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Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

susiekrumholz@...
 

My grandfather's last name was "Yellen" but his family that came at different times were named "Levin"!  Think we might be related????
Re: FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 



On Jul 20, 2020, at 11:07 AM, Phil Karlin <philk@...> wrote:
Thank you Barbara.
So do you think that the "christening" was not one per se, but merely that the dataset included christenings, so a christening was assumed to have occurred by the dataset builder?

I’d guess that the birth info was included in a pile that included births as well as christenings… and then it was entered into a record book they created an all-inclusive title. 

I THINK THAT RECORDING CHRISTENINGS IN AMERICAN CIVIL RECORDS WOULD BE EXTREMELY RARE.   WONDER WHAT OTHER RESEARCHES KNOW?

When Covid 19 is in our memories, you’ll have to visit a FHL and call for the records… it would be interesting to see if the “christenings" were christenings in fact or that was the only  evidence of birth

Keep in mind that I gave Rebeke as an example. The same thing happened for her siblings - they have christenings too.  
       
             same city, same time frame  -  1868 - 1879

Is there information on the record image that's not in the index?
Depends on the record… some have more info, others less… these births were mostly at home, 
not all midwives were literate…. some were precise in entering info, others sloppy… some returned the cards in a timely way, others procrastinated (and in some cases, never returned them..  I think I read that 20% of births in the time frame you are working with were never recorded.  

You will have to call up each image when we can finally go to the centers.

I'd love to know any or all of these facts from the image:

Who made the original record? Birth location (hospital or home, street address). usually at home

Date - birthdate vs. christening date vs. recording date.* 

Was there a doctor or midwife attending and their name?   

*Although the record we're looking at is dated July 29 1870, she appears on the 1870 Census, dated July 15, which says she was born in May.  

People were notorious for not remembering DOB’s  — I’ve been at this for over 50 years… I see records where each and every time someone entered his OWN birthday it was different than the last time.   (just like spelling…..

And what if "christening" just means "naming" and I'm worked up in a lather over nothing, LOL?
      
 Keep my address… and when you find out please let me know.

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ
Re: Hebrew Translation for two Tombstones #names #translation

Malka
 

Hi Linda,

 

The one on the right-

 

Here lies or here is buried (abbreviation on top on both sides o the star of David)

My husband and our dear father

Our teaching rabbi (abbreviation) Ze’ev son of reb Zvi

Passed 30 Shevat 5697

May his soul be gathered in eternal lie (abbreviation on bottom)

 

The one on the left–

Here lies or here is buried (Abbreviation on top)

Favel (Feivel?) Zevulun son of Israel Z’L

Passed 26 Shveat 5697

May his soul be gathered in eternal life (abbreviation on bottom)

 

Shalom, Malka Chosnek

 

 
Subj: ViewMate translation request - Polish #translation

Paul Moverman
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM83105
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.
Paul Moverman
Milford, NH USA
Subj: ViewMate translation request - Polish #translation

Paul Moverman
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM83113
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.
Paul Moverman
Milford, NH USA
Re: Ballasagyarmat: what census records are there? #hungary

emmabcole@...
 

Julia - you are an absolute marvel and extremely kind, thank you so much, what a wonderful list full of fascinating information, I certainly hadn't got as far as working out numbers of children or produce/occupation.
I wonder now, though, if my family can have been living in Balassa at that time. Jakab was born in 1815 I think, so would have been about 33, and his wife Fani was born in 1812 so would have been about 36. There are no couples on there that fit this profile. They were in Balassa by January 1851, however, when my great grandfather Lipot's younger brother Adolph was born, and I should look again for his brother Armin who I think would have been born in the 1850s too. I will now see if I can find the 1848 for Obuda which is where I think Fani was from, perhaps that's where they were in 1848?!
Huge thanks again Julia
Emma
Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

Erika Gottfried
 

I applaud  Emily Garber’s approach to genealogical research and her admonition to take into account historical context when approaching a question or a problem.  I would add to this that it can be helpful to broaden context even further to include the zeitgeist of a place and time. Though this approach is much fuzzier than looking into specific events and laws to frame a time, it can yield some interesting results and hypotheses to explain a mystery.  As an example, I offer this story from the early 1970s, almost a caricature of the spirit of those tumultuous political and cultural times (though, as we are being sharply reminded, perhaps no times aren't tumultuous):  
 
I grew up in Seattle. My closest friend as a teenager, in the early 1970s,  belonged to a family of four--her parents, herself, and her brother, who was two years younger than she.  Their surname was Poll.  
 
Susan, a newly-recruited feminist enthusiast, no longer wanted to use her father’s surname, so she changed her surname to Catherine (her middle name). Orabelle, her mother, also as a feminist, took back her maiden name, Connelly. Meanwhile, Bernard, her husband, in solidarity with the new movements celebrating ethnic pride and immigrant ancestors, decided to change his name back to his family’s original name, Polishuk.  Tom, the son, a curmudgeon, stubbornly refused to change his last name just because the others had, so he stuck with Poll. 
 
There you have it, ladies and gentlemen:  Four members of the same nuclear family with four different surnames—all occasioned by the politics and culture of their times.

Erika Gottfried (married but kept my family surname)
Teaneck, New Jersey
Re: greek jews #sephardic

Ina Getzoff
 

Susie:
It is probably possible that some of your ancestors who fled way back (you don't say how far back your research has gone) may have gone to Greece instead of the Ottoman Empire and there is a mix of family members from the Greek Isles somewhere in the family. Where did your family go and when? Remember-when the Spanish Inquisition started in March, 1492 some of the people that fled either went to Portugal or because the Sultan of Turkey offered asylum that is where they went. Can you give us some additional information. 
 
My paternal side of the family came from Istanbul, Turkey but a great aunt came from Salonika, Greece. 
Ina Getzoff
Delray Beach, Fla.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Yiddish or Hebrew name for IDA #belarus #names

agnesblum@...
 

Hi Marilyn,

My great-great grandmother Ida Zacharowicz was born in Russia and emigrated to the U.S. in 1890. Ida was NOT too anglicized to be given to a Jewish girl! In fact Ida was quite popular for Ashkenazi girls at the time. Below are a few of the famous Jewish Idas from the late 19th early 20th century, so it stands that there were even more non-famous ones!

Ida Cohen Rosenthal, co-founder of Maidenform, b. 1886 in Rakov, Russia
Ida Kaminska, actress known as the "Mother of the Jewish stage", b. 1899 Ukraine
Ida Maze, the Yiddish writer, b. 1893 in Ugli, Belarus
Ida Demel, writer and patroness of the arts, b. 1870 in Germany
Ida Rubenstein , ballet dancer, b. 1883 in Ukraine
Ida Haendel, pianist, b. 1928, Poland
Ida Ginsburg ,founder of the Detroit chapter of National Council of Jewish Women, b. 1865, USA

As for the corresponding Hebrew name, I would guess Yehudit, or Adah.

Agnes

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Agnes Blum
Bethesda

BLUM, ZACHAROWICZ, SACHS/SACKS, SPEICHLER, ROTHBERG, KIER/KIERSCH
Re: Percentages of ancestry - my Ashkenazi father seems to be partly of Italian/Greek descent? #dna

