jewishgen.org <stephenweinstein=yahoo.com@...> wrote:

To be a smart ass, I would like to respond as follows to everyone claiming that absolutely no names whatsoever were ever changed at Ellis Island:

There were "hundreds of immigrants were married on Ellis Island" (https://blog.eogn.com/2018/03/23/webinar-married-at-ellis-island-single-women-and-immigration-1892-1924/).  Since married women didn't keep their maiden names in those days, unless the bride and groom already had the same surname before they married (which is possible, but not common), each woman who got married at Ellis Island would have changed her name there -- to her new husband's surname.

This, I hope, will resolve the question conclusively and bring the argument to an end -- but I don't think it will.
Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

The grain of truth?  It was easier to say “It was changed at Ellis Isand” than to tell how, when and where it was changed.   

On Jun 29, 2020, at 7:14 AM, Bob Bloomberg <rpbrpb2012@...> wrote:

But according to a large number of people, immigration officials did not write down anyone's name--they simply checked their name off on the ship's manifest. But it seems to me that the multitudinous family stories  of name changes at Ellis Island must contain some grain of truth in them.
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Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Sarah L Meyer
 

Yes I have a similar story,  My paternal great-grandfather bought papers to escape the Czarist conscription from a man with the surname Meyer.  He came here with the name Fishel Meyer (that is the name on the Hamburg manifest)-in 1884.  His father's name was Josef Perchik.  Now I know that Fishel came from Odessa, but it appears that he stopped in Kovno on the way to Hamburg.  And many years ago, when we moved to Seattle, my mother(z"l) was introduced to a Mrs. Wexler - who said that her maiden name was Meyer, could they be related.  My mother told Mrs. Wexler this story - and Mrs Wexler responded that she had forgotten - they had the same story.  So I would conclude that who ever sold my great grandfather these papers - was making a bundle selling papers.  I would not be concerned about the paperless Goldbergs - they may not have had the same first name- or the names may have been taken from those of the same age, who had died, the same way that identity theft used to be done here, before all the electronic technology.
--
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com
Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Bob Bloomberg
 

But according to a large number of people, immigration officials did not write down anyone's name--they simply checked their name off on the ship's manifest. But it seems to me that the multitudinous family stories  of name changes at Ellis Island must contain some grain of truth in them.
Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Jules Levin
 

I assume these were not shotgun marriages with the officials holding the shotgun.  Absolutely no one is claiming that people could not resolve to use, and begin using, a different name voluntarily, while still standing on Ellis Island.  The popular argument was always understood to mean that officials gave people new names.   Perhaps you have had some legal training.  Legal language is not the same as ordinary speech, as it is normally understood.  
Jules Levin


-----Original Message-----
From: "Stephen Weinstein via groups.jewishgen.org"
Sent: Jun 28, 2020 7:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #general #usa

To be a smart ass, I would like to respond as follows to everyone claiming that absolutely no names whatsoever were ever changed at Ellis Island:

There were "hundreds of immigrants were married on Ellis Island" (https://blog.eogn.com/2018/03/23/webinar-married-at-ellis-island-single-women-and-immigration-1892-1924/).  Since married women didn't keep their maiden names in those days, unless the bride and groom already had the same surname before they married (which is possible, but not common), each woman who got married at Ellis Island would have changed her name there -- to her new husband's surname.

This, I hope, will resolve the question conclusively and bring the argument to an end -- but I don't think it will.

Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Susan&David
 

I have a record of one of those marriages.  The story of the arrival and the marriage was written up in the June 2012 issue of : "MassPocha" the Newsletter of The Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Boston. The marriage cert  says:

I _____ do hereby certify
That on the 22nd of May 1912
At the City Hall in the City of New York
I duly performed the
MARRIAGE CEREMONY
between Mr. Jacob F....  of Ellis Island
and Miss Eva W....  of Ellis Island
   etc.
Signed and Sealed.

