Re: Emigration Routes to London UK 1890s #courland #latvia #russia #poland #general

Jill Whitehead

Hi Rachel

I suggest you look at records held by 1) The UK National Archives online for migration 2) The University of Hull 3) Hull Maritime Museum and also Grimsby Maritime Museum, both ports on the River Humber 4) Hamburg port records- all available online. Also 5) Shipping line records especially the Wilson Shipping Line of Hull. NB there are few if any passenger manifests for any migration at this time as either they were not kept or they were destroyed.

My ancestors came over to Northern England and Scotland between 1865 and 1875, they came by sailing boat to Hull or Leith, the port for Edinburgh. Others went to the Port of London, or to other ports in NE England e.g. Newcastle on Tyne.The new deep water port of Grimsby opened in the early to mid 1890's from memory, to take steamships. 

Many sailed from Hamburg in the 1890's, after train trips from elsewhere in Estern Europe. My ancestors probably sailed from either Libau in Latvia or from Konigsberg - they lived on the border with Konigsberg, and there was a lot of human smuggling that occured across that border for those who had been called up by the Tsar to his army. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

David Choukroun

Same story on my side : to avoid the very long duty (several years) in the Czar' Army, the family legend is saying that 4 or 5 boys where registered (not sure about real adoption) under another name.  So this is clearly not a unique case

names : Winagrad, Rabinovitch, Bondar
location : Slonime (Russia), and Jassy (Bessarabia)

No clue about how to find the real names after such trick - by luck in looking at census with addresses, or missing children while looking at the years of birth (and only girls) etc... but really low low probability

David Choukroun
Paris, France

Re: Hebrew record, is Fani Taub here? #hungary


Are there many birth records, and for females too? Is it possible to see Fanni Taub here?
Thank you for your help
Best wishes

Re: Friedmann restaurant in Baden Bei Wien 1900-1915? #austria-czech #hungary


Hi Veronika
Sorry not to reply before, I have only just seen these messages, I didn't know to look here before.
I think it might be a different branch of the Friedmann family as he was married to Szidonia. I have now found quite a lot of information about them through various sources, but thank you for your interest and help!

Re: Friedmann restaurant in Baden Bei Wien 1900-1915? #austria-czech #hungary


Hi Michel
I'm so sorry not to have replied to this message, I have only just seen it, but now I also know to look here for responses. I think I did try to contact Irma, but perhaps a call would be better, I will try that. Your biography sounds very interesting, is it publicly available to read?
Many thanks for your help

Re: 1933 marriage Friedmann/Weiss at Schiffschule synagogue, Vienna #austria-czech


Aaaaah. Thank you Johann, I will have to add to my list of records to request when life normalises post Covid. So sorry I didn't reply before, I've only just clocked that messages can be sent within a thread publicly as well as by email.
Best wishes

Marriage records from Nancy, France #france

David Ziants

I am descended maternally from the GEWELBE family from Warsaw. My third great-grandfather was
(Jacob GEWELBE), and am sure that many of the surviving records and indexes from Warsaw (including someone involved in the Warsaw uprising and also someone else who was on Schilndler's list in Karkow) with this name, were named after this common ancestor, or possibly after a namesake cousin.

One Jacques GEWELBE, born 1895 in Warsaw, lived in Nancy, France and his wife Leonie lived in Basel, Switzerland. They married in Nancy in 1922. I am trying to ascertain, or refute, that the parents of Jacques were Solomon Ephraim and Esther nee GELBROT. Esther died in 1899 (her gravestone can be found though Jewishgen search), and Solomon remarried to my great-grandmother Rebecca nee SINGER.

As is well known, many records are missing on JRI-Poland. I have written to the USA Holocaust museum as Jacques perished in the Holocaust, being on a transport from France to Aushwitz. There is a memorial for him, and also I have papers from the museum attesting to the above narrative, but so far have not been able to obtain names of Jacob/Jacques' parents. Am also being helped along by the organization:-

The Emanuel Ringelblum Jewish Historical Institute

Jewish Genealogy & Family Heritage Center

ul. Tłomackie 3/5, Warsaw, Poland  

phone: +4822 828 5962

email: <familyheritage@...>

Facebook: Jewish Genealogy at JHI
Website: Genealogy Center of ŻIH

but, so far, they do not have this specific information.

