1. main@groups.jewishgen.org
  2. Messages
   Date   
moderated Mglin 1882 Part 2 lists added to Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project #ukraine #translation

Beth Galleto
 

Dear fellow researchers,

Progress continues on the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project. We have now completed a second set of family lists (tax censuses) from the Mglin uezd (district) in 1882. A list of surnames that appear in these additional lists is attached.

 

The Mglin 1882 Part 2 lists were filmed by the LDS church as part of film 1222347. The original Russian documents can be seen on the FamilySearch website. Data from the translations will be posted on the JewishGen website at some time in the future. Donors of $100 or more to the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project are eligible to view the spreadsheets before the data is posted online.

 

Donations to the project may be made through this link:

https://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=22

 

Translations of the first set of Mglin 1882 family lists, as well as translations of lists from the Glukhov and Starodub uezds in 1882, can now be viewed online on the JewishGen website under the classification of Ukraine Revision Lists. The original documents can be seen on the FamilySearch website in film 1222346.

 

On a personal note, the Mglin Part 2 translations contain a three-generation family list of my own Levitin family, as well as lists of several other families that are related to the Levitins. I look forward to figuring out the possible connections. 

I hope you have similar successes with these document translations.

 

Best wishes,

Beth Galleto

?
Names List Mglin 1882 Part 2.doc

Help identifying locality in Lithuania #lithuania

Peter Lobbenberg
 

In 1900, Morris Berger of 109 Brick Lane, London was granted a British Certificate of Naturalization.  The recital reads:

".... that he is a subject of Russia, having been born at Koopziek in Kovna; and is the son of Michael and Betty Berger, both subjects of Russia...."

Can anyone suggest an identification for "Koopziek in Kovna"?

Peter Lobbenberg, London, UK
Time to Register for IAJGS Virtual Conference on Jewish Genealogy -Price Goes Up Monday Morning! #announcements

Chuck Weinstein
 




If you have already registered for the International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies (IAJGS) 2020 Conference on Jewish Genealogy, then THANK YOU! Our registration numbers look really good thanks to you!

 

IF you have not yet registered, this is a reminder that the Early Bird Discount Rate expires on Sunday, July 5, 2020 at midnight, Chicago Time. (GMT-5)

 

Our virtual conference features Panel Discussions, Expert Interviews, Games Shows, a mini Film Festival, webinars with live Q&A and a Lecture Library of about 100 recorded sessions on a huge variety of compelling topics in the World of Jewish Genealogy.

 

Visit iajgs2020.org to view our preliminary program/schedule.

Take advantage of the Early Bird Discount and register today!
Re: Warsaw pre-1939 districts: Orla str. and Kr #holocaust #warsaw

Logan Kleinwaks
 

In both 1930 and 1939 Warsaw homeowner directories, Orla 5/7 is listed in district XII and Krolewska 29a in district I.

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@...
near Washington, D.C.
Passage from Jaffa to LeHavre to Ellis Island #general

Roberta Lipitz <rlipitz@...>
 

Trying to find any documents that may have been needed for my Grandmother Fannie Shore (maiden name) along with her Father Hershe and younger sister on July 1903.  I do have the ship's manifest - La Lorraine obtained from Ellis Island.  They did tell me that any information that is listed on the manifest were obtained at the Port of departure.

Hoping you can help me.

Thank you,
Roberta Lipitz
Cherry Hill, NJ
Re: Florence MARMOR burial records of the New York Mokkom Sholom, Bayside and Acacia cemeteries #usa

Peter Cohen
 

Thank you for posting this. It is a valuable resource.  I recall seeing a much earlier version of this and noticing my all-time favorite Jewish name: Pesach Manneschewitz (see line 19800).  Researchers should be aware that this is not a comprehensive list, at least as far as Acacia is concerned. (I cannot speak to Mokom Sholom or Bayside in that regard, but I am aware of Acacia burials that are not included.) Nevertheless, a great help to many researchers. thanks again.
Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

sharon yampell
 

Just as an aside, family last names may not have been changed at the ports of entry but they sure can be changed by different branches of the family… My Volovich family takes up nearly half of my tree and as of today, there are 13 different variations of the last name.