David Rosen
Boston, MA



 

On 6/28/2020 10:36 PM, Stephen Weinstein via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
To be a smart ass, I would like to respond as follows to everyone claiming that absolutely no names whatsoever were ever changed at Ellis Island:

There were "hundreds of immigrants were married on Ellis Island" (https://blog.eogn.com/2018/03/23/webinar-married-at-ellis-island-single-women-and-immigration-1892-1924/).  Since married women didn't keep their maiden names in those days, unless the bride and groom already had the same surname before they married (which is possible, but not common), each woman who got married at Ellis Island would have changed her name there -- to her new husband's surname.

This, I hope, will resolve the question conclusively and bring the argument to an end -- but I don't think it will.

Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Jules Levin
 

Most European immigrants came from places where more than one language was spoken; most people, even average people, knew more than one.  This was not unusual even in the US in the 18th and 19th Century.  A German newspaper published in the US had the largest circulation in America.  The Irish immigrants who arrived from the 1840s spoke English as a second language.    My grandfather from Shaky in Lithuania certainly spoke Lithuanian as well as Yiddish.  Since his wife only knew Russian and English, I assume he also knew one or both.  Typical American monolingualism is the exception in human societies, not the norm.  Of course, no one official spoke 40 languages, although I personally know a polyglot who claims that many.
Jules Levin

-----Original Message-----
From: "Stephen Weinstein via groups.jewishgen.org"
Sent: Jun 28, 2020 7:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #general #usa

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 08:35 AM, <YaleZuss@...> wrote:
Do you know anyone who can speak 40 languages?  Does any of them work for the amount paid the immigration inspectors?
I think the "40 languages" meant that the inspectors collectively spoke a total of 40, including English and 39 others, meaning that there were 40 languages that were each spoken by at least one inspector.  This could simply mean that 39 of the inspectors were immigrants from 39 different countries, and those 39 each spoke two languages, English and the language of their home country.  It does not mean that any one inspector spoke all 40 languages.

I know someone who can speak English and one other language.  And I think that out of several million immigrants, there were at least 39 immigrants who spoke English and the language of their home country, but had no other marketable job skills, and would work for whatever immigration inspectors were paid.

Re: Yiddish or Hebrew name for IDA #belarus #names

Leslie J. Eisenberg
 

Hello,
I've seen Adel for Ida in my family tree.  
Re: Looking for Polish woman who jumped off train to Auschwitz #holocaust #poland

Phil Goldfarb
 

There is a tailor named Sherman Ray (original name Sasha Rajko) in Tulsa, OK who along with several of his friends escaped the train in Poland and hid in the woods for a year. One of the friends had frostbite so they brought him into the ghetto for treatment where they were captured again. His parents and siblings were in the same boxcar with him and would not leave or jump out . They later died at Auschwitz as I found their records for them at Bad Arolson. When he was captured, they sent him to Auschwitz and the only reason why he survived is because he tailored all of the Nazi's clothing. He is 99 years old, still exercises every day (when the gym is open), a good friend of mine, and JUST RETIRED by closing up his shop due to Covid 19 virus. He is sharp as a tack and has spoken to our JGS several times in the past. If you want to hear his story, he was recorded on Voices of Oklahoma: https://www.voicesofoklahoma.com/interview/ray-sherman/
Regards
Phil Goldfarb
President, JGS of Tulsa
Re: Yiddish or Hebrew name for IDA #belarus #names

dm11204@...
 

My grandmother from Kobryn's name on her ship manifest was "Chaje" - she was known as Ida.

My mother-in-law who was a survivor from Hungary/Czech's Hebrew name was "Aidel" - she was also known as Ida.
Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland virtual meeting on July 8, 2020 #jgs-iajgs #announcements

Sylvia Fleck Abrams
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland's
July Virtual program
will be on
July 8, 2020 - 7:00 pm

The Problem of “Grave” Errors in our Cemeteries

Rabbi Akiva Feinstein

The use of words, names and phrases on Jewish headstones is an ancient way of remembering a soul when they can no longer speak for themselves. Jewish custom is rich with traditions, insights and guidance on how to write these expressions. This presentation will review the common expressions, naming conventions, calculation of dates and certain other aspects while focusing on the need for accuracy and completeness. Our speaker, who worked as a chaplain for many years, will share his concerns and offer possible solutions to preserve this beautiful tradition for those unfamiliar with Hebrew names and conventions. Many examples will be cited to highlight important laws and customs. One does not need to have a strong Hebrew background to benefit from this presentation and learn how to decipher Hebrew names and dates on headstones.

