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Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

Alyssa Freeman
 

I have family members, as well, with many brothers and some of them having one name while some had another. I've heard that the surname of every 4th son or of some sons would be changed within Jewish families to avoid conscription into the Russian army, as Jews were conscripted for 25 years and could be taken as young as 12 and put in Cantonist schools (military schools). The goal of these schools was apparently not only to train them to become soldiers but also to convert them to Christianity. I have the names Kallner/Callner, and Frieman in my Lithuanian family (Frieman was originally Furman in this family). I have the dates of birth for all but one brother. The oldest had the last name Furman. It then goes Kallner, Frieman, Frieman, Callner, Callner, Callner, and Kallner being the surname of the son whose birthdate I don't know. Even among one of his sons, there's a mixture of Callners and Friemans.

I've also read that, unless you were married by a government official in Lithuania (which of course would have been a priest), the child would have to have the mother's surname. This doesn't work with the Kallners/Friemans, as the mother's last name was Kahn, but it may explain another side of my family. 
 
Alyssa Freeman
Henrico, VA


Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Michele Lock
 

I've followed the name changes of my maternal grandfather's surname. 

My grandfather, with the last name Leapman' had led me to believe that the name was originally 'Liebman', and had told me that we have relatives by that name in Buffalo. He also led me to believe that this name change happened at Ellis Island, and that an immigration official had done it. Or maybe I just assumed that this is what happened, because of the Ellis Island meme.

The story is far more ordinary than any of this. In the Jewishgen Litvak records, the name is Leybman. On the ship manifests I've found, the name has been either 'Leibman' (the exact way a German-speaking clerk would write it down), or a few times as Libman. 

Then I can see from various US censuses, that the spelling of the name became inconsistent here in the US. Sometime my grandfather's family used 'Lipman' and sometimes 'Leapman'. The Buffalo relatives generally used 'Lipman'. After a while, the Pennsylvania relatives settled on Leapman.

I myself, when looking over ship manifests, am quite amazed how surnames are spelled consistently, even complicated Polish surnames. I believe the German and American clerks who were doing all this writing made every effort to not change anything. 

And, as it turned out, it wasn't Ellis Island at all. Most of my maternal relatives came through the port of Philadelphia. But that is another can of worms.


Re: Institutionalized relative - death date and burial location #general

Michele Lock
 

I have a paternal aunt that appears to have been mentally retarded, and institutionalized in the 1940s in Pennsylvania. I had thought this woman died around 1945 or so, but it turns out that she died in 1989, in the institution in central Pennsylvania that she apparently had been sent to.

In her case, her gravestone was listed in Findagrave.com, which then was listed on Ancestry.com.  Also, the institution where she was sent must have informed Social Security of her death, because there is also a Social Security index listing on Ancestry.com.

Perhaps that is a way to find out what happened to your relative, by searching for a Social Security claim application or in their death index?

In Pennsylvania, there is a form that a person can fill out, to get the medical files of a deceased institutionalized relative, but you do have to show some close relationship to the person. I haven't tried to do this. Maybe the state of New York has such a form? In PA, the form is not sent to the instituion directly, but to the state department of health (IIRC), or whichever agency oversees institutions.

What a surprise to us when this relative showed up on Ancestry.com. I  had never heard of this poor person. I don't think her siblings (my father and sisters) were ever informed of her death. And I'm certain my mother never heard of her, because my mother would have endlessly complained about this (she endlessly complained about my father's mentally ill first cousin).

Good luck.


Re: Zabie shtetl near Storozynetz #ukraine

Mark Halpern
 

Dear Abe:

Zabie, now Verkhovyna, Ukraine was part of Galicia near the border of Bukovina. The AGAD Archive in Warsaw holds the following records: 1877-1907 B; 1891-1936 M; 1884-1918 D. The 1877-1907 B and 1891-1913 M record indices are included in the JRI-Poland online database for everyone to freely search. The 1914-1936 M and 1884-1918 D are not online yet. If you are interested in these M & D records, please contact me privately. 

Stay safe.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland Eastern Galicia Region Coordinator
mark@...


Re: "Osterbücher" in 1832 Hessen-Nassau #germany

Diane Jacobs
 

And we used the local library for many of our nooks.

Diane Jacobs 



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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] "Osterbücher" in 1832 Hessen-Nassau #germany

Concerning children’s books-1744 was the first children’s/picture book 
I was born in the late 1930’s and had plenty of picture and story books 
The depression and war years put a crimp on the availability of books in general and during and right after WWII paper might have been scarce 
That said, books were shared from one family to another
Deanna Levinsky
Long Island, New York
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Deanna Mandel Levinsky

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Deanna M. Levinsky, Long Island, NY
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Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Seeking "Malkiel Glasser" #israel

Shel
 

I corresponded with this person some 4 years ago and wish to contact her again.