 

My advise is to always look at names that seem close to what you know and investigate that person as far as you can and you might be surprised to learn they are indeed a member of your family.

 

Sharon F. Yampell

Voorhees, NJ USA

GenealogicalGenie@...

 

From: Michele Lock
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 5:59 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

 

I've followed the name changes of my maternal grandfather's surname. 

My grandfather, with the last name Leapman' had led me to believe that the name was originally 'Liebman', and had told me that we have relatives by that name in Buffalo. He also led me to believe that this name change happened at Ellis Island, and that an immigration official had done it. Or maybe I just assumed that this is what happened, because of the Ellis Island meme.

The story is far more ordinary than any of this. In the Jewishgen Litvak records, the name is Leybman. On the ship manifests I've found, the name has been either 'Leibman' (the exact way a German-speaking clerk would write it down), or a few times as Libman. 

Then I can see from various US censuses, that the spelling of the name became inconsistent here in the US. Sometime my grandfather's family used 'Lipman' and sometimes 'Leapman'. The Buffalo relatives generally used 'Lipman'. After a while, the Pennsylvania relatives settled on Leapman.

I myself, when looking over ship manifests, am quite amazed how surnames are spelled consistently, even complicated Polish surnames. I believe the German and American clerks who were doing all this writing made every effort to not change anything. 

And, as it turned out, it wasn't Ellis Island at all. Most of my maternal relatives came through the port of Philadelphia. But that is another can of worms.

 
Re: Rabbi?/Mordechai ROSENBERG #rabbinic #usa

Sherri Bobish
 

Hi Karol,

Here are some ideas.

FultonHistory.com
https://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html
Free site to search digitized newspapers (heavily New York, but adding papers from other states.)  You can search by name, or by address.  I've found many things in the past by searching on address.

Ellis Island Database
https://stevemorse.org/ellis2/ellisgold.html
Assuming he arrived in port of NY.  You can see what occupation is listed on manifest.

NY and other ports of arrival can be searched for manifests at www.familysearch.org

Regards,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ


Searching: RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala / Ragola, Lith.)
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne / Istryker, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.)
LEFFENFELD / LEFENFELD (Daliowa/ Posada Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA (Tarnobrzeg, Pol.)
SOKALSKY / SOLON FINGER(MAN) (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / APPEL (Odessa)
 
Re: Ellis Island manifest questions - see scan #general #usa

Sherri Bobish
 


Hi Dani,

Regarding your question of check marks on a manifest.

Each person on that page (except two) has a check mark with a line through the check mark to the left of their name.

The person who is deported only has the line to the left, with no check mark.

The person in-transit has no check mark, or line to the left.

Total guess on my part:  A check mark with line to the left of the name means that person got off the ship and entered the U.S.

Even if my guess is correct, that does not mean that system of check marks was used on all ships and/or in other time frames.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ
Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

Emily Garber
 

I think I will take advantage of this discussion to pursue an area of research that I have been contemplating for some time. I would like to collect family stories about old country surname changes allegedly due to avoidance of military conscription.

I will not be pulling stories from this forum. I have attached a one page survey form in Word format. If you have such a story, please fill out the information and email it to me at extrayad@....

If you cannot access the attached form, email me privately and I will send it to you.

I promise to share the results of this survey in some format - depending upon its success.

Emily Garber
Phoenix, AZ
extrayad@...

?
SurnameChangesSurvey.docx

Re: Viewmate translation request - Szrensk, Poland #poland #translation

srg100@...
 

Thanks for that!
Can I email them in English if I'm interested?