I am not sure how much the Jewish community in Basel can help me with this, especially as only his wife and son actually lived in Basel before the War, and he continued to live in Nancy, no doubt supporting his family from there.

Does anyone know how it is possible to search records in Nancy, France either through the general archives or through the Jewish community there?
If there is a surviving record, then hopefully this will contain the information that I am seeking.

David Ziants
Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel
dziants AT (put "@" instead of " AT ").
Searching GEWELBE, SINGER  from Warsaw; REINA from Netherlands; MICHAELS from early 19th century Ashkenazi UK and Western Europe; VIEIRA, JUDA-RODRIGUEZ and all Sephardi families from Netherlands and UK; ZIANTS, ZENETSKY (became SCHLOSBERG), FRIEDMAN, ISMACH (became DAVIDSON and OSMAN), ALPERT from Narewka, Bialystok, Lomza, Lodz, Bielsk and Warsaw.

Re: Ballasagyarmat: what census records are there? #hungary


Hi Julia
Thank you so much! Apologies for the delay in replying, I had some email replies but didn't realise they appeared within the thread too, I don't think you get separate alerts for that. I'll have to search back on previous questions I asked to check there are no other unanswered replies...!
I had a quick look at that link, yes a wealth of information but it's only heads of house isn't it? so needs matching to the 1848 census I guess. 
Lots of fun ahead to be had, but absolutely great to have it on line, THANK YOU.

Re: Ballasagyarmat: what census records are there? #hungary


Hi Judy
I've only just realised that replies may appear within the discussion thread, in addition to email replies, hence the delay in my reply to you, many apologies!!
Very many thanks for that, I will search for those films, I don't mind slogs at all if they reveal results! The main difficulty with Weisz/Vaisz I think is that it is a pretty common name, and not all branches seem to be interrelated, but matching up with other Weisz families from Balassa I think will also help, where this forum is also invaluable I think.
Thank you so much again for your help and interest

Re: Emigration Routes to London UK 1890s #courland #latvia #russia #poland #general

rv Kaplan

They probably sailed from Libau (have never seen any passenger lists) or Hamburg (passenger lists on Ancestry).
Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland

Rachel bill.johra@... via 

03:37 (6 hours ago)
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In trying to break down brick walls I'm revisiting avenues I considered some time ago and had no success with, but I'm hoping there may be new information out there that I have missed.  My ggp are said t have met on the boat coming to England in about 1892.  She came from Courland and he came from Russia Poland.  I can't be any more specific than that.  What are the most likely routes they would have taken? and what records exist?

Rachel Poole UK

Re: Residence or school records for jewish refugees in Vienna WWI #austria-czech

Traude Triebel

you can ask the "Meldeamt" benuetzersaal@... (name birthdate, parents name) to ask for the address AND who else lived at the same address,  price:€ 35,00
good luck

Finding WW l US Army Rosters #announcements #usa

Jan Meisels Allen



A resource for researching soldiers in World War l are the muster rolls and rosters at FamilySearch  See:


US WWI Muster Roster Rolls on FamilySearch


The records are not indexed so we have to do a bit of work.


You need to know the military organization(s) to which your ancestors belonged. A good start is using the VA Master Index to locating the first organization to which he was assigned.   From there, following him in each roster, you might be able to trace his transfers between organizations.


To help with abbreviations on the discharge cards see:


It has been suggested to start with the VA Master Index, then search the Muster rolls and rosters at FamilySearch (see aforementioned URL) . This collection contains an index to veterans who served at any time during World War I and who made (or whose heirs made) pension or benefits claims of the Veterans Administration between 1917 and 1940.


Another blog post may be of assistance:


When you see the little camera icon on the right, that means there are digital images of the record to view on the website. Click on the camera to go to the filmstrip.


The first group of Muster Rolls are for the Headquarters Company.  You can double-click on an Image to go it. From there you can use the arrows to move forward and backward through the filmstrip images. If you want to go back to seeing the browse multiple images, click on the button in the navigation menu on the left with all the small boxes.


At the end of the Muster Roll, soldiers lost are listed.


If the military unit was disbanded then some historical research may be necessary to find out where the soldiers were transferred.


