Re: Research individuals in France #france


Bonjour à Tous
Je suis désolé d'utiliser ce fil de discussion mais ma question est en direction de Bernard Flam et concerne le lien évoqué dans sa réponse concernant les listes scolaires.
Ma tante Hilde MARX, née à Duisbourg le 13 septembre 1924 a été raflée avec ses parents à Bry-Sur-Marne en juillet 1942.
Dirigée vers Drancy, Elle est déclarée morte avec ses parents le 29 juillet 1942 à Auschwitz comme la totalité des 1000 déportés de son convoi.
Elle fait donc partie de la longue liste des enfants juifs morts en déportation.
Je sais que ma famille était réfugiée à Forbach de 1933 à 1935 puis à Bry-sur-Marne de 1935 à 1942 et que durant cette période ma tante a obligatoirement été scolarisée.
Aussi je suis à la recherche de conseils pouvant me permettre d'en découvrir un peu plus sur elle.
En vous remerciant par avance

Good morning all
I am sorry to use this topic, but my question is for Bernard Flam and concerns the link mentioned in his answer concerning school lists.
My aunt Hilde MARX, born in Duisburg on September 13, 1924 was arrested with her parents in Bry-Sur-Marne in July 1942.
Directed towards Drancy, She was declared dead with her parents on July 29, 1942 in Auschwitz as the total of the 1000 deportees of her convoy.
She is on the long list of Jewish children who died in deportation.
I know that my family was a refugee in Forbach from 1933 to 1935 and then in Bry-sur-Marne from 1935 to 1942 and that during this period my aunt had to attend school.
I am looking for advice that can allow me to discover a little more about it.
Thanks you in advance

Re: Need help with "Records of Aliens Pre-Examined in CANADA" 1918 #canada

Paul Chirlin

The index card is a duplicate of the information on the manifest
see all 3 pages of the manifest.
It seems Fanny was in the US from 1912 to Dec 1918, then went to Montreal for a few months, perhaps visiting someone, then on 10 May 1919 she was "examined" for returning permanently to the US. Some of the earlier pages have names of ships, but her page does not.  I don't know what a class C vs a class B alien might be. 

Familysearch has a much sharper copy of the alien manifest
as well as an additional index card

You can search Montreal city directories on Stevemorse.  The 1918 and 1919 city directory at 198 Fifth only lists Jesse Ash

Re: How to determine Warsaw street address? #warsaw

Michael Turnbull

Where can I find Online a Warsaw Street Index for 1915, 1914, 1913, 1912?
The particular Person and Street I am looking for is:

Orla str., 5/7 Tarnower, Adolf.

Many thanks.

Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Bob Bloomberg

I agree.  Names were changed at point of departure.  I do not agree that the officials at Ellis Island NEVER NEVER NEVER made a mistake

Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Bob Bloomberg

I think you missed several posts.  Long ago the idea that names were changed on purpose was put to rest.  No one's name were changed against their will

Re: US Passports #usa

A. E. Jordan

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Reische

Would US citizens be required to hold passports for 1927 travel ex US,
and if so, what information would have been required?

Yes by the late 1920s US citizens were getting passports for travel to Europe not so much for the Caribbean or near in places.  My grandparents did the grand tour in the mid 1920s and I got their passports although it was painful to do.

The applications through the early 1920s are online and you can search them out and review them that way.  After that cutoff they are still at the passport bureau.  When I did it I was told you could do a FOIA via either the State Department or the Passport Bureau.  I did the State Department because the woman at State was very nice and helpful.  She actually intervened with Passport Bureau when I was having problems getting the records,

First thing I would suggest if you are going to file for a copy is search the passenger lists on line and see if you can find the people either inbound or outbound.  Sometimes not always they wrote passport numbers in when they returned and if you get that lucky it is a major head start.  It shows up with pp note most times.  But even if you do not find the passport it gives you dates for the travel.

When I did my requests they wanted the dates, the names, the address they were living at and both proof the person was deceased and proof of relationship which I did with a photocopy of the death certificate.  I did not send originals.