Shoshanah Glickman
Gateshead, UK

>Researchers interested in Szrensk will be pleased to learn that JRI-Poland has
>indexed an additional ten years (1903 to 1912) of records that are not yet online.
Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

Emily Garber
 

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 05:01 PM, Ettie Zilber wrote:
Thank you, Emily.
As always, you are very knowledgeable and, like all historians, need to find proof to confirm or deny family history. I agree. I didn't realize that there was no real process for adoption.
 
So, here is the overarching question: If there is some mythology herein, how does one explain the fact that 5 brothers in the same family, with the same parents all have 5 different family names?
 
Estimated time period: 1860s - 1890
Probable locations: Lithuania: either Kalvarija city or environs and/or environs of Vilnius
 
With your expertise and taking an educated guess -
when would these 5 brothers have 'gotten' their 'different' family name? at birth? as teenagers? before conscription?
 
would the family have have paid someone to use their family name? (iit would have had to be with a family which had NO sons)
was it through a friend/family?
 
This would help me search for names at birth or later.
Ettie:
I definitely think you are on the right track - although I don't think it would be good for me to take an (un)educated guess. It is not an easy question - or answer. We need to learn enough about the context of our subject's lives to be able to formulate realistic scenarios (hypotheses, if you will) that we may then research.

Typically in genealogy we work backwards from what we know to what we want to find out. If you have identified the five families, you will have to take all five backward and find evidence to prove their relationships.

If you can get them back to the old country and look at metrical records for your family's community, you will have a good start. My area of Volhynia Gubernia has yet to yield any vital records, no revision lists (only 2 addenda with about 5 names) and only a 1912 Duma voters list. The only thing I can tell about my great grandfather is that he was not on the 1912 Duma voting list for Labun - negative evidence that may give me some idea of his relatively lowly status. My other challenge (and I think others will find this, as well) is that some relatives moved around so much that I am not sure which community's records to search. I do not find my great grandfather and his brother in the same communities as adults. And I have his brother moving among several towns during the period 1910-1914. Where they were (or where they were registered) in the 1860s-1890s is another question. All the communities identified are within about a 20-30 mile radius.

I think we need to get creative and think about not only what we know about the time period and place, but also what we may learn about our subject's place economically and socially during those time periods and in those places.

Since there were several ukases (edicts) enacted in the Russian Empire during the 19th century that attempted to regulating behavior and options for Jewish people the situation for any person at any age might have changed. One also may have to look at what the military situation was - was there an unpopular war going on? Was the economic situation such that military conscription might put food in one's stomach?

Perhaps the military was not involved at all. Based upon knowledge of the context of the era and place what other reasons can we think of that might have resulted in siblings with different surnames? One thing we know is that not all areas of the Pale were affected immediately or similarly by new ukases. What was the situation in the area and time period where our subjects resided?

Despite Russian edicts, I think surname issues were ultimately controlled locally whether by kahals or, after 1844, by local authorities. Notarial records, court cases, Jewish community records - all places we may have to look. Of course, if  name changes were outside legal parameters, we are unlikely to find direct evidence.

None of this is easy. I am still struggling. It may be the type of question one has to let sit and simmer a while.

Emily Garber
Phoenix, AZ
Re: Searching for my great aunt Rakel GOLUB b.1884 Minsk #belarus #holocaust

Molly Staub
 

I recall hearing the name Golub in Philadelphia when I was growing up. I know nothing more about the family, but try Philadelphia records.
Happy hunting, Molly Arost Staub

Researching Berenson, Groffman, Arost/Harast, Shtofman
Viewmate translation request - Szrensk, Poland #poland #translation

Stanley Diamond
 

Reserchers interested in Szrensk will be pleased to learn that JRI-Poland has
indexed an additional ten years (1903 to 1912) of records that are not yet online.

For more information, contact the town leader at szrensk@...

Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.  (Montreal, 514-484-0100)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.

5a. 
Viewmate translation request - Polish #translation
From: srg100@...
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:09:41 EDT

 

I've posted 5 vital records in Polish from Szrensk.  

