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Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

Emily Garber
 

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 05:01 PM, Ettie Zilber wrote:
Thank you, Emily.
As always, you are very knowledgeable and, like all historians, need to find proof to confirm or deny family history. I agree. I didn't realize that there was no real process for adoption.
 
So, here is the overarching question: If there is some mythology herein, how does one explain the fact that 5 brothers in the same family, with the same parents all have 5 different family names?
 
Estimated time period: 1860s - 1890
Probable locations: Lithuania: either Kalvarija city or environs and/or environs of Vilnius
 
With your expertise and taking an educated guess -
when would these 5 brothers have 'gotten' their 'different' family name? at birth? as teenagers? before conscription?
 
would the family have have paid someone to use their family name? (iit would have had to be with a family which had NO sons)
was it through a friend/family?
 
This would help me search for names at birth or later.
Ettie:
I definitely think you are on the right track - although I don't think it would be good for me to take an (un)educated guess. It is not an easy question - or answer. We need to learn enough about the context of our subject's lives to be able to formulate realistic scenarios (hypotheses, if you will) that we may then research.

Typically in genealogy we work backwards from what we know to what we want to find out. If you have identified the five families, you will have to take all five backward and find evidence to prove their relationships.

If you can get them back to the old country and look at metrical records for your family's community, you will have a good start. My area of Volhynia Gubernia has yet to yield any vital records, no revision lists (only 2 addenda with about 5 names) and only a 1912 Duma voters list. The only thing I can tell about my great grandfather is that he was not on the 1912 Duma voting list for Labun - negative evidence that may give me some idea of his relatively lowly status. My other challenge (and I think others will find this, as well) is that some relatives moved around so much that I am not sure which community's records to search. I do not find my great grandfather and his brother in the same communities as adults. And I have his brother moving among several towns during the period 1910-1914. Where they were (or where they were registered) in the 1860s-1890s is another question. All the communities identified are within about a 20-30 mile radius.

I think we need to get creative and think about not only what we know about the time period and place, but also what we may learn about our subject's place economically and socially during those time periods and in those places.

Since there were several ukases (edicts) enacted in the Russian Empire during the 19th century that attempted to regulating behavior and options for Jewish people the situation for any person at any age might have changed. One also may have to look at what the military situation was - was there an unpopular war going on? Was the economic situation such that military conscription might put food in one's stomach?

Perhaps the military was not involved at all. Based upon knowledge of the context of the era and place what other reasons can we think of that might have resulted in siblings with different surnames? One thing we know is that not all areas of the Pale were affected immediately or similarly by new ukases. What was the situation in the area and time period where our subjects resided?

Despite Russian edicts, I think surname issues were ultimately controlled locally whether by kahals or, after 1844, by local authorities. Notarial records, court cases, Jewish community records - all places we may have to look. Of course, if  name changes were outside legal parameters, we are unlikely to find direct evidence.

None of this is easy. I am still struggling. It may be the type of question one has to let sit and simmer a while.

Emily Garber
Phoenix, AZ


Re: Searching for my great aunt Rakel GOLUB b.1884 Minsk #belarus #holocaust

Molly Staub
 

I recall hearing the name Golub in Philadelphia when I was growing up. I know nothing more about the family, but try Philadelphia records.
Happy hunting, Molly Arost Staub

Researching Berenson, Groffman, Arost/Harast, Shtofman


Viewmate translation request - Szrensk, Poland #poland #translation

Stanley Diamond
 

Reserchers interested in Szrensk will be pleased to learn that JRI-Poland has
indexed an additional ten years (1903 to 1912) of records that are not yet online.

For more information, contact the town leader at szrensk@...

Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.  (Montreal, 514-484-0100)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.

5a. 
Viewmate translation request - Polish #translation
From: srg100@...
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:09:41 EDT

 

I've posted 5 vital records in Polish from Szrensk.  

Snip

Shoshanah Glickman
Gateshead, UK


Arolsen Archives search available online!! #holocaust

LarryBassist@...
 

Maybe I am dense, but I have never seen this before and just stumbled on it.
This link takes you to the Arolsen Archives and you can search for names.

https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/

After you enter the search name a short list will appear on the left. At the bottom of the short list click on the "Show all search results +" box and they will all show up. You might have to page through (at the bottom) to see all the rest of the names. Images of the items they have for each person will appear on the right.

This is a tremendous resource.

Have fun searching.

Larry Bassist
Springville, Utah, USA


Nowe Miasto to Ulanow to Vienna #austria-czech

Mjacobsfr@...
 

I am researching a family that lived in Nowe Miasto from about 1890 to about 1900, then they moved to Ulanow for about five years before settling in Vienna for a further thirty years. As there are several places called Nowe Miasto and I think two places called Ulanow, is there any way to find out where they all are and how to obtain official records in each place? Is there one Nowe Miasto and Ulanow that would be more likely than the others?