In the case of my great grandfather they passport folks sent me the dreaded not found letter the first time I filed even though I knew the basic details of his travel and the address where he lived.  I later found his passenger lists with the passport numbers and I printed and highlighted his name and passport number and that time they found them.  It took months to get them (he had two passports for two different trips) and as I said State had to give them a little push.  A year after I got the first copies I got a second copy in the mail from the Passport Bureau of the exact same information.

I wanted it because in addition to a photo it asks where he was born but at least in my case he got away with saying just Russia without details.  Even still I got his description, his address, when he planned to go and where he was going and why , which was he was visiting his son studying in Europe.  So I did not get what I hoped for but they were still interesting to see.

Allan Jordan

Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

Bob Bloomberg

Obviously the name was written at the point of departure.  I believe I said that in one of my posts.  That doesn't mean that names weren't written illegibly, spelled incorrectly, heard incorrectly.

Re: Hebrew Translation of Headstone please #translation

Dubin, David M. MD

Here lies Mr Feivel son of Mr Leib
died 2 Shvat 5630

here lies Ms Chava daughter of Mr David
died 16 Second Adar (it was a leap year with a second month of Adar) 5630
bottom abbreviation stands for may his (or her) souls be bound in the bonds of everlasting life 

Re: Need help with "Records of Aliens Pre-Examined in CANADA" 1918 #canada

Shelley Mitchell

Yes. Tremont Avenue is in The Bronx. And there has been a train for a while between Canada and US. One of your links is broken so I might be missing something.

However, is it possible that your relative was staying in Canada during the Spanish Flu?

Why Canada? Not enough details like a Canadian Census or newspaper articles, for example.
Shelley Mitchell, NYC    shemit@...
Searching for TERNER, GOLDSCHEIN, KONIGSBERG, SCHONFELD, in Kolomyya; PLATZ, in Delaytn; and TOPF, in Radautz and Kolomea.

Waldheim Jewish Cemetery" #usa

Robert Murowchick

Many thanks for these links, Martin. I have made a number of treks to the Waldheim Cemetery complex in search of relatives' graves, some successful, and some not. The Waldheim staff has been very helpful providing whatever details they have in their database about gravestone locations, but I have run into several recurring problems: sometimes the gravestones are simply not where they are supposed to be (perhaps they were removed later, per family requests?); the database gives grave locations by "gates" (named sections of the cemetery), but many of the gate name signs have long gone missing. In a cemetery this size, that leads to lots of wandering. Out of frustration I searched online and over the years have found a number of "official" as well as informal lists and hand-sketched maps that have proven extremely useful, which I have loaded to my GoogleDrive for anyone who is interested (see link below). 

The cemetery appears to be pretty well maintained these days, although the threats of encroachment from surrounding commercial and highway pressures are clear. Nearly 100,000 of the almost 200,000 graves have been photographed and entered into the Find-a-Grave database at Unfortunately, some of gravestones have been vandalized over the years, especially the wonderful photo portraits that are mounted on some graves (you will see instances of this in the FindaGrave images that provide multiple photos of gravestones taken over the course of five or ten years). During one of my visits in a remote part of the cemetery where my grandmother was supposedly buried, I was happy when a local police car appeared within minutes to see what I was up to--it seems that they are making an effort to keep the cemetery protected from vandals. 

I've loaded a number of lists and maps of Waldheim's many "gates" and burial societies to the following shared folder on my GoogleDrive, for anyone who would like to see them. (I will keep them there for the next few months, and will add more Waldheim material as I find it). If you are trying to locate specific graves in the vast Waldheim complex, by all means use these lists and maps--they might save you a lot of effort during your search! And if you have a chance to visit Waldheim, consider adding photos to the FindaGrave gravestone database or other similar databases for the benefit of others.

