Re: Death in New York City and burial in New Jersey #usa #germany

A. E. Jordan

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From: rhonda.
I recently received a photo of my great grandfather and great uncle’s grave stone from Saddle Ridge, NJ. The dates match my research. My mother is doubting its authenticity because her family lived in New York and were too poor to afford the nice size stone. Does anyone know why New York families were burying their family members in New Jersey?

It is more often about the burial or social society that they belonged to.  Remember burial was not permitted in Manhattan so it would have been Queens or Brooklyn or New Jersey.  I would look to see if they are in a burial society plot and see if you can find any information about that society. 

In my research I found a ladies organization in the Bronx that had its burial plot in central New Jersey.  I knew the woman lived in the Bronx and I would never have guessed she was buried where she is.

My family is the other way.  They always lived in Northern New Jersey but the temple they belonged to had a plot in Brooklyn.  So from around 1900 to the 1940s all the family members were buried in Brooklyn.

Allan Jordan

Re: Does anyone know any survivors from Krinki/krinik #poland


My mother's family were tanners from Krynki, the Tursky's (Turski). They left in 1921. Feel free to get in touch: randi.kepecs@...

Dutch ship "Boskoop" manifests for 1937/38 #germany #latinamerica


I am fairly certain my father, Herbert Liffmann, and his siblings were aboard the Boskoop, a mixed cargo vessel, that sailed from Europe to the west coast of South America in the 1930s. I am not certain where they embarked but suspect, The Netherlands, since they lived close to the border in the area of Monchengladbach. They emigrated to Cali, Colombia by way of Buenaventura. I have tried contacting possible Dutch and Colombian sources but to no avail. The best I have done so far is access the Panama Canal Records and have four transits for the ship during those two years. Any suggestions? Much appreciated. Mike

Re: parents as "cousins" on #dna

Shelley Mitchell

I’m fairly sure that most of the marriages within a family are arranged. My mother was supposed to have an arranged marriage with a first cousin. Unfortunately he was unable to leave Europe before the Holocaust.
Shelley Mitchell, NYC    shemit@...
Searching for TERNER, GOLDSCHEIN, KONIGSBERG, SCHONFELD, in Kolomyya; PLATZ, in Delaytn; and TOPF, in Radautz and Kolomea.

Re: Death in New York City and burial in New Jersey #usa #germany


You may also want to check Cedar Park & Beth-El cemeteries in Paramus NJ.

Rich Isaak
Researching Isaak, Rosenheimer & Türkheimer (Germany)

Re: ViewMate translation request - Polish (may be Russian) #translation #poland #russia


Agree with Stephen. For clarification, the document is in a Cyrillic alphabet, while Polish and most Western European languages use what is usually called the Latin alphabet.

Re: A question about tattoos and Auschwitz #general #holocaust


I am not an expert on this subject but I don't think Auschwitz was the only place that did this. I have heard the tattoos referred to as "Bergen-Belsen numbers" for instance.

Re: Does anyone know any survivors from Krinki/krinik #poland


Hi, all of my mother's family was from Krynki.  My grandfather was still there until 1924 or so.  Please contact me at my gmail account.  jschonholz@...   Would love to talk.


Re: Chasing a Mystery in Philly, and Looking for Puzzle Pieces: Abraham Louis Snader #usa


Hi Eric!   Not all death information is on line.  Look on the PA Death Index for information on Lea Fleysher.  Then request a copy from the State.
To make it easier, I would just say she is a great aunt of your family.  I can't imagine that they check.

You can contact the Temple University Special Collections Library for copies of obituaries in the Exponent.  I don't know if they are open yet.  
Jessica M. Lydon, MSLIS, CA 
Associate Archivist
Special Collections Research Center
Temple University Libraries
Philadelphia, PA 19122

Yes, you can find records of divorces in City Hall.  I know there is an index on microfilm.  I do not know about the actual records.  Check with the Register of Wills.

I guess it is possible that the marriage was dissolved due to the depression.  It is also possible that they got a divorce because they hated each other.  Who knows.  What I do know is that is was more common than you think to get a divorce.  I have a bunch of them in my tree.

Take care,
Marlise Ellis Gross
Cherry Hill, NJ

Re: Mother Instead of Father on Gravestone #general #germany

Eva Lawrence

One possible explanation is that whoever erected the stone did not know
the name of his father. I have images of some stones in my family which
differ in their post-WW2 design from the design they had when the family
left Germany. This stone may have been restored. The engraving does look
very clear in view of its apparent age.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK
Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.

Re: How to obtain documents in France? #france

wenglenski virginie

Hi M. Zeldes,

The file you mentioned is SDH Vincennes, near Paris :
You must create an account on the site to be able to request a search :
But for now, the service is unavailable. I guess COVID is involved.
Services have resumed since July 1 only. Allow 2-3 weeks before trying again.
Good research.

Virginie Wenglenski

Re: Travel from Buchach to USA transmigrating via United Kingdom #unitedkingdom

Jill Whitehead

I suggest you try the University of Hull website which has a lot of information about steamships that plied the Baltic and North Sea, including Wilsons, as does Hull Museum. UK Museums are reopening next week after lockdown. Hull Museum also has a useful website. Also try the migration site on the UK National Archives.

Those migrants who arrived in Hull then usually travelled by train to Liverpool and caught a boat there to go onto USA or Canada. If your ancestor migrated from Southampton, this implies he moved from Hull further south for a while before taking a boat. People who lived in London often migrated via Southampton to USA.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: Mother Instead of Father on Gravestone #general #germany

Peggy Mosinger Freedman

I've been told that sometimes the mother's name is used to ask for mercy or healing for a person in prayers.  But I've also never heard of it on a tombstone.