Warsaw pre-1939 districts: Orla str. and Kr #holocaust #warsaw

Michael Turnbull
 

Can anyone tell me the official names/numbers of administrative Districts that these two streets were in: 1930 August 28. 5 Orla str. (in English: Eagle street), Warsaw and 1935 September 7. Krolewska str 29A, Warsaw ?



Re: We Are Here! Join us on June 14@2PM ET for a very special program #JewishGenUpdates #events

אבא ואמא
 

hello r' avraham groll(special name is to say. ..),ho much I ha to pay for 100% data?

בתאריך יום א׳, 14 ביוני 2020, 08:05, מאת Avraham Groll ‏<agroll@...>:

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Sunday, June 14 @ 2:00 PM ET.
 
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Re: Ungvar (Uzhhorod) birth records #hungary #general

Max Preston
 

These records have been uploaded to Wikipedia as part of Alex Krakovsky's project.  See page 17 of the Uzhhorod births for 1889-1895, which includes the birth of Jeremias.


Re: IAJGS Conference Planning

peggyfreedman@...
 

I think the IAJGS 2020 team is doing a great job! Thank you for your hard work, persistence, and flexibility.

I am wondering about setting up small social sessions in an effort to create some of the serendipitous connections that happen at a conference.
I have some ideas, but would like to brainstorm them here to see what others think.

Just Brainstorming-
  • Local groups meeting outdoors at social distances and zooming in with other conference attendees.
  • A guided beginner's group using the beginner sessions in the Lecture Library, then meeting on Zoom to discuss the material in the lecture (could last for 60 days!)
  • A guided DNA group, also watching the lectures, then meeting to discuss the material.  As this is probably a big group of people, perhaps dividing into smaller discussion groups?
  • Some sort of bulletin board where attendees could make "coffee dates" to meet other attendees either by telephone or free zoom accounts

Would love to hear other's feedback!
Peggy Mosinger Freedman
JGS of Georgia


Re: "Osterbücher" in 1832 Hessen-Nassau #germany

Diane Jacobs
 

We probably read most of the same  books
As I remember reading all you mentioned except the Five Little Peppers.

Diane Jacobs



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Date: 7/1/20 7:43 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] "Osterbücher" in 1832 Hessen-Nassau #germany

My experience was quite different. My parents, working class refugees
from Europe, outfitted my room with a bookcase, which first held slim
"Golden Books" -- e.g. "Poky Little Puppy." Later reading included a
number of children's books published in the 1800s: "Grimm's Fairy
Tales" (pub. 1812), "Little Women" (pub. 1868), "Black Beauty" (pub.
1877), "Heidi" (pub. 1881), and "The Five Little Peppers and How They
Grew" (pub. 1881). And then of course there was the Nancy Drew
detective series (inspiration for later genealogical sleuthing? :-)

Going beyond personal experiences, please note that the American
Antiquarian Society's Children's Literature collection
(https://www.americanantiquarian.org/children.htm) includes over
26,000 volumes -- all published by 1900.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY
genmaven@...

Elaine Kirsh <troyfamily@...> wrote:

<<I was born in 1944 in NJ to a family that valued education yet I had
few books. I understand that this was true for most people. I can’t
believe there were children’s books in the 1800’s!>>
--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


ViewMate translation request – RUSSIAN #lithuania #translation

kesspark@...
 

I've posted a portion of a note from 1902 in Russian (bottom portion) for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM82812


Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much!
Rachel Kessler Park


ViewMate translation request – YIDDISH #lithuania #translation

kesspark@...
 

I've posted two pages from a note written in 1902 in YIDDISH for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following addresses:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM82811

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM82812


Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much!
Rachel Kessler Park


Viewmate translation request - German (Kurrent?) #austria-czech #translation

Larry Freund
 



I've posted a vital record in German for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM82837
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
This is a birth record for Ignaz FREUND (Radice, Bohemia). I already know the basics (Birth date: May 1, 1847; Mother: Ana Freund, daughter of Elias Freund, familiant from Zebrakow; No father listed; Witness: Jakob Treulich). I'm hoping to discover if there's any other significant information in the balance of the document.
Fyi, Ignaz FREUND was my grandfather's brother (or maybe half brother). I have no idea if he immigrated to the U.S., remained in Bohemia/Czech Republic or possibly went elsewhere (if he's your ancestor, please advise 😉).
Thanks for your help!
Larry Freund.
New York, NY


Rabbi?/Mordechai ROSENBERG #rabbinic #usa

Karol Swanson
 

My G-GF Marcus (Mordechai) ROSENBERG, age 60,  appeared on the 1910 US Census in NYC as a rabbi (own account!).  His occupation on the 1915 New York State Census is teacher. I don't know any more about his background.  Is there any way I can find out more about his rabbinical activities?  Are there lists available? I believe he was from the Brody area.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Karol Schlosser
Scotland


Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

Hallie Metzger
 

To all: My maternal grandfather, born David Yalovsky, Yedvabne, Poland about 1883, documented six different surnames assigned to his own father's six brothers although the true family surname was Freedland (various spellings). My grandfather reclaimed the original family surame when he became a US citizen but this has made genealogical research a real headache. Does anyone know how the surnames were actually recorded by the Polish government?

