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Adoptions in the US around the 1930s #general #dna

Adam Turner
 

Was it ever common around the 1930s for families that had adopted a baby to announce their child's arrival as if it was an ordinary birth?

I am researching an unexpected match in a number of cousins' DNA results. The ethnicity analysis suggests that this person likely has one, but not two, Jewish biological parents, and the strength and pattern of their matches suggests extremely strongly that this person is indeed a biological relative of our family. They were born in 1936 and appear to have been raised in the US state of Georgia by parents who were likely both Baptists. (Much of my family also lived in Georgia in 1936, although mostly not in the part of the state where this person was raised.)

Until I succeed at contacting this person's family, I am trying to gather as much information as I can on my own. One of the things I'm trying to figure out is whether I can narrow down the candidates for the person's possible parent in our family by determining whether that parent is likelier to be male or female. So I'm looking at two main possibilities: an extramarital affair involving the person's mother (suggesting the link is a male cousin in my family) or a baby being given up for adoption (suggesting that the link to my family might well be a female cousin). If I can be pretty confident that this isn't an adoption situation, I can zero in on one of the male cousins as the probable link.

The curious thing is that today I came across a couple of newspaper items that likely involve this person's family. One is apparently of a baby shower for the person's mother, given by their Baptist church. The other, about five weeks later, announced their birth.

So what I'm wondering is: was it a thing back then, especially in the US South, to have showers and birth announcements for adoptive parents? Or does the mere fact that these happened suggest that it's unlikely that a new addition to the family was adopted?

There's a second, particularly fascinating wrinkle involving this genetic genealogy mystery, but I'll save it for a follow-up.


Re: Searching for my great aunt Rakel GOLUB b.1884 Minsk #belarus #holocaust

David Lewin
 

At 16:43 29/06/2020, Angela Lehrer wrote:
I'm searching for the married name of my great aunt Rakel GOLUB born
Minsk 1884 and the names of her children who were probably murdered
in the Minsk ghetto around 1942. Her parents were Aryeh Leib GOLUB
of Lebedev, Belarus and Rose SHULKIN also of Belarus. I've searched
the Bad Arolson archives and contacted the Red Cross, but so far I
haven't traced her. Her brother, my grandfather, Tuvia GOLUB/GLOBE
used to send money to her via Barclays Bank in Liverpool before WW2,
but the bank has no existing archive of that period. I also asked
Yuri Korn from Belarus to investigate but haven't had any luck.
I've run out of ideas and any help would be greatly appreciated as
I'd like to record her name and those of her children in Yad Vashem.

Angela Lehrer
Jerusalem

GOLUB Minsk/Lebedev Belarus
S(H)ULKIN Belarus
BERNSTEIN, DUBOVSKY, GOLDSTEIN Alytus, Suwalki, Lithuania

This, clearly, is NOT your aunt, but a namesake,

Maybe it connects ?

I am in the process of collating 30 year's work of Forence MARMOR at
Mokkom Sholom/Acacia/Bayside cemeteries

Notes from Florence Marmor Data collected by Florence Marmor, David
Gevertzman, David Priever and Maurice Kessler plus other volunteers
from gravestones, death certificates, information from family
members, etc. Copyright 1995 by Florence Marmor, David Gevertzman,
David Priever, Maurice Kessler plus other volunteers, from
gravestones, death certificates, information from family members, etc.


Rachel GOLUB
death cert #2901,
died 01/13/1890 at residence and birthplace 24 Ludlow St., New York,
N.Y. of gastro enteritis and marasmus, age 3 months and 14 days,
father Chaim Golub, mother Bettie Golub, both parents born Russia,
buried 01/15/1890, undertaker Joseph Mistovsky, 8 Bayard St., New York, N.Y.

David Lewin

London

Search & Unite attempt to help locate people who, despite the passage
of so many years since World War II, may still exist "out there".
We also assist in the process of re-possession of property in the
Czech Republic and Israel.
See our Web pages at https://remember.org/unite/


Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Stephen Weinstein
 

My point was to refute the claim that absolutely no names were changed on Ellis Island at any time, before or after they went through immigration, that whatever name a person had on the ship was their name when the left the island. Obviously, marriages on Ellis Island account for only a very small percentage of the name changes that supposedly happened there.

Stephen Weinstein
stephenweinstein@...


On Monday, June 29, 2020, 07:48:13 AM PDT, Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...> wrote:


They wed AFTER going thru immigration, not before.

On Jun 28, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Stephen Weinstein via groups.jewishgen.org <stephenweinstein=yahoo.com@...> wrote:

To be a smart ass, I would like to respond as follows to everyone claiming that absolutely no names whatsoever were ever changed at Ellis Island:

There were "hundreds of immigrants were married on Ellis Island" (https://blog.eogn.com/2018/03/23/webinar-married-at-ellis-island-single-women-and-immigration-1892-1924/).  Since married women didn't keep their maiden names in those days, unless the bride and groom already had the same surname before they married (which is possible, but not common), each woman who got married at Ellis Island would have changed her name there -- to her new husband's surname.

