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Re: Chasing a Mystery in Philly, and Looking for Puzzle Pieces: Abraham Louis Snader #usa

EdrieAnne Broughton
 

About 10-15 years ago many states started restricting who can ask for official documents.  They were worried about stealing identities, though I don't know who would have stolen Great Aunt Fannie's identity since she was born in 1887.  When I talked to the clerk in Springfield she coached me into saying that Fannie was my great grandmother.  The lady was a sweetheart.
EdrieAnne Broughton
Vacaville, California


Re: Chicago repeat marriage in mid 20th C. #general #usa

Sherri Bobish
 


Hi Hanna,

Did you ever find a record of the 12 Nov 1938 marriage in Chicago?

If not, perhaps they married in 1938 with a religious ceremony, but not a civil license?

If that is the case, maybe in 1950 there was a reason they needed to show a civil marriage record.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ



Re: Jewish vital records of Szrensk (Mlawa area), Poland #poland

Stan Zeidenberg
 

Following the post regarding additional years of Szrensk record indexed by JRI-Poland,

J.Glass asked: "Is there a time frame for their posting online?"


 The additional years of Szrensk indices are part of the Phase 3 Full Extraction project

for the 1868 to 1915 Russian records.  For the status of this project, please go to the

JRI-Poland "Your Town" page for Szrensk: https://jri-poland.org/town/szrensk.htm


For full details of the JRI-Poland mission to fully extract records for which there are

currently only basic indices, please see this Avotaynu article:

https://jri-poland.org/downloads/Avotaynu_2018_Fall_JRI-Poland_Cover_Stanley_Diamond_article.pdf

 

Stan Zeidenberg

Szrensk Town Leader

Mlawa Area Coodinator

 


Polish translation requested for MUNAT/KREPS marriage from Warszawa 1886 #translation #warsaw #poland

Andy Monat
 

I would greatly appreciate a translation of Akta 16 of https://szukajwarchiwach.pl/72/200/0/-/147/skan/full/hH0BSniIs4xbhbpOvVSiHw, which is indexed in JRI-Poland's "Warsaw PSA Births 1864-1905 Marriages 1864-1908 Deaths 1868-70,72-75,77-89,91-1905" as the marriage of Moszek KREPS and Chana Szajndla MUNAT. I am interested in any genealogically relevant information. The bride may be a sister of one of my ancestor Shmuel Moshe MONAT, and also a sister of Josef Hersz MONAT whose birth on 23-Dec-1847 to Izrael and Ryfka Matla is indexed by JRI-Poland as well (in "Warsaw Births 1826-44,46-52,54-66 Marriages 1826-44,46,47,49,51,52,54-57,59-65 Deaths 1826,28-30,32-49, 51-66 Divorces 1826,27").

(It looks like the bride's parent's names are given as something like Izrael Mana[?]a and Ryfki Matli, though the index only lists a single given name for each of them, Izrail and Rifka.)

Please respond privately unless your message is of general interest.           Best regards, 

Andy Monat, Massachusetts, USA


Netherlands National Archives Launches Beta Version of New Catalog to Search and View Records #general #announcements

Jan Meisels Allen
 

    

 

The Dutch National Archives have launched the beta version of its new catalog to search and view their records.

 

To access it, log into your account or create one at:  https://www.nationaalarchief.nl/en/user/login

In the account settings check the option to use the new presentation for archives, called “ use the new chain access”. If you are having difficult seeing your account settings then click “My account” in the top navigation bar.

Go to:  https://www.nationaalarchief.nl/en/research/search?activeTab=archives_legacy

 

After you have activated the new presentation in your account then go to the research sections:

https://www.nationaalarchief.nl/onderzoeken/zoeken?activeTab=archives_legacy   This is in Dutch and you will require a translation aide such as  https://translate.google.com/

 

The Archives is not yet finished with the new presentation.

  • The new viewer makes it easier to browse between different scans in the same register. You can zoom in or out and see the whole volume, swipe to go to the next page on devices with touch screens, and quickly navigate between the pages. The viewer is meant to more closely resemble the browsing experience in the physical books.
  • The search results can now be filtered for different aspects, including whether digital files are available.
  • The finding aids now have the hierarchy displayed on the left, to more easily understand the context of the descriptions you’re viewing and to easily navigate within the finding aids.

 

Thank you to Yvette Hoitink and her Dutch Genealogy Blog for the information.

https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/national-archive-presentation-beta/

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 


need help searching discussion group old messages #general

N. Summers
 

I am trying to find discussions about which genealogy websites are best for jewish genealogy. Having trouble wording an accurate search. Can anyone help me with this?
many thanks

Nancy Summers, Maryland,  summ1@...