Snip

Shoshanah Glickman
Gateshead, UK

Arolsen Archives search available online!! #holocaust

LarryBassist@...
 

Maybe I am dense, but I have never seen this before and just stumbled on it.
This link takes you to the Arolsen Archives and you can search for names.

https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/

After you enter the search name a short list will appear on the left. At the bottom of the short list click on the "Show all search results +" box and they will all show up. You might have to page through (at the bottom) to see all the rest of the names. Images of the items they have for each person will appear on the right.

This is a tremendous resource.

Have fun searching.

Larry Bassist
Springville, Utah, USA
Nowe Miasto to Ulanow to Vienna #austria-czech

Mjacobsfr@...
 

I am researching a family that lived in Nowe Miasto from about 1890 to about 1900, then they moved to Ulanow for about five years before settling in Vienna for a further thirty years. As there are several places called Nowe Miasto and I think two places called Ulanow, is there any way to find out where they all are and how to obtain official records in each place? Is there one Nowe Miasto and Ulanow that would be more likely than the others?
Warsaw pre-1939 districts: Orla str. and Kr #holocaust #warsaw

Michael Turnbull <corbie41@...>
 

Can anyone tell me the official names/numbers of administrative Districts that these two streets were in: 1930 August 28. 5 Orla str. (in English: Eagle street), Warsaw and 1935 September 7. Krolewska str 29A, Warsaw ?
Re: We Are Here! Join us on June 14@2PM ET for a very special program #JewishGenUpdates #events

אבא ואמא
 

hello r' avraham groll(special name is to say. ..),ho much I ha to pay for 100% data?

בתאריך יום א׳, 14 ביוני 2020, 08:05, מאת Avraham Groll ‏<agroll@...>:

**WE ARE HERE!**
JOIN US TOMORROW - JUNE 14@2PM ET - FOR THIS IMPORTANT EVENT
 
JewishGen.org is proud to partner with 60 other museums and cultural institutions around the world for:
 
We Are Here:
A Celebration of Resilience, Resistance, and Hope
Sunday, June 14 @ 2:00 PM ET.
 
Featuring award-winning media personalities Whoopi Goldberg, Dr. Ruth Westheimer, Adrien Brody, Mayim Bialik, Jackie Hoffman, and Tiffany Haddish, world-renowned singers and musicians Renee Fleming, Lea Salonga, Steven Skybell, Joyce DiDonato, and Lang Lang, and other public figures from all walks of life, the free 90-minute program will commemorate the recent anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and project a message of hope amidst the crises we face.
 
Find more info and tune in to view the program at www.WeAreHere.live.
Re: Ungvar (Uzhhorod) birth records #hungary #general

Max Preston
 

These records have been uploaded to Wikipedia as part of Alex Krakovsky's project.  See page 17 of the Uzhhorod births for 1889-1895, which includes the birth of Jeremias.
Re: IAJGS Conference Planning

peggyfreedman@...
 

I think the IAJGS 2020 team is doing a great job! Thank you for your hard work, persistence, and flexibility.

I am wondering about setting up small social sessions in an effort to create some of the serendipitous connections that happen at a conference.
I have some ideas, but would like to brainstorm them here to see what others think.

Just Brainstorming-
  • Local groups meeting outdoors at social distances and zooming in with other conference attendees.
  • A guided beginner's group using the beginner sessions in the Lecture Library, then meeting on Zoom to discuss the material in the lecture (could last for 60 days!)
  • A guided DNA group, also watching the lectures, then meeting to discuss the material.  As this is probably a big group of people, perhaps dividing into smaller discussion groups?
  • Some sort of bulletin board where attendees could make "coffee dates" to meet other attendees either by telephone or free zoom accounts

Would love to hear other's feedback!
Peggy Mosinger Freedman
JGS of Georgia
23141 - 23160 of 668669