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Re: US Passports #usa

A. E. Jordan
 




-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Reische

Would US citizens be required to hold passports for 1927 travel ex US,
and if so, what information would have been required?


Yes by the late 1920s US citizens were getting passports for travel to Europe not so much for the Caribbean or near in places.  My grandparents did the grand tour in the mid 1920s and I got their passports although it was painful to do.

The applications through the early 1920s are online and you can search them out and review them that way.  After that cutoff they are still at the passport bureau.  When I did it I was told you could do a FOIA via either the State Department or the Passport Bureau.  I did the State Department because the woman at State was very nice and helpful.  She actually intervened with Passport Bureau when I was having problems getting the records,

First thing I would suggest if you are going to file for a copy is search the passenger lists on line and see if you can find the people either inbound or outbound.  Sometimes not always they wrote passport numbers in when they returned and if you get that lucky it is a major head start.  It shows up with pp note most times.  But even if you do not find the passport it gives you dates for the travel.

When I did my requests they wanted the dates, the names, the address they were living at and both proof the person was deceased and proof of relationship which I did with a photocopy of the death certificate.  I did not send originals.

In the case of my great grandfather they passport folks sent me the dreaded not found letter the first time I filed even though I knew the basic details of his travel and the address where he lived.  I later found his passenger lists with the passport numbers and I printed and highlighted his name and passport number and that time they found them.  It took months to get them (he had two passports for two different trips) and as I said State had to give them a little push.  A year after I got the first copies I got a second copy in the mail from the Passport Bureau of the exact same information.

I wanted it because in addition to a photo it asks where he was born but at least in my case he got away with saying just Russia without details.  Even still I got his description, his address, when he planned to go and where he was going and why , which was he was visiting his son studying in Europe.  So I did not get what I hoped for but they were still interesting to see.

Allan Jordan
Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Bob Bloomberg
 

Obviously the name was written at the point of departure.  I believe I said that in one of my posts.  That doesn't mean that names weren't written illegibly, spelled incorrectly, heard incorrectly.
 
Re: Hebrew Translation of Headstone please #translation

Dubin, David M. MD
 

Here lies Mr Feivel son of Mr Leib
died 2 Shvat 5630

here lies Ms Chava daughter of Mr David
died 16 Second Adar (it was a leap year with a second month of Adar) 5630
bottom abbreviation stands for may his (or her) souls be bound in the bonds of everlasting life 
Re: Need help with "Records of Aliens Pre-Examined in CANADA" 1918 #canada

Shelley Mitchell
 

Yes. Tremont Avenue is in The Bronx. And there has been a train for a while between Canada and US. One of your links is broken so I might be missing something.

However, is it possible that your relative was staying in Canada during the Spanish Flu?

Why Canada? Not enough details like a Canadian Census or newspaper articles, for example.
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Shelley Mitchell, NYC    shemit@...
Searching for TERNER, GOLDSCHEIN, KONIGSBERG, SCHONFELD, in Kolomyya; PLATZ, in Delaytn; and TOPF, in Radautz and Kolomea.
Waldheim Jewish Cemetery" #usa

Robert Murowchick
 

Many thanks for these links, Martin. I have made a number of treks to the Waldheim Cemetery complex in search of relatives' graves, some successful, and some not. The Waldheim staff has been very helpful providing whatever details they have in their database about gravestone locations, but I have run into several recurring problems: sometimes the gravestones are simply not where they are supposed to be (perhaps they were removed later, per family requests?); the database gives grave locations by "gates" (named sections of the cemetery), but many of the gate name signs have long gone missing. In a cemetery this size, that leads to lots of wandering. Out of frustration I searched online and over the years have found a number of "official" as well as informal lists and hand-sketched maps that have proven extremely useful, which I have loaded to my GoogleDrive for anyone who is interested (see link below). 