Rabbi Akiva Feinstein is the Director of Spiritual Care at Montefiore Home and Hospice in Beachwood, Ohio. He has worked as a chaplain for more than 15 years. Born in South Africa and raised in Los Angeles, he is very interested in Jewish genealogy—especially the customs of Jewish life as they relate to naming and burial. He has done research on his own family’s departure from Lithuania (Memel) and immigration to South Africa. Some years ago he presented to our group on the mystery and true identity of the Ansel Cemetery.

This program will be free and open to the public, but space may be limited.
We will be using the Zoom meeting platform, so you may watch, listen and participate from the comfort of your own home.

Preregistration is required, and must be requested by 6:00 pm on July 8th.

To preregister, send an email message with your Name, Email address, current location, and Zip Code, by clicking here: rsvp@...

After you register, you will receive an email reply acknowledging receipt of your message. Once we have obtained the details for joining the meeting, we will forward those details, including a link and password.

If you have any problems registering for the program, please contact: webmaster@...

Submitted by Sylvia F. Abrams
Immediate Past President
On behalf of Programming Committee

 
Re: Robinn Magid appointed Assistant Director of JRI-Poland #announcements

Sharon
 

Mazel Tov on the appointment of Robinn as JRI Assistant Director.  I cannot imagine anyone with greater expertise and compassion to serve in this position, and know we will all benefit by her work.  
Viewmate Translation Request - Russian #translation

Greg Tuckman
 

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

Marriage Record of Boruch Mordko WEJSBLECH and Chaia FRYM:  https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM82708&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C41c63209707d4da0c53f08d81bb08771%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637289792276520986&amp;sdata=m6UXFKPelcr9gAMQO%2Bkr8lVAK9QHVrz3LudMLzRaw7Q%3D&amp;reserved=0
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Greg Tuckman
Phoenix, Arizona  USA
Re: Looking for Polish woman who jumped off train to Auschwitz #holocaust #poland

dszeidman@...
 

Hello Marilyn,

Thanks for writing. I don't know if she was the only one to escape in that car. If you know this woman, or for that matter, anyone else who escaped on the way to a concentration camp in Nazi Germany, please let me know. I woud like to add to the information I have gleaned about a few of the 700 or so survivors, many of whom are nameless.

Best regards,
Dale Zeidman
Records of passport applications from Poland and trip to France #france #poland

wenglenski virginie
 

Hello,

 

I am looking for my great grandfather who immigrated (with wife and child) from Poland (Lodz) to France (Paris) in 1913.

I suppose you needed a passport to cross the borders.

Do you know if there are records of passport applications and where they can be found?

 

I also want to know how my family made the trip between Lodz and Paris. They had no money.

Do you know the route usually taken and the means of transport used?

 

Thank you and  have good day.

 

Virginie Wenglenski
Re: Looking for Polish woman who jumped off train to Auschwitz #holocaust #poland

dszeidman@...
 

Hello Rich,
Thanks for writing about your cousin through marriage. I admire her determination and courage in surviving for two years by the "skin of her teeth" in Nazi Germany, and it is wonderful that she went on to live a "long and satisfying life." I am adding the information to the stories I've learned about a few of the 700 or so survivors who were able to jump from concentration camp-bound trains. It is sad that so many of the people who jumped remain nameless. It is good to know that she is a witness to what happened so many years ago -- so the world will never forget.
Sincerely,
Dale Zeidman
Re: Looking for Polish woman who jumped off train to Auschwitz #holocaust #poland

dszeidman@...
 