I believe she lives in Israel.

Shel B.
Calgary, AB, Canada


Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

Ettie Zilber
 

Thank you, Emily.
As always, you are very knowledgeable and, like all historians, need to find proof to confirm or deny family history. I agree. I didn't realize that there was no real process for adoption.
 
So, here is the overarching question: If there is some mythology herein, how does one explain the fact that 5 brothers in the same family, with the same parents all have 5 different family names?
 
Estimated time period: 1860s - 1890
Probable locations: Lithuania: either Kalvarija city or environs and/or environs of Vilnius
 
With your expertise and taking an educated guess -
when would these 5 brothers have 'gotten' their 'different' family name? at birth? as teenagers? before conscription?
 
would the family have have paid someone to use their family name? (iit would have had to be with a family which had NO sons)
was it through a friend/family?
 
This would help me search for names at birth or later.
 
Thanks
Ettie

Ettie Zilber, EdD


Known Family Killed in the Holocaust/KACHKA/BORENSTEIN #romania #holocaust

Lowell Nigoff
 

 

 

Re: Murdered in Holocaust: BORENSTEIN (BERNSTEIN), KACHKA (KACZE), #Kishinev, #Romania about 1941

 

My grandmother’s sister, Yidus KACHKA , her husband BORENSTEIN (or BERNSTEIN?), and their children, Rachel, Sara, Malka, a girl and a boy were murdered in the Shoah in 1941 in Rumania.

 

Please help. I am looking for any information on this family. I have a few photographs I can share privately.

 

Lowell Reed Nigoff

Lexington, KY USA

 

 lowellnigoff@...



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“I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live as if there isn't and to die to find out that there is.” Albert Camus

 

 

 


Re: Florence MARMOR burial records of the New York Mokkom Sholom, Bayside and Acacia cemeteries #usa

David Oseas
 

The error means that you do not have a default program set up for torrent files.  However, it is a small file (only about 4MB), so you should have no problem downloading it by clicking on the direct download ("Excel file") link.
 
-David Oseas, Thousand Oaks, CA

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Regards,
David Oseas

Researching:
HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York
KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles
KRONOWITH:
Hungary > New York
OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles
SCHECHTER/SHEKTER: Kishinev, Bessarabia > New York  
SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania > New York > Los Angeles
STRUL:  Iasi, Romania > Haifa, Israel
WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles


Radom, Poland/Birth Records #general #poland

tammy adler <tadler34@...>
 

Hi….I am looking for information about my mom who was born in Radom, but there are no birth records. There is nothing documented from birth until five years old. Is this anyone else’s story? She was born in 1940 or 1941 and her parents were in the Radom Ghetto.

 

In appreciation,

Tammy Adler

USA

 

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Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

Anna Doggart
 

I like your disciplined research. I was under the impression that when a boy child Was born to a family that he was given the name of a family without boy children So from the start had another name rather than having to change the surname later.


Re: Institutionalized relative - death date and burial location #general

erikagottfried53@...
 

While looking for information about a troubled relative--I'll call him Max--in my husband's family, I did a broad search this man's first and last name in Ancestry.com and stumbled on an index entry referring to a hearing to commit this man, linked to the original index record.  Max also was committed to Pilgrim State (this was in 1951) and also had lived in the Bronx, as did Ida Levy.  I'm pasting in the Ancestry description of this record below (while redacting the Max's real name).  It appears that Ida Levy also lived in the Bronx.  Perhaps you will have some luck with looking for her in this same database, and should you be lucky enough to find a reference to her there, will be able to follow the reference in the index to the original record(s) of a hearing and related documents--maybe including a record of her death if she died at Pilgrim State.

Good luck with your search.  I hope you'll let this discussion group know if you're successful, and if so, how you were able to prevail. 


Erika Gottfried
Teaneck, New Jersey


[First name, Last name]

 
 
Name: [xxx]
Plaintiff or Defendant: Plaintiff
Date of Action: 26 Sep 1951
Place of Action: Bronx, New York
Other Party: Appt of cmt
Volume Number: 3
Location: The Office of the Bronx County Clerk
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Re: "Osterbücher" in 1832 Hessen-Nassau #germany

Deanna Levinsky <DEANNASMAC@...>
 

Concerning children’s books-1744 was the first children’s/picture book 
I was born in the late 1930’s and had plenty of picture and story books 
The depression and war years put a crimp on the availability of books in general and during and right after WWII paper might have been scarce 
That said, books were shared from one family to another
Deanna Levinsky
Long Island, New York
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Deanna Mandel Levinsky

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Deanna M. Levinsky, Long Island, NY


Re: Meaning of 'Occupation' in Lodz Ghetto #general #poland

Norma Klein
 

As I know from my late mother, this meant the ‘black shirts’ - auxiliar forces from Lithuania.