The cemetery appears to be pretty well maintained these days, although the threats of encroachment from surrounding commercial and highway pressures are clear. Nearly 100,000 of the almost 200,000 graves have been photographed and entered into the Find-a-Grave database at https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/108709/waldheim-cemetery-co. Unfortunately, some of gravestones have been vandalized over the years, especially the wonderful photo portraits that are mounted on some graves (you will see instances of this in the FindaGrave images that provide multiple photos of gravestones taken over the course of five or ten years). During one of my visits in a remote part of the cemetery where my grandmother was supposedly buried, I was happy when a local police car appeared within minutes to see what I was up to--it seems that they are making an effort to keep the cemetery protected from vandals. 

I've loaded a number of lists and maps of Waldheim's many "gates" and burial societies to the following shared folder on my GoogleDrive, for anyone who would like to see them. (I will keep them there for the next few months, and will add more Waldheim material as I find it). If you are trying to locate specific graves in the vast Waldheim complex, by all means use these lists and maps--they might save you a lot of effort during your search! And if you have a chance to visit Waldheim, consider adding photos to the FindaGrave gravestone database or other similar databases for the benefit of others.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UU-xWE5jkc5fU3diAJk6_8rSkCKWcnBA?usp=sharing

I am attaching here an interesting 2016 article in the Chicago Jewish Historical Society's newsletter on Waldheim Cemetery and the Haymarket Martyrs Memorial there.
With best wishes,
Bob Murowchick
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Robert Murowchick    <robertmurowchick AT gmail.com>
Needham, MA

Researching these family links:
MUROWCHICK/MURAWCHICK/MURAWCZYK etc (David-Gorodok and Luninyets, Belarus, New Jersey, Chicago)
KUNECK/KONIK/KYONIK (Kozhan-Gorodok, Belarus)
EPSTEIN/EPSTINE (Gavish/Gavieze, Liepaja, Latvia)
SEGAL/SIEGEL (Tilsit, Koenigsburg, Germany; Baltimore; Chicago)

PDF
Chicago Jewish History-Summer-2016, article on Waldheim Cemetery.pdf

Re: Does anyone know where Nishene Russia is? #poland #russia

Barbara Hemmendinger
 

May also be spelled as Nizhyn.  It was formerly in the Russian empire and is now in Ukraine (Chernihiv, or formerly Chernigov). 

Barbara Hemmendinger 
researching surnames of Basin and Kozachkov from Starodub, Klintsy, Mglin, Surazh, Nizhyn, Pochep. 
Re: Hebrew Translation of Headstone please #translation

Malka
 

Hello Karen,

 

Mrs.  Chava daughter of reb David

Passed away 15 Adar B 5730 (1970)

 

Last line abbreviation – may her soul be gathered in eternal life

 

Shalom, Malka Chosnek
Re: Hebrew record, is Fani Taub here? #hungary

Yitschok Margareten
 

This list has only male births, based on circumsizion records. 
US Passports #usa

Alan Reische
 

Would US citizens be required to hold passports for 1927 travel ex US,
and if so, what information would have been required?

Please respond privately if mods deem this of insufficient interest.

Thanks, Alan Reische
Daughter of Saul Ben Judah (Sir Saul Wahl) Wahl Katzenellenbogen #names

Stanley Levine
 

Can anyone confirm  a daughter of Saul Katzenellenbogen. She was married to Rabbi Dayan Moshe Hakohen Katz Rappaport Ashkenazi aka Aaron Moses (Munk)

Her name was Nechama Nechele "Mali" OR

Stan

 

Stan Levine

Stanlevine13@...

C -  919-607-3739

H - 919-694-5729

 

 
Re: Hebrew record, is Fani Taub here? #hungary

David Shapiro
 

Correct, these are all males, because it is not a record of births. It is a record of circumcisions. If you go back to page 6 this is stated clearly (in Hebrew).

David  Shapiro
Jerusalem
Re: Two death Dates On Lithuanian Data Base #lithuania #general

Russ Maurer
 

Although these two records have the same name and patronymic, and nearly the same year of birth calculated from the death date and age (1831 and 1828), I don't see how they could be the same person. These are Vilna death records, which were recorded as they occurred (ie as they were reported) which I think rules out any exotic hypothesis such as an erroneous record that was subsequently corrected, or a dramatic misreading of the date. Unfortunately, there is no other information in the Vilna death records, such as an address, so unless you have separate evidence that your gggf was alive after 1895, or lived past his mid-60s, you may not be able to figure out which record is his.