Hannah Metzger, hallie.metzger@...


Need translation/interpretation for documents in Czech #subcarpathia #translation #austria-czech

Mike Kalt
 

I have a couple of documents from the town of Beregszasz in the 1921 Czech census that I need translated and interpreted.   They are at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM82821
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM82822

Explanations of the forms and what I am looking for are on the ViewMate pages.  Thanks in advance for your help!


Searching for 1960 Moscow burial records for Shimon David Shoikhet #general #russia

Todd Cohn
 

 
Thank you for any help/direction you can offer me in locating the burial location for Shimon David Shoikhet in Moscow, Russia.  
 
Shimon David Shoikhet (1882–1960) 
BIRTH 1882 • Grosulovo, Tiraspol district, Kherson province, Russian Empire 
DEATH 1960 • Shodnya, Moscow oblast, Russia
 
He had two wives.  The name of the first wife is unknown.  The second wife was:
Bertha Feldman (?–1973) 
BIRTH ? • Grusolovo 
DEATH 1973 • Vilnus, Lithuania
 
His parents were:
Yitzchak Avrom Shoikhet (1852-?)
BIRTH ABT 1852 
DEATH Unknown
 
Chana Freda Balaban (1860–1942)
BIRTH ABT 1860 
DEATH ABT 1942 • Grosulovo, Russia
 
Living descendants in VA and NY. 
 
-Todd Cohn
 
 
 


Surname JEWITZKAVATZ / JEWASSCHEWITZ #southafrica #names

jesicarennie@...
 

I am searching for information on the surname Jewitzkavatz / Jewasschewitz.
This was the maiden name of my two times great-grandmother - Johanna Margarietha (born somewhere between 1838 and 1898) in what we think was South Africa. She married John James Anley who was born in England and died in Cape Town, South Africa. Together they had 5 children.

If anyone has information on Johanna Margarietha Jewitzkavatz, or information on the surname Jewitzkavatz / Jewasschewitz, I would be immensely grateful. We have hit a 'dead end' on this particular branch of the tree.

Many thanks,
Jes


Viewmate translation request - Polish #translation

srg100@...
 

I've posted 5 vital records in Polish for which I would like a translation.

They are on Viewmate at the following addresses:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM82806
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM82807
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM82808
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM82809
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM82810

I've detailed there which parts of the documents I'm interested in.
Please respond via the form provided on the Viewmate image page.

Many thanks!
Shoshanah Glickman
Gateshead, UK



Re: Florence MARMOR burial records of the New York Mokkom Sholom, Bayside and Acacia cemeteries #usa

David Lewin
 

Over the years there have been very many emails between Florence and myself.  I was the backup for records she wanted to know to exist on a computer other than her own, ailing on. That is the source of the spreadsheet which I have now assembled and made public as she had wanted. I know that Florence collected the death certificates which she ordered from the Department of Health.

Why there is sometimes a report of death and at others a report of burial,I do not know.   Florence was not alone in this,  She was merely the custodian. The Data was collected by Florence Marmor, David Gevertzman, David Priever and   Maurice Kessler plus other volunteers from gravestones, death certificates, information from family members, etc.   Copyright 1995 by Florence Marmor, David Gevertzman, David Priever, Maurice Kessler plus other volunteers,  from gravestones, death certificates, information from family members, etc.

I do not have any of the actual certificates.

The RED text should not be red any longer.  As I added data to the growing file, I coloured new material red so that it stood out and I could then eliminate any duplicated records.  Once duplicates had been deleted, all should have been turned black - and clearly I failed to do so on the version you have seen

Incidentally, I see that in addition to Pesach there is also a record for
NOVINSKY Fanny       67y    buried 07 August 1900

David


At 19:23 01/07/2020, Risa Heywood wrote:
Thank you for posting this! It seems to be a combination of cemetery info and death certificate info. A record for my 3x great-grandfather, Pesach Novinsky, is in the file with information from his death cert. but there is no burial information such as plot or association. My copy of his death certificate says that he was buried in Bayside. It would be helpful to understand how the file was created and what the sources were? Were the death certificates part of the cemetery records? Do you know what the red text in the file signifies? I understand that you may not have any additional information.
--
Risa Daitzman Heywood
Arizona