Re: Mother Instead of Father on Gravestone #general #germany

Lindsay Broughton
 

Hi

 

I have found a number of gravestones with the mother’s name on them in Hungary and Slovakia, including the gravestone of my great great grandparents, Wilhelm LOVINGER and Amalie LOVINGER  nee MILCH, who are buried in the Bratislava Neolog Jewish Cemetery. I've also seen similar gravestones in the Kozma Utca Jewish Cemetery and Farkasreti Jewish Cemetery in Budapest. Both my great great grandparents knew who their fathers were and both of their respective parents were Jewish. I believe that having the mother’s name on a gravestone, for people in Hungary and Slovakia at least, would have been related to the fact that the person was part of the Neolog community, as opposed to the Orthodox community, and that this practice was one of the reforms of the time associated with the Neolog movement.

Some gravestones with the mother’s name on them include the Hebrew abbreviation Shin Aleph, which is an abbreviation for Shem Ima, meaning mother’s name.

 

Lindsay Broughton

Sydney, Australia


Re: Mother Instead of Father on Gravestone #general #germany

Dubin, David M. MD
 

Although it’s possible the father’s name was not known (maybe he had died many years before or there was a messy divorce and people didn’t want to remember the name), Jews in Bratislava and a few surrounding towns traditionally only had the mother’s name on tombstones.

The apparent explanation is that the deceased was headed toward the next world (called the “world of truth”), and since paternity could not be proven with certainty, the mother’s name was used. 


Re: A question about tattoos and Auschwitz #general #holocaust

Dubin, David M. MD
 

My father in law was in an Auschwitz sub-camp (Gleiwice) and Sachsenhausen. I don’t know in which he was tattooed. I think the former. 


Re: A question about age #general

JoAnne Goldberg
 

Mollie might have been someone else's child -- or maybe she was 9 mos
old. I have seen the month vs year confusion in family's records.
--
JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535
BLOCH, SEGAL, FRIDMAN, KAMINSKY, PLOTNIK/KIN -- LIthuania
GOLDSCHMIDT, HAMMERSCHLAG,HEILBRUNN, REIS(S), EDELMUTH, ROTHSCHILD, SPEI(Y)ER -- Hesse, Germany
COHEN, KAMP, HARFF, FLECK, FRÖHLICH, HAUSMANN,  DANIEL  -- Rhineland, Germany

 


Re: looking for family in Australia from Poland name Cohen/K #general #poland

Daniela Torsh
 

another way of finding someone is to check the arrivals by ship via the National Archives records. These are easy to use. If you cannot find anything write to the National Archives and they will help you find records.


Re: Piesklaik Family #general

Sherri Bobish
 


Hi Lawrie,

The surname Piesklaik (that exact spelling) seems to be rare, and limited to Canada.  A search of both www.familysearch.org and www.ancestry.com find only a handful of listings in databases.

I did find that there are two people with that name who were with The Lagover Mutual Benefit Society.
https://jri-poland.org//kr-sig/journals/Kielce-Radom%20Journal_Vol%203,%20No%204_Autumn%201999.pdf

The Society still exists. 
https://www.jewishfoundationtoronto.com/book-of-life-stories/-00lagover

Perhaps this society may hold records of members which contain helpful data.

I did find at Ancestry.com a Louis Piesklaik making a U.S. border crossing on 13 Oct 1923

His card has a place of birth, but the card is terribly hard to read.  My best guess is that it might say Raiff, or Laiff as the town name.  The country Russia is clear to read.

A soundex search at https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Search.asp
finds a few hits for both spellings, but no clear possibilities for the town.

Perhaps one of our JewishGen mavens can help solve this mystery?

Regards,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ




Re: Chasing a Mystery in Philly, and Looking for Puzzle Pieces: Abraham Louis Snader #usa

MARLISE GROSS
 

I understand what you are saying Edrie.  I asked for my great great aunt's death certificate from PA by saying that I was her niece, and they sent me the record.  I did not have to provide any documentation.  It was not a problem for me, but it could be for someone else.

Marlise Ellis Gross
Cherry Hill, NJ


Re: Institutionalized relative - death date and burial location #general

Linda Epstein
 

Try searching the New York State Index and see if the death record is from Central Islip. It's possible that Ida was buried in the cemetery attached to Pilgrim State. 

Try this site:
https://www.tourolaw.edu/Academics/1238

Linda Epstein


Chicago repeat marriage in mid 20th C. #general #usa

Hanna Grossman
 

Can someone make a suggestion as to why my 4th cousin once removed, Max KIRCHHEIMER (KIRK) who said in his citizenship papers that he married Alice FREUDENTHAL in Chicago on 12 Nov 1938, whose 1940 census shows him living as married with Alice, her parents, siblings and their baby, should show up in a Cook County marriage index as marrying her on 27 Oct 1950?