This, I hope, will resolve the question conclusively and bring the argument to an end -- but I don't think it will.


Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

dtolman@...
 

While names may not have been changed at Ellis Island - the names might have been changed before getting on the ship! My great-grandmother traveled under the same last name as another family from her village that was going to NY.

A century later (and almost a decade ago) her maiden name was long forgotten by the family - and starting out in genealogy I naively assumed her immigration papers were accurate and happily traced out on jewishgen a family tree... for the other family she was travelling with! A few months later I figured out the ploy when all her children born in NY listed a different maiden name for her, as well as the marriage certificates for her children born in Belarus, etc. Out goes "My family tree", LOL :)


Re: Late Registrations in the SubCarp Records #subcarpathia

Susan H. Sachs
 

I don't know what applies in these specific cases - but both of them are after the area changed from Hungarian rule to Czechoslovakian following the Trianon agreement of 1920.


Re: Florence MARMOR burial records of the New York Mokkom Sholom, Bayside and Acacia cemeteries #usa

paulmoverman@...
 

Please see your website email for a private message.


Seeking 1st cousin 1 removed Marsha/Marcia/Martha KRAUT nee COHEN, , wife of Martin KRAUT in New York & New Mexico #usa

SANDI ROOT
 

My earlier KRAUSE search has now progressed into a search for Marsha/Marcia/Martha (COHEN) KRAUT, h: Martin KRAUT, New York and New Mexico.  She would be the daughter of Beral William ‘Willy’ COHEN of Brooklyn, and a first cousin once removed to me.

Fingers crossed, and thank you.

Sandi Root <roadrunr2@...>

 


Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

C Chaykin
 

Here's the grain of truth: Someone in the family changed their surname.
Not surprising, since many "last names" were, literally, "son of X," and changed from generation to generation. 


Re: Looking for the Grunfeld from Cluj who wrote a book #general

Marcel Apsel
 

I am looking for an friend somebody who can do a research in or nearby Cluj (Klausenburg).  My friend tried to get hold of Ladislau Gyemant, an Avotaynu contributor, but probably his email does not work properly.  Has somebody has a proper email from him or from another researcher from Cluj and surrounding ?

 

Marcel Apsel

Antwerp, Belgium


Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Bob Yuran
 

On my grandmother’s passenger manifest, her mother’s family name, Scherzer, is lined out and her father’s family name, Weiss, is written above it.  Who would have done this and where would it have been done?

Bob Yuran


Seeking information on Kagan family originally from Dvinsk #latvia

Bernard Aronson
 

According to most of the SANDLER family living in the USA during WWII, most (or all) of the KAGAN family were feared murdered in the Shoah.  Ita Beila SANDLER was my mother’s paternal aunt.  To date, I have not been able to find any further information on Leizer Wulf and Ita Beila KAGAN and their family. Can anyone help me discover the fate of any of the Kagans?  Below is given all known information that I have been able to glean from available sources.

 

Thank you,

Bernard Aronson

25555 N. Windy Walk Dr., Unit 14

Scottsdale, AZ USA 85255

Cell: 480.390.3107

Email: dovbenhos@...

 

 

 

 

FACTS ABOUT THE KAGAN-SANDLER FAMILY

Eizer-Wulf KAGAN was probably born in 1860’s in Latvian Russia.  His father was Shmuel Yosel KAGAN.

Ita Beila SANDLER was born in 1864 in Rokiskis, Lithuanian Russia and married to Eizer-Wulf KAGAN..

 

THEIR 9 CHILDREN WERE:

  • Khaya KAGAN was born in 1885 in Dvinsk, Vitebsk, Latvian Russia; She married Berel SHMIDT on 25 July 1905  by Rabbi Hirsh Ratner in Dvinsk.
    • Berel SHMIDT was born 1864 In Novo-Aleksandrovsk, Lithuanian Russia); his father was Borukh SHMIDT.
  • Sholom KAGAN was born in 1887 and died 16 Mar 1888 in Dvinsk, Vitebsk, Latvian Russia.
  • Shmuel Yosel KAGAN was born 9 Jan 1890 in Dinaburg (Daugavpils, Dvinsk), Vitebsk, Latvian Russia.
  • Natla KAGAN was born on 10 Nov 1891 in Dinaburg (Daugavpils, Dvinsk), Vitebsk, Latvian Russia
  • Gitel KAGAN was born on 3 Nov 1893 in Dinaburg (Daugavpils, Dvinsk), Vitebsk, Latvian Russia
  • Ester KAGAN was born on Aug 31 1895 in Dinaburg (Daugavpils, Dvinsk), Vitebsk, Latvian Russia
  • Eta KAGAN was born 3 Sep 1898 in Dinaburg (Daugavpils, Dvinsk), Vitebsk, Latvian Russia.
  • Itzhak KAGAN was born on 30 Oct 1903 In Dinaburg (Daugavpils, Dvinsk), Vitebsk, Latvian Russia
  • Abram KAGAN was born on 5 Apr 1905 in Dinaburg (Daugavpils, Dvinsk), Vitebsk, Latvian Russia

 

  • The birthdates and death dates were from the records of Rabbi Hirsh RATNER, et al, from Dinaburg (Daugavpils, Dvinsk), Vitebsk, Latvian Russia.