For more information read the blog post in A Week of Genealogy


Thank you to Dr. Margaret McMahon, A Week of Genealogy for sharing this information on her blog.


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Jewish birth records from Kuty around 1905 #austria-czech #galicia #ukraine #poland

Svetlana Astakhova

Thank you, Mark

On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 01:56 Mark Halpern <mark@...> wrote:

Dear ??:

Unfortunately all the Jewish vital records of Kuty other than 1833-1855 deaths have not survived. You can find our what other records have survived and where they can be found by searching for Kuty at Miriam Weiner's Routes to Roots Archival inventory searchable at

Mark Halpern


On 2020-07-18 5:07 pm, sastakhova@... wrote:

Hello everyone, I'm new to this group.

I'm looking for birth details of my husband's father, Mocek (Moshe ?) Klinger. We know that he was born in Kuty, Poland around 1905 (that's the place of birth and year of birth he stated on his US immigration form in 1940). It looks like at the time Kuty was austrian territory.

There are a few of records, in polish/galicia and austrian sources, about my husband's grandfather Juda Leib Klinger (father of Mocek Klinger) who was a mill owner in Kuty. The records are mostly business directories from 1906 to 1926. However, we were not able to find any records of marriage for Juda Leib Klinger or birth of Mocek Klinger in Kuty (or any of his siblings).

Where should we look? Lviv jewish births archives? Austrian jewish births archives?

Thank you for any help!

Looking for Klinger, Kuty

Re: Recommendations for scanning photos #photographs

Susan stone

I have used the free photo scan app on my iPhone but then I just paid for Photomayne scanning app for a month on my phone too.  It seems much faster. Not sure yet about quality.  I think photomayne might be better.
Susan Stone
Evanston. IL

Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names


Karen Silver and Philip Trauring, who writes the blog where Avivah Pinski found another claim against involuntary name changes (, make the same error, a logical error known as a hasty generalization. In both cases, what they prove is that someone has made a voluntary name change, but I doubt anyone has ever claimed that no voluntary name-changes occurred. Finding even a thousand such changes cannot disprove a claim about an involuntary name-change, so basing one's views on a single such case doesn't go very far.
Trauring's article notes the availability of "a book from the National Genealogical Society called Petitions for Name Changes in New York City 1848-1899 (on Amazon) which was published in 1984 and lists the name change petitions on file in the Hall of Records in New York City for the years 1848-1899." Note that this comes to 17-18 per year for what is now the Borough of Manhattan, and includes petitions for name changes from all applicants, and not just immigrants.
I went through legislation enacted from 1790-1940, looking for references to involuntary name-changes. I found none, neither positive, making such changes policy, nor negative, making them illegal. The first mention of name changes for people (legislation changing names for vessels and places is rather common) comes in 1867 when Congress, acting in its Constitutional capacity as the legislature for the District of Columbia, established a procedure for residents of the District to change their names, an issue elsewhere left to state legislatures; evidently, New York acted c.1848.
The other appearances of name-changes in legislation are in Section 6 of the Naturalization Act of 1906 and the Nationality Act of 1940, in both cases establishing a mechanism for voluntary name-changes at the time of naturalization that would produce documents.  Without such documentation, a claim about a post-1906 voluntary name-change is on the same evidentiary basis as claims about involuntary changes, except there is reason why such documentation should exist.  Given the number of petitions in Manhattan, don't hold your breath expecting to find documentation for a voluntary name-change after 1906 made possible by these acts.
The simple fact is that no-one knows where the "no involuntary name-changes" (NINC) notion comes from, including the historians at USCIS and those who claim it has been proven innumerable times. No-one can identify where to find an actual proof, and there are methodological reasons why such a proof cannot exist. In the absence of an actual proof, if you're serious about seeking the truth about your ancestors, you don't discard anything they tell you unless and until you have actual proof that what they told you is wrong. NINC appears to have originated to motivate the wholesale discarding of family narratives, which would destroy whatever data they include; it's conceptually not that different from burning down an archive.
Yale Zussman

Re: - Professor Julius Sumner Miller, and family: Stark, Newmark, Mazur, Tannenbaum, Moscow, Spellman, Schlesinger, Bregman, Rubens, Friedman, Brown #usa

Pieter Hoekstra

Why is it so?