Norma


Re: Florence MARMOR burial records of the New York Mokkom Sholom, Bayside and Acacia cemeteries #usa

David Lewin
 

I commiserate and attach the file

David


At 18:54 01/07/2020, Barbara Mannlein wrote:
David,

I am not tech savvy…. and nnow that I am alone there is no one to help me. 


This is the message I get when I tried to download the info via    torrent:

    "  Safari can’t open the file “mokom-sholom-bayside-acacia-burials-florence-marmor-records_202007_archive.torrentâ€� because no available application can open it.   "

Barbara





On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:20 AM, David Lewin < david@...> wrote:

Several people have reported that they had failed to reach the
file. I have therefore again uploaded the 31,891 records of Florence
MARMOR's burial records of the New York Mokkom Sholom, Bayside and
Acacia cemeteries to

https://archive.org/details/mokom-sholom-bayside-acacia-burials-florence-marmor-records_202007

I hope it works this time

David Lewin
London


Fold3 Free Access July 1-15, 2020 #announcements #usa

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

 

Fold3.com, a member of the Ancestry family of companies, is offering free access to their Revolutionary War records July 1- July 15, 2020 11:59PM ET.  You do have register with your name, email and password.  Go to:  https://go.fold3.com/revolutionary-war

Fill in the name you are searching in the search bar at the top of the page. You can browse without registering, however, if you wish to save, print or download the photo you must register with your name, email address and password.

 

If you try to click on a record without registering you will be invited for the 7-day free trial which is NOT the same as the free access through July 15.  If you try to access the records past the free offer deadline of July 15 you will be invited to subscribe.

 

In the search bar type in the name you are searching.  On the left side of the screen various wars appear with the revolutionary war coming up first click on that and the records with the name you are searching will appear.

If you wish to download or print the image  go to the tool icon in upper right side and follow the instructions. If you wish to save the image right click your mouse on the image and save it to your computer/tablet etc.

 

Records from the Revolutionary War include: Revolutionary War Pensions, Revolutionary War Rolls, Revolutionary War Service Records, revolutionary War Prize Cases-Captured Vessels, and  Revolutionary War Service Records -Navy.

 

I have no affiliation with Fold3 or Ancestry and am posting this solely for the information of the reader.

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 


Re: Florence MARMOR burial records of the New York Mokkom Sholom, Bayside and Acacia cemeteries #usa

Risa Heywood
 

Thank you for posting this! It seems to be a combination of cemetery info and death certificate info. A record for my 3x great-grandfather, Pesach Novinsky, is in the file with information from his death cert. but there is no burial information such as plot or association. My copy of his death certificate says that he was buried in Bayside. It would be helpful to understand how the file was created and what the sources were? Were the death certificates part of the cemetery records? Do you know what the red text in the file signifies? I understand that you may not have any additional information.
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Risa Daitzman Heywood
Arizona


Re: Florence MARMOR burial records of the New York Mokkom Sholom, Bayside and Acacia cemeteries #usa

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

David, 

I am not tech savvy…. and now that I am alone there is no one to help me.  


This is the message I get when I tried to download the info via    torrent:

    "  Safari can’t open the file “mokom-sholom-bayside-acacia-burials-florence-marmor-records_202007_archive.torrent” because no available application can open it.   "

Barbara





On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:20 AM, David Lewin <david@...> wrote:

Several people have reported that they had failed to reach the
file. I have therefore again uploaded the 31,891 records of Florence
MARMOR's burial records of the New York Mokkom Sholom, Bayside and
Acacia cemeteries to

https://archive.org/details/mokom-sholom-bayside-acacia-burials-florence-marmor-records_202007

I hope it works this time

David Lewin
London


Re: Searching for my great aunt Rakel GOLUB b.1884 Minsk #belarus #holocaust

David Lewin
 

I am afraid not.   It happened to be one record in nearly 32,000 of burials data in New York

David


At 17:52 01/07/2020, Angela Lehrer wrote:
In order for me to find a connection if it exists with this Rachel GOLUB it would be helpful to find out where in Russia her parents Chaim and Bettie GOLUB they came from. Do you have any further information about them ?

Angela Lehrer
Jerusalem


Re: Meaning of 'Occupation' in Lodz Ghetto #general #poland

aburenbo@...
 

The word 'feuerwehrkommando' is German for Fire Department.

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