Re: Trying to find information about my family #general

jbonline1111@...
 

It would be helpful to add what resources you have already used and any birth/death dates places of residence and other information you may have.  You will be more likely to find help when we know those things.
--
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Re: Possible for JewishGen to provide translations of headings for original records/forms? #general

erikagottfried53@...
 

Noel -  The  introductions are extremely helpful, but they're geared towards using databases themselves--(indispensable) partial indexes of the original records rather than original records themselves. This makes total sense since the indexes were created before there was online access to the original records.  And therefore, understandably, the introductions usually only give the names of the headings were created for the databases, not the headings used in the original records; they also do not necessarily give the names of the headings for information that was not indexed.   Now that there is online access to so many of the original records that were indexed, it would be of great assistance to those using them (including, if not especially, those double-checking on the indexed information) to have translations of the headings in these records.  

After some looking around after my initial post a few days ago,  I saw that FamilySearch's excellent wiki on Hungarian genealogical research does include translations of some of the headings used for civil registrations  (https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Hungary_Civil_Registration), so perhaps it wouldn't be necessary to reinvent the wheel entirely were JewishGen pages created to help with headings translations; perhaps such pages could provide links to resources like this.


--
Erika Gottfried
Teaneck, New Jersey


Re: Possible for JewishGen to provide translations of headings for original records/forms? #general

JPmiaou@...
 

It doesn't cover specifically Jewish registers, but the FamilySearch Wiki page on Hungary Church Records has a variety of examples of headers and their translations: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Hungary_Church_Records

Another FS Wiki page with lots of header translations is "Slovakia Church Records Reading Aids": https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Slovakia_Church_Records_Reading_Aids

I'm not finding anything covering specifically the variety of headers used in Jewish registers in Hungary. This seems an odd gap; surely someone somewhere has already needed this? If this is a true need (and not just a failing of my search capabilities), I'd be happy to come up with something, if someone could tell me where I should put it.

Julia Szent-Györgyi
. /\ /\
.>*.*<


Re: Looking for the Grunfeld from Cluj who wrote a book #general

Mihai Grunfeld
 

Mihai Grunfeld from Cluj: Hi, this is me, at grunfeld@.... Can you confirm receiving this email?
Mihai


Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Roger Lustig
 

Perhaps we should let Betty White have the last word.

In her Saturday Night Live "census taker" sketch with Tina Fey, the
dotty Mrs. Smith (pronounced BLAHR-fen-gar) reports that "The names were
all changed at Ellis Island when I was there three weeks ago on a bingo
cruise."

Roger Lustig

Princeton, NJ USA


Re: Viewmate Translation Request - Polish (or Russian) #translation

ryabinkym@...
 

All this viewmate is in Polish


Re: Possible for JewishGen to provide translations of headings for original records/forms? #general

erikagottfried53@...
 

Thanks for the tip, Mark.

Does anyone know if anything similar exists for forms in Hungary (some of the German terms on the Galician forms are are also on the Hungarian records forms I've seen, but not all, and translations are needed for the Hungarian and sometimes Latin terms) and other countries?  
--

Erika Gottfried
Teaneck, New Jersey


Re: Same man in pictures? #photographs

erikagottfried53@...
 

Yes, I think so.  This is a case where "the ears have it."  Ear shape and also hairline shapes tend to be pretty individual and distinctive.  I worked as a photo archivist for more than 25 years and this is a technique I often used for identifying persons in photographs and I continue to use it working on family history. 
My husband's uncle by marriage had such a distinctive hairline that I was able to spot it, even in negatives, with no trouble.  
--
Erika Gottfried
Teaneck, New Jersey


Re: Possible for JewishGen to provide translations of headings for original records/forms? #general

Nolan Altman
 

Hi Erika,

I'm not sure if all of JewishGen's Research Divisions handle their introductions in the same way, but each data set within the Holocaust Database has its own "Introduction".  The purpose of the Introduction is to give the researcher 1) some background on the data set, 2) information on the detail presented in the source material with all the column headings that the researcher will see in the online search return screen, 3) where the source material came from and who to contact for more information, and 4) acknowledgements for those volunteers that helped make the data set available.  If there is additional information specific to that data set, (abbreviations, occupational translations, etc.) that should also be presented in the Introduction.

The Introductions can be found by clicking on the name of each component database on the Holocaust Database homepage at https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/ 

Hope that helps.

Nolan Altman