A wonderful communicator. He taught for a while at Knox Grammar School, Wahroonga (Sydney). Late 1970's.

Pieter Hoekstra  <sold@...>

Re: Prior test database? I am Ashkenazi Jewish and need a bone marrow transplant to live #announcements Moderator note: Please Read #announcements

Ezra Magid

My test was performed c.1993 at The Augusta, GA Jewish Federation. Maybe it will be helpful to broadcast more specific info about prior tests, and the possibility of multiple organizations that may not coordinate their efforts? Please post  again to the genetic genealogy daily list. It will be great if FTDNA et al will poll the tens [?hundreds?] of thousands of Ashkenazim that have DNA tests, to ask for permission to match people on the marrow waiting list, to the existing database of completed tests.
We should all pray for a refuah sheleima, and will be happy to know the Hebrew name of the leukemia patients, and their mothers.
Ezra Magid

Name Translations / Equivalencies #names #courland #latvia #germany #russia


I'm struggling to find any records from my ggp as I don't know the towns where they were born and only have their English and Hebrew names.  Could someone help me out by suggesting the Russian / Yiddish names for

and then the Russian /Yiddish and possibly German names for (she came from Courland and I think I read there was a tendency to speak German

Rachel Poole UK

Re: Train travel Ukraine 19th-20th Century/ #ukraine

Ittai Hershman

On the question of train travel, I excerpt from a 2011 review essay in the NYRB by the historian Timothy Snyder that has stuck in my brain for obvious reasons:
"Her [Empress Maria Theresia] new, formerly Polish territory, christened Galicia, ran from Oświęcim (which she called Auschwitz) in the west to Lwów (which she called Lemberg) and its Carpathian hinterlands in the east. It was roughly divided by the San River into a western, primarily Polish half and an eastern, Ukrainian half. Her successors extended Galicia to the north, incorporating the ancient Polish capital Cracow in 1846. Like Auschwitz, Cracow became the namesake of an Austrian duchy, but both in fact lay within Galicia. …. when the revolutions of 1848 spread through Europe, Poles in Galicia pursued their own national liberation from the Habsburgs with rather less fervor than might have been expected. Indeed, some Polish aristocrats were envisioning a Polish civil society under Habsburg rule and the state investments that would be required to create its economic basis. Like other East European modernizers of the mid-nineteenth century, the Polish dramatist and aristocrat Aleksander Fredro lobbied for railways, advocating a rail line from easterly Lemberg, the Galician provincial capital, to westerly Auschwitz, near the border with Prussia.
Traditional Jewish life endured in Galicia because the state was unable to remake it; but the economies of the shtetls collapsed in times of poverty brought by crop failures in the country and mass production in the city. [By 1990] Christians and Jews were drawn from their shrinking plots or failing trades by the demand for labor in the New World, particularly in the United States, Canada, and Brazil. Baltic shipping companies based in Hamburg and Bremen sought to lure Galicians to their vessels. To this end, they employed agents who scattered throughout the province, using means fair or foul to attract immigrants to one company or another.
Galicians wishing to emigrate passed through Auschwitz. As Fredro had wished half a century before, Auschwitz was the train station that permitted Galicians to travel the province from east to west, to Germany—and so to the Baltic Sea, and the wider world. The main shipping companies had offices in Auschwitz; the Hamburg line, Hapag, used a hotel across the street from the Auschwitz train station, located in a neighboring settlement called Birkenau. Those who passed through the town found it hard to leave Auschwitz without booking passage to the New World. People who looked like peasants were arrested by the bribed police, taken to the Hapag offices for a mock interrogation, strip-searched, deprived of whatever money was found on their persons, and given a ticket that they usually could not even read.”

Understanding Russia/Poland #general #russia #poland


The only information that I have on my ggf's birthplace comes from his marriage authorisation in the UK dated 1893 which says Russia/Poland.  He was born in 1871. I know that the boundaries changed and that the Jewishgen databases show the ruling areas by town, my issue is I don't know which town, or Gurbenia he came from. Is there anything that can help me work out whether he was born in Poland which then became part of Rusiia, or Russia which became part of Poland?

Rachel Poole UK

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