Russ Maurer
A short blog I have written on my search for Isaac Bellam #unitedkingdom

aaran1286@...
 

Re: A tribute to "the man who saved Jewish Waldheim Cemetery" #usa

Carola Murray-Seegert
 

Martin, thank you SO much for this invaluable resource. I have visited Waldheim (virtually) many, many times when researching Chicago families, but until now did not understand the history of the cemeteries. The YouTube video is extremely interesting and also heart-warming. Very helpful and informative!
Carola Murray-Seegert
Oberursel Germany
Researching SKOLNIK, ISAACSON, FRIEDMAN, PINCKOWITZ (Chicago IL, Bransk and Knischin, Poland); MAIMON, COIN, FELSCHER (Chicago IL, Radauti-Prut RO, Taurage, LI)
Jewish cemetery in Zdunska Wola #poland

Terry Ashton
 

I was wondering if anyone knows if there is a complete list of gravestones with photos of the headstones in the Jewish cemetery in Zdunska Wola and is so, how can it be accessed? My gt. gt grandfather, Chaskiel David Praszkier, is buried there but I am wondering if there are other members of his family and predecessors there too?

 

Terry Ashton,  Australia

PRASHKER: Kalisz, Poland/SZUMOWSKI: Gorki, Zdunska Wola, Lomza,  Poland/WAJNGOT: Poland/WIERZBOWICZ: Gorki, Lomza, Poland/GOLDMAN: Blaszki, Poland/SEGAL/SEGALOVITCH: Vilnius, Lithuania/HOLTZ: Dvinsk, Russia

 

 
Spanish Diplomat Angel Sanz Briz Recognized for Saving 5,000 Jews From Nazi Persecution #hungary #holocaust

Jan Meisels Allen
 

A mural of Ángel Sanz Briz was painted in 2016        

in Budapest. (Gobierno de Espana)

 

After the Nazi invasion on 19 March 1944, codenamed Operation Margarethe, the chief SS Holocaust organizer Adolf Eichmann moved to Budapest with a plan to eliminate Hungary's roughly one million Jews in record time.  In a matter of weeks the SS deported more than 400,000 Jews to Auschwitz. 

 

Spanish diplomat, Ángel Sanz Briz, who saved over 5,000 Jews from Nazi persecution in Hungary has been given an online tribute 40 years after his death in Argentina.  He is sometimes referred to as the “Angel of Budapest”.

 

 

As reports grew about the escalating Holocaust at Auschwitz and other Nazi killing sites, Sanz Briz started informing the fascist Franco government in Spain about the appalling truth.  A key document he sent was the Vrba-Wetzler report, by two Jewish escapees from Auschwitz.

 

Part of the Vrba-Wetzler report on the Nazi gas chambers at Auschwitz - sent by Sanz Briz to Madrid

 

He began to take the law into his own hands, falsifying consular documents to grant nationality to refugees on the basis of a long-expired 1924 Spanish law aimed at Sephardic Jews, even though Hungary's Jewish community was overwhelmingly Ashkenazi.

 

Sanz Briz was appointed by Spain to the Hungarian diplomatic post in 1944.  He received the consent of the Hungarian authorities to enable 200 Spanish Jews to receive them, but he turned that into 200 families, and kept increasing the number. It is believed that in the last seven months of 1944, Briz issued forged Spanish documents to 5,200 Jews.  As the Nazis and Hungarian fascists closed in on the city's Jews, moving them into confined quarters and killing people in the streets, Sanz Briz rented 11 apartment buildings to house the approximately 5,000 people he had placed under Spain's protection.