I am attaching here an interesting 2016 article in the Chicago Jewish Historical Society's newsletter on Waldheim Cemetery and the Haymarket Martyrs Memorial there.
With best wishes,
Bob Murowchick

Robert Murowchick    <robertmurowchick AT>
Needham, MA

Researching these family links:
MUROWCHICK/MURAWCHICK/MURAWCZYK etc (David-Gorodok and Luninyets, Belarus, New Jersey, Chicago)
KUNECK/KONIK/KYONIK (Kozhan-Gorodok, Belarus)
EPSTEIN/EPSTINE (Gavish/Gavieze, Liepaja, Latvia)
SEGAL/SIEGEL (Tilsit, Koenigsburg, Germany; Baltimore; Chicago)

Re: Does anyone know where Nishene Russia is? #poland #russia

Barbara Hemmendinger

May also be spelled as Nizhyn.  It was formerly in the Russian empire and is now in Ukraine (Chernihiv, or formerly Chernigov). 

Barbara Hemmendinger 
researching surnames of Basin and Kozachkov from Starodub, Klintsy, Mglin, Surazh, Nizhyn, Pochep. 

Re: Hebrew Translation of Headstone please #translation


Hello Karen,


Mrs.  Chava daughter of reb David

Passed away 15 Adar B 5730 (1970)


Last line abbreviation – may her soul be gathered in eternal life


Shalom, Malka Chosnek

Re: Hebrew record, is Fani Taub here? #hungary


This list has only male births, based on circumsizion records. 

US Passports #usa

Alan Reische

Would US citizens be required to hold passports for 1927 travel ex US,
and if so, what information would have been required?

Please respond privately if mods deem this of insufficient interest.

Thanks, Alan Reische

Daughter of Saul Ben Judah (Sir Saul Wahl) Wahl Katzenellenbogen #names

Stanley Levine

Can anyone confirm  a daughter of Saul Katzenellenbogen. She was married to Rabbi Dayan Moshe Hakohen Katz Rappaport Ashkenazi aka Aaron Moses (Munk)

Her name was Nechama Nechele "Mali" OR



Stan Levine


C -  919-607-3739

H - 919-694-5729



Re: Hebrew record, is Fani Taub here? #hungary

David Shapiro

Correct, these are all males, because it is not a record of births. It is a record of circumcisions. If you go back to page 6 this is stated clearly (in Hebrew).

David  Shapiro

Re: Two death Dates On Lithuanian Data Base #lithuania #general

Russ Maurer

Although these two records have the same name and patronymic, and nearly the same year of birth calculated from the death date and age (1831 and 1828), I don't see how they could be the same person. These are Vilna death records, which were recorded as they occurred (ie as they were reported) which I think rules out any exotic hypothesis such as an erroneous record that was subsequently corrected, or a dramatic misreading of the date. Unfortunately, there is no other information in the Vilna death records, such as an address, so unless you have separate evidence that your gggf was alive after 1895, or lived past his mid-60s, you may not be able to figure out which record is his.

Russ Maurer

A short blog I have written on my search for Isaac Bellam #unitedkingdom


Re: A tribute to "the man who saved Jewish Waldheim Cemetery" #usa

Carola Murray-Seegert

Martin, thank you SO much for this invaluable resource. I have visited Waldheim (virtually) many, many times when researching Chicago families, but until now did not understand the history of the cemeteries. The YouTube video is extremely interesting and also heart-warming. Very helpful and informative!
Carola Murray-Seegert
Oberursel Germany
Researching SKOLNIK, ISAACSON, FRIEDMAN, PINCKOWITZ (Chicago IL, Bransk and Knischin, Poland); MAIMON, COIN, FELSCHER (Chicago IL, Radauti-Prut RO, Taurage, LI)

Jewish cemetery in Zdunska Wola #poland

Terry Ashton

I was wondering if anyone knows if there is a complete list of gravestones with photos of the headstones in the Jewish cemetery in Zdunska Wola and is so, how can it be accessed? My gt. gt grandfather, Chaskiel David Praszkier, is buried there but I am wondering if there are other members of his family and predecessors there too?


Terry Ashton,  Australia

PRASHKER: Kalisz, Poland/SZUMOWSKI: Gorki, Zdunska Wola, Lomza,  Poland/WAJNGOT: Poland/WIERZBOWICZ: Gorki, Lomza, Poland/GOLDMAN: Blaszki, Poland/SEGAL/SEGALOVITCH: Vilnius, Lithuania/HOLTZ: Dvinsk, Russia



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