Have you looked at other stones in the same cemetery to see if it was a local custom?

Peggy Mosinger Freedman

Re: parents as "cousins" on #dna

Jill Whitehead

Jim is quite right, it may even be closer than 5th cousin. Every person of Jewish origin supposedly shares at least one chromosome segment in common, however small. That is why I never look for cousins above 3rd to 4th cousin level on DNA sites. It is also usually impossible to match with the many 3rd cousins the sites will give you - I have thousands of 3rd cousins on FTDNA, 23andme, Ancestry and My Heritage, most not in common with each other. The sites are quite often optimistic in their assessments, and because our acestors lived in isolated communities and often married their cousins in the past, these relations can often appear closer on DNA sites. 

In recent family history terms, my great grandparents Benjamin (1855-1945)  and Janet (1859-1937) Brown (Brin from Vishtinetz, now Vistytis) from Edinburgh, Scotland were first cousins. There were many first cousin marriages in this family, who were of rabbinical heritage.  Benjamin's youngest son married Janet's nephew (her brother's son), making them double first cousins.

Also, Benjamin's son Morris (1881-1946) (my grandfather) married Leah Guttenberg (1887-1942) whose mother was Basha Plotnvosky. Basha's sister Rebecca married Solomon Berkowtiz (Karobelnik), whose daughter Annie Leah married David Lazarus Brown, first cousin of Morris Brown, son of Benjamin. This makes their descendants my double second cousins on both the Brown and Plotnovsky side.

This has some interesting DNA results, as the same generation descendants of Benjamin and Janet (first cousins) share a lot more DNA with me, than the descendants of  Benjamin's sister Janet Michaelson nee Brown, who was not a cousin of her husband.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: Death in New York City and burial in New Jersey #usa #germany

I recently received a photo of my great grandfather and great uncle’s grave stone from Saddle Ridge, NJ. The dates match my research. My mother is doubting its authenticity because her family lived in New York and were too poor to afford the nice size stone. Does anyone know why New York families were burying their family members in New Jersey?

Re: Mother Instead of Father on Gravestone #general #germany

Werner Hirsch

I have one such case in my family in Bavaria.  The father was definitely Jewish but he was married more than once and I believe that the mother's name was used simply to identify her.
New Haven, CT USA

Melsungen, Hessen, Germany Amtsrechnungen (Tax Rolls) #germany

Alan Ehrlich


Can anyone advise me where I might find online access to the Melsungen Amtsrechnungen (Tax Rolls) for the years 1799-1804? Or, If you have a copy, do a look up in them on my behalf...

Thank you.

Kind regards,

Alan Ehrlich
Geneva, Switzerland

Re: How to obtain documents in France? #france

Bernard Flam

From Paris,
Hi Ilya,
"Memoire des hommes" (Keeping memory of soldiers, resistants, deportees,..) is the official service of French Ministry of Defense (Army) in charge of history and archives.
You can find traces of any person killed, wounded, during our 20th century History
For deportees,
They have various places where documents are kept and can be viewed / copied depending of which part of French military history is concerned : Invalides (Paris center), Vincennes (Paris East suburb), Caen (Normandy), etc...
In normal time, you can ask copies without visiting archives.
But due to lockdown, I guess a large part of activity is still closed or just reopen (June 30th in Caen)
For myself, I ask a copy in Caen in late February, no reply till today.
I check how you could contact them, we can go on privately.
Bernard Flam
Archives & history of Medem Center - Arbeter Ring (Bund) of France

Re: A question about tattoos and Auschwitz #general #holocaust

Bernard Flam

From Paris,
Hi Simon,
You could ask Auschwitz camp archives :
With this advice, available for Arolsen archives : these two institution display online only a part of their data.
As you are sure of internment of your aunt & uncle in camps, first Auschwitz, then probably one or more  Diplaced Person camp (DP's), you must fill an inquiry form online on each website to get all what they possibly detain. 
Bernard Flam
Archives & history of Medem Center - Arbeter Ring ( Bund / Workmen Circle) of France
Searching FLAM AGID around Lemberg

Re: Which website has records of money transfer requests from Russian/Ukranian jews to American relatives? #poland #general #russia

Daniella Alyagon

Do you know how can I download a copy of a ledger page?

Daniella Alyagon




Researching: ALYAGON (Israel), SHOCHETMAN (Kishinev / Letychev / Derazhnya), AGINSKY (Kishinev / Minsk), FAJNZYLBER (Siennica, Poland / Warsaw, Poland), YELIN (Poland), KIEJZMAN (Garwolin, Poland),  SLIWKA (Garwolin, Poland), MANDELBAUM (Janowiec, Poland / Zwolen, Poland / Kozienice, Poland), CUKIER (Janowiec, Poland), RECHTANT (Kozienice, Poland), FALENBOGEN (Lublin, Poland), ROTENSTREICH (Galicia), SELINGER (Galicia), BITTER (Galicia / Bukowina), HISLER (Galicia / Bukowina ), EIFERMAN (Galicia / Bukowina), FROSTIG (Zolkiew, Galicia / Lviv, Galicia), GRANZBAUER (Zolkiew, Galicia), HERMAN (Zolkiew, Galicia), MESSER (Lviv, Galicia / Vienna, Austria), PROJEKT (Lviv, Galicia), STIERER (Lviv, Galicia), ALTMAN (Lviv, Galicia), FRIEDELS (Lviv, Galicia)

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