 

To read more see:  https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/spanish-schindler-who-reportedly-saved-over-5000-jews-during-wwii-given-online-tribute

 

Sanz Briz set up special apartment buildings with Spanish flags, marking these buildings as part of the Spanish Legation and therefore protected, to house Jews.  Since those Jews staying in the “Spanish Houses” were forbidden from leaving the buildings, he also provided them with food and other necessities.  Sanz Briz continued to use his power to help save Jews by urging the Red Cross representative to put Spanish signs on hospitals, maternity clinics, and orphanages in Budapest where there were Jews so that these buildings would also be under Spanish protection.  Jews were hidden in the Spanish embassy in Buda, bribes were paid to local officials.

 

Read more at: https://jfr.org/rescuer-stories/sanz-briz-angel/

 

Sanz Briz left Budapest in November 1944, ordered out by his superiors in Madrid, who feared he would suffer reprisals from the approaching Soviet army, due to Spain's help for the Germans on the Eastern front.

To read more see:  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47536432

 

He died in 1980.  Yad Vashem recognized him as Righteous Among the Nations in 1966. 

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 

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Re: Lincoln Brigade and Spanish Civil War #usa

Kenneth Ryesky
 


This was in 2006; perhaps I spoke with the wrong bureaucrat at the library.  Oftentimes, bureaucrats (library or otherwise) at academic institutions are students who are pleased to get some sort of paltry income from an institution that is pleased to be able to find someone to accept substandard wages.

[During my undergrad years I myself was employed as a "student assistant" shelving books at the university's library.  On my income tax returns, I entered "Bibliotechnician" as my occupation.].

Sometimes, asking someone else after the first bureaucrat says "no" can get you to a "yes," but for me it never came to that because I did a workaround through the good offices of my contacts at my own institution's library.


Thanks for the clarification, Erika.

-- KHR

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Ken Ryesky,  Petach Tikva, Israel     kenneth.ryesky@...
Re: Does anyone know where Nishene Russia is? #poland #russia

Kenneth Ryesky
 

Nezhin comes immediately to mind.

There used to be a Neziner Congregation in Philadelphia (until one of the rabbis they engaged stole its sefer Torah).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizhyn
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Ken Ryesky,  Petach Tikva, Israel     kenneth.ryesky@...
Re: Why would my Grandfather travel under his older brother's name? #names

Cheryl Lynn Blum
 

My grandfather also traveled under his older brother's name, but his older bother stayed behind, living under his own name in Vilna. (When he came over 20 years later, he had to use his middle name because his name was already taken.) 
Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Dahn Cukier
 

Mr. Bloomberg, I do claim the changes were made at point of departure.

It is at point of departure that the manifest was made, and the passenger ship
company was very careful that the manifest was correct. So much so that
when my GF's wife was not listed correctly, they were sent to
have the manifest corrected.

If there are no changes at EI, there are no mistakes due to EI.

I have found only one grandparent's name in Romania, the spelling at
EI is the same as his family name in the book Dorohoi. My GF arrived in 1913,
the book was compiled after WWII. His brother arrived (1907) with the same
name, but by 1913 he had changed the spelling.

I support the theory that names were NOT changed at Ellis Island.
I propose the theory that names were changed at point of departure
by the purser who was responsible for making out the manifest and
the spelling variations and changes were the difference between the
pronunciation and the local - to the port - language. Not every language
has the sounds of every other.

The back of manifest documents (1920) document what may be changed
by the Ellis Island people, names are not included.

Dani

If a Mexican named Jesus walked to Canada and boarded a ship without
documents how would his name be spelt?

When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas
(Gunsmoke)


On Saturday, July 11, 2020, 07:35:44 PM GMT+3, Bob Bloomberg <rpbrpb2012@...> wrote:


I did not say that anyone wrote a name down.  What I said was that people make mistakes, especially when overwhelmed, over worked  and maybe not paying strict attention.  Name tag or no, manifest or no, questions or no, mistakes were made, and names INADVERTENTLY were changed.  You might want to read Dahn Cukier's response.
 
What I don't understand is why people blame the discrepancies on points of embarkation, faulty manifests, whatever, but NEVER at Ellis Island.
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