Hello,
Thanks for sharing your story. I will add it to my knowledge of how more than 700 people survived the trains to concentration camps. I regret that so many will forever remain nameless. Has this information been shared with Yad Vashem? I know they would appreciate receiving it. I would like to hold onto your information. It is too important to forget.
Sincerely,
Dale Zeidman
Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Diane Jacobs
 

This would be most likely after going through the formal inspection and those marriages should be recorded in the NYC marriage indexes. 

Diane Jacobs 



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Stephen Weinstein via groups.jewishgen.org" <stephenweinstein=yahoo.com@...>
Date: 6/28/20 10:36 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #general #usa

To be a smart ass, I would like to respond as follows to everyone claiming that absolutely no names whatsoever were ever changed at Ellis Island:

There were "hundreds of immigrants were married on Ellis Island" (https://blog.eogn.com/2018/03/23/webinar-married-at-ellis-island-single-women-and-immigration-1892-1924/).  Since married women didn't keep their maiden names in those days, unless the bride and groom already had the same surname before they married (which is possible, but not common), each woman who got married at Ellis Island would have changed her name there -- to her new husband's surname.

This, I hope, will resolve the question conclusively and bring the argument to an end -- but I don't think it will.
--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey
Re: German translator needed #translation

janllb@...
 

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 03:39 PM, <luau_2000@...> wrote:
I found the Grundbuck (land registery) for my great grand parents from Zemschen Bohemia, now Tremesne in Cz Republic.  Looking for person to translate these German records. Thank you. Florence
Do you have a source for finding old Grundbuchs that you can share? Especially interested in Berlin, Leipzig, Cottbus areas mid 1800’s through pre WWII.

Many thanks, Janyce
Jan Lastman, Toronto ON CANADA.  Janllb@...
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Researching: LASTMAN and LASTMANN w/origins in HOLLAND late 1600s then => Lublin early-mid 1700s.
By early-mid 1800s there were LASTMAN/N branches => Łódź, Radom, Warsaw, Szydlowiec and Ostrowiec, POLAND and Leipzig and Breslau, GERMANY
My LASTMAN  branch relatives married in 1800s and early 1900’s to KLAJMAN, KAUFMAN, LEDERMAN, KAC, CUKIER, STROSBERG, WAJCHANDLER/WHITE, TYSZLER, ZYLBERSTEIN, KUTCHINSKY/KUTNER, DAVIDSON (was MANDELSBERG), DAVIS, BURACK, BORENSTEIN, HERSHENHORN etc... then => Toronto and Rio de Janeiro in early 1900s.  Plus LASTMAN/Ns who remained in Europe but survived the Holocaust => France, Israel, Australia, Sweden, NYC and boroughs, LA, New Orleans etc.
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Also researching:
—MADELSBERG that somehow became DAVIDSON while still in Ostrowiec POLAND (!), immigrating as DAVIDSON => Toronto, Montreal, NYC and Detroit, most EARLY 1900s pre WW1
— SINGER / ZYNGIER from Janow Poldaski POLAND => Toronto and possibly Columbus OH all pre WW1 married to SCHAFER / SHAFIR from Linitz now Illinits UKRAINE (Russia) => Toronto and Detroit and possibly Columbus OH all pre WW1

All listed on Rapoport-Quint Family Tree on MyHeritage https://www.myheritage.com/site-family-tree-69044942/rapoport-quint or contact  janllb@...
Re: New Translation of Memorial Book of the Sventzian Region in Lithuania just published #lithuania

Jeffrey Gandz
 

Can you please tell  me if this book covers Adutaskis, a small city within the gubernia of Swencionys and some of my ancestors (KRAWATZ, KRAVITZ, KRAVETS...and many other variants of this name)?   If so, I will gladly place an order.  


Jeffrey Gandz (KRAWATZ, KRAVITZ, KRAVETS, etc. TAYLOR, GEN(N), GANDZ)
9321 - 9340 of 654761  
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