What reason might there be for marrying the same person again? There is no indication that they were divorced in between.

Hanna Grossman, Arlington, VA


Re: A question about age #general

Sherri Bobish
 


Hi Ellen,

Was Mollie NADLER born in England?  If so, have you looked for her birth record at:
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Based on the info that you have given, my guess would be that Solomon & Annie were raising someone else's child.  Perhaps a sibling or cousin of either Annie or Solomon?

Regards,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ


Re: Mother Instead of Father on Gravestone #general #germany

sfalkjd@...
 

I have seen this once on a gravestone in Vienna of my g-g-g-g-g aunt Rosa FISCHHOF geb. FRIEDLAENDER (ca.1787-1860).   Her father was named Joseph FRIEDLAENDER and her oldest son was named Josef.  It seems unlikely that the father's name could have been forgotten, since the namesake grandson was around for over 50 years (though he did die 3 years before his mother).  Based on the birth of the namesake in 1804, and the the seeming re-marriage of this wife in about 1804 (had a son in 1805),I have assumed that Rosa's father died in 1803 or 1804.

There is no reason to doubt that Joseph FRIEDLAENDER was Jewish.  However, I could entertain the possibility that he did not die in 1804, but instead that he converted to Christianity around that time (no evidence), leading to a divorce from his wife (no evidence) so that she could re-marry ca.1804 -- and leading to his omission from his daughter's gravestone.  (Though his daughter did name a son after him in 1804; not so likely if had converted and not died.)

I have wondered about this reference to the mother and not the father on a gravestone, but have not learned the reason for this specific instance or the occasional appearance of this phenomenon.

All the best,
Stephen Falk
Point Roberts, WA, USA


Don’t Miss the Webinar on July 8! #education #JewishGenUpdates

Nancy Siegel
 

We invite you to attend another free presentation in our series of JewishGen Talks webinars, with our speaker, Dr. Joel Weintraub.

 

Manifest Destiny: Names at Ellis Island

Wednesday, July 8, 2020

3:00 pm Eastern Time (New York)

Presented in Partnership with the Orange County JGS

 

About 70% of immigrants to the U.S. during 1892 through 1954 came through the Ellis Island immigration station. The station’s history, including the Wall of Honor, and the changing questions on ship manifest forms, will be shown.

 

The pressures of the "Great Migration" eventually led to immigration quotas. The persistent myth of name changes at Ellis Island will be analyzed. Twenty percent of processed immigrants ended up on detention sheets, and we will discuss where those can be found. Finally, with case studies, we will find out how to use all three (3!) of the ship name indexes.

 

After this talk the audience should have a clear idea of the process the immigrants went through, and a greater appreciation of the manifest as a genealogy research tool.

 

Dr. Joel Weintraub is an award-winning Professor Emeritus at California State University Fullerton; creator of search tools for the U.S. and New York City censuses via SteveMorse.org; and is currently developing locational tools for the 2022 release of the 1950 federal census.

 

Advance Registration Required!

Please click here:

https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_NG6QZ1GrSuCyGbwUNGtVvA


After registering, you will receive a confirmation email about how to join the webinar.


Questions? Go to:

https://bit.ly/JewishGenTalks-FAQs

 

For information on other JewishGen Talks webinars, go to:


Nancy Siegel (San Francisco, CA)
Director of Communications 
JewishGen.org




Re: Relationship question #general

Nicole Heymans
 

My mother's aunt married a widower with 4 very young children, some time in the 1920s. The grandchildren were adults before they discovered grandma was not their biological grandma.
Death records are notoriously unreliable because they rely on what informants think they know. Maybe Annie was married to or widow of a NADLER when she died, but had previously been married to a WALDHORN. Maybe Aron and Annie followed different religious paths, and one described her parents using secular names and the other used Jewish names.
Happy hunting, Nicole Heymans, Belgium


Re: Relationship question #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

Many years ago, when early deaths were common, kids often took the family name of the stepfather after their widowed mother remarried. It is possible that one or both of these children, Annie WALDHORN and Aron KENIG, did this. If the death certificate says her name was Annie KENIG NADLER, then married WALDHORN, this might have happened here.

Annie might have been born to the mother and father KENIG, but her mother was widowed and remarried NADLER. Since you don't have all the first names, we have a lot of 'wiggle room'. It is possible too, that her mother died then, and her stepfather remarried, so that the children might only have known the stepfather and 2nd (or third) wife. Things weren't officially recorded if a parent died and the remaining parent remarried. It is so sad to see a 20 year old widow or widower remarrying.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