Re: Origin of the name BIALYI #names #belarus


One didn't have to live in Bialoskok or even in Belarus to acquire the name that meant 'white' like Bialy or Bialik. The same way that Schwartz means 'black' in German but not associated to a region. The same way that Cherny / Chorny means 'black' in Russian and is also a common Jewish surname. 

Kuchen is also a German word that followed the Ashkenazim on their migration routs but was applied to different kinds of pastry at different times in different countries. 

Bena Shklyanoy, Chicago.

Re: Marriage records from Nancy, France #france

David Choukroun*:*?cDateBegin_range_date_min=1922&cDateBegin_range_date_max=1922

if you have the exact date of the wedding, it will be easier to parse the full 1922 documents

Hope you will find it

David Choukroun
Paris, France

On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 05:45 AM, David wrote:

Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania


I just saw your name and wonder if you could be a missing cousin. Was Tillie Zilber an ancestor? Or one of her sons Jake or Meyer?

Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania


My mother told me her mother's father was adopted by another family that didn't have a son, and it was a common custom. I've wondered if that's why her and one brother's birth certificate give their mother's birth name as Berger and the birth certificate of the four other children give her name as Lipinski.

Re: Warszawa Research Group Photos in Warsaw #warsaw

Michael Turnbull

Then you might be interested in the attached document on Business activities in Warsaw in the 1930s. My Uncle's father was Adolf Tarnower, who lived at Orla 5 in Warsaw in 1916.
I can't find a Street Directory for Warsaw in 1915 or 1914 or 1913 (?)

Re: Emigration Routes to London UK 1890s #courland #latvia #russia #poland #general


This is from the report of a couple leaving from Kozelets in Chernigi=ov in Ukraine: They went to Hamburg where they boarded the Sprite on May 24, 1890, which took them to Hull, on the east coast of England. They took a train across England to Liverpool where they boarded the City of Chicago, which arrived in New York on June 9. I have no idea how common a route that might have been.

Updated Database on IGRA Website #israel #announcements

Elena Bazes


The Israel Genealogy Research Association (IGRA) has just updated its database of the Maccabiah Games on its website. This release includes most of the athletes that participated in the 16th - 20th Maccabiah games in Israel from 2001-2017. The list of participants in 2013 and 2017 included some of the people accompanying the athletes, such as coaches and delegation members who were not competing.


There are over 1,500,000 records available in our databases. With each release we provide a variety of records to our collection.


A preview of the update is available at


Before viewing the database, please register for free on the IGRA website:


To view the database, go to the database tab on the website.


Please note, the IGRA databases are now searchable to all registrants. The search results page is also available to all registrants. Additional details regarding most databases are available only to paid IGRA members. Certain exceptions exist due to requests of the specific archives.

Elena Biegel Bazes

IGRA Publicity Chair


Re: Emigration Routes to London UK 1890s #courland #latvia #russia #poland #general

Jill Whitehead

Hi Rachel

I suggest you look at records held by 1) The UK National Archives online for migration 2) The University of Hull 3) Hull Maritime Museum and also Grimsby Maritime Museum, both ports on the River Humber 4) Hamburg port records- all available online. Also 5) Shipping line records especially the Wilson Shipping Line of Hull. NB there are few if any passenger manifests for any migration at this time as either they were not kept or they were destroyed.

My ancestors came over to Northern England and Scotland between 1865 and 1875, they came by sailing boat to Hull or Leith, the port for Edinburgh. Others went to the Port of London, or to other ports in NE England e.g. Newcastle on Tyne.The new deep water port of Grimsby opened in the early to mid 1890's from memory, to take steamships. 

Many sailed from Hamburg in the 1890's, after train trips from elsewhere in Estern Europe. My ancestors probably sailed from either Libau in Latvia or from Konigsberg - they lived on the border with Konigsberg, and there was a lot of human smuggling that occured across that border for those who had been called up by the Tsar to his army. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

David Choukroun

Same story on my side : to avoid the very long duty (several years) in the Czar' Army, the family legend is saying that 4 or 5 boys where registered (not sure about real adoption) under another name.  So this is clearly not a unique case

names : Winagrad, Rabinovitch, Bondar
location : Slonime (Russia), and Jassy (Bessarabia)

No clue about how to find the real names after such trick - by luck in looking at census with addresses, or missing children while looking at the years of birth (and only girls) etc... but really low low probability

David Choukroun
Paris, France

Re: Hebrew record, is Fani Taub here? #hungary


Are there many birth records, and for females too? Is it possible to see Fanni Taub here?
Thank you for your help
Best wishes

Re: Friedmann restaurant in Baden Bei Wien 1900-1915? #austria-czech #hungary


Hi Veronika
Sorry not to reply before, I have only just seen these messages, I didn't know to look here before.
I think it might be a different branch of the Friedmann family as he was married to Szidonia. I have now found quite a lot of information about them through various sources, but thank you for your interest and help!

Re: Friedmann restaurant in Baden Bei Wien 1900-1915? #austria-czech #hungary


Hi Michel
I'm so sorry not to have replied to this message, I have only just seen it, but now I also know to look here for responses. I think I did try to contact Irma, but perhaps a call would be better, I will try that. Your biography sounds very interesting, is it publicly available to read?
Many thanks for your help

Re: 1933 marriage Friedmann/Weiss at Schiffschule synagogue, Vienna #austria-czech


Aaaaah. Thank you Johann, I will have to add to my list of records to request when life normalises post Covid. So sorry I didn't reply before, I've only just clocked that messages can be sent within a thread publicly as well as by email.
Best wishes

Marriage records from Nancy, France #france


I am descended maternally from the GEWELBE family from Warsaw. My third great-grandfather was
(Jacob GEWELBE), and am sure that many of the surviving records and indexes from Warsaw (including someone involved in the Warsaw uprising and also someone else who was on Schilndler's list in Karkow) with this name, were named after this common ancestor, or possibly after a namesake cousin.

One Jacques GEWELBE, born 1895 in Warsaw, lived in Nancy, France and his wife Leonie lived in Basel, Switzerland. They married in Nancy in 1922. I am trying to ascertain, or refute, that the parents of Jacques were Solomon Ephraim and Esther nee GELBROT. Esther died in 1899 (her gravestone can be found though Jewishgen search), and Solomon remarried to my great-grandmother Rebecca nee SINGER.

As is well known, many records are missing on JRI-Poland. I have written to the USA Holocaust museum as Jacques perished in the Holocaust, being on a transport from France to Aushwitz. There is a memorial for him, and also I have papers from the museum attesting to the above narrative, but so far have not been able to obtain names of Jacob/Jacques' parents. Am also being helped along by the organization:-

The Emanuel Ringelblum Jewish Historical Institute

Jewish Genealogy & Family Heritage Center

ul. Tłomackie 3/5, Warsaw, Poland  

phone: +4822 828 5962

email: <familyheritage@...>

Facebook: Jewish Genealogy at JHI
Website: Genealogy Center of ŻIH

but, so far, they do not have this specific information.

I am not sure how much the Jewish community in Basel can help me with this, especially as only his wife and son actually lived in Basel before the War, and he continued to live in Nancy, no doubt supporting his family from there.

Does anyone know how it is possible to search records in Nancy, France either through the general archives or through the Jewish community there?
If there is a surviving record, then hopefully this will contain the information that I am seeking.

David Ziants
Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel
dziants AT (put "@" instead of " AT ").
Searching GEWELBE, SINGER  from Warsaw; REINA from Netherlands; MICHAELS from early 19th century Ashkenazi UK and Western Europe; VIEIRA, JUDA-RODRIGUEZ and all Sephardi families from Netherlands and UK; ZIANTS, ZENETSKY (became SCHLOSBERG), FRIEDMAN, ISMACH (became DAVIDSON and OSMAN), ALPERT from Narewka, Bialystok, Lomza, Lodz, Bielsk and Warsaw.

Re: Ballasagyarmat: what census records are there? #hungary


Hi Julia
Thank you so much! Apologies for the delay in replying, I had some email replies but didn't realise they appeared within the thread too, I don't think you get separate alerts for that. I'll have to search back on previous questions I asked to check there are no other unanswered replies...!
I had a quick look at that link, yes a wealth of information but it's only heads of house isn't it? so needs matching to the 1848 census I guess. 
Lots of fun ahead to be had, but absolutely great to have it on line, THANK YOU.

Re: Ballasagyarmat: what census records are there? #hungary


Hi Judy
I've only just realised that replies may appear within the discussion thread, in addition to email replies, hence the delay in my reply to you, many apologies!!
Very many thanks for that, I will search for those films, I don't mind slogs at all if they reveal results! The main difficulty with Weisz/Vaisz I think is that it is a pretty common name, and not all branches seem to be interrelated, but matching up with other Weisz families from Balassa I think will also help, where this forum is also invaluable I think.
Thank you so much again for your help and interest

Re: Emigration Routes to London UK 1890s #courland #latvia #russia #poland #general

rv Kaplan

They probably sailed from Libau (have never seen any passenger lists) or Hamburg (passenger lists on Ancestry).
Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland

Rachel bill.johra@... via 

03:37 (6 hours ago)
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In trying to break down brick walls I'm revisiting avenues I considered some time ago and had no success with, but I'm hoping there may be new information out there that I have missed.  My ggp are said t have met on the boat coming to England in about 1892.  She came from Courland and he came from Russia Poland.  I can't be any more specific than that.  What are the most likely routes they would have taken? and what records exist?

Rachel Poole UK

Re: Residence or school records for jewish refugees in Vienna WWI #austria-czech

Traude Triebel

you can ask the "Meldeamt" benuetzersaal@... (name birthdate, parents name) to ask for the address AND who else lived at the same address,  price:€ 35,00
good luck

Finding WW l US Army Rosters #announcements #usa

Jan Meisels Allen



A resource for researching soldiers in World War l are the muster rolls and rosters at FamilySearch  See:


US WWI Muster Roster Rolls on FamilySearch


The records are not indexed so we have to do a bit of work.


You need to know the military organization(s) to which your ancestors belonged. A good start is using the VA Master Index to locating the first organization to which he was assigned.   From there, following him in each roster, you might be able to trace his transfers between organizations.


To help with abbreviations on the discharge cards see:


It has been suggested to start with the VA Master Index, then search the Muster rolls and rosters at FamilySearch (see aforementioned URL) . This collection contains an index to veterans who served at any time during World War I and who made (or whose heirs made) pension or benefits claims of the Veterans Administration between 1917 and 1940.


Another blog post may be of assistance:


When you see the little camera icon on the right, that means there are digital images of the record to view on the website. Click on the camera to go to the filmstrip.


The first group of Muster Rolls are for the Headquarters Company.  You can double-click on an Image to go it. From there you can use the arrows to move forward and backward through the filmstrip images. If you want to go back to seeing the browse multiple images, click on the button in the navigation menu on the left with all the small boxes.


At the end of the Muster Roll, soldiers lost are listed.


If the military unit was disbanded then some historical research may be necessary to find out where the soldiers were transferred.


For more information read the blog post in A Week of Genealogy


Thank you to Dr. Margaret McMahon, A Week of Genealogy for sharing this information on her blog.


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Jewish birth records from Kuty around 1905 #austria-czech #galicia #ukraine #poland

Svetlana Astakhova

Thank you, Mark

On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 01:56 Mark Halpern <mark@...> wrote:

Dear ??:

Unfortunately all the Jewish vital records of Kuty other than 1833-1855 deaths have not survived. You can find our what other records have survived and where they can be found by searching for Kuty at Miriam Weiner's Routes to Roots Archival inventory searchable at

Mark Halpern


On 2020-07-18 5:07 pm, sastakhova@... wrote:

Hello everyone, I'm new to this group.

I'm looking for birth details of my husband's father, Mocek (Moshe ?) Klinger. We know that he was born in Kuty, Poland around 1905 (that's the place of birth and year of birth he stated on his US immigration form in 1940). It looks like at the time Kuty was austrian territory.

There are a few of records, in polish/galicia and austrian sources, about my husband's grandfather Juda Leib Klinger (father of Mocek Klinger) who was a mill owner in Kuty. The records are mostly business directories from 1906 to 1926. However, we were not able to find any records of marriage for Juda Leib Klinger or birth of Mocek Klinger in Kuty (or any of his siblings).

Where should we look? Lviv jewish births archives? Austrian jewish births archives?

Thank you for any help!

Looking for Klinger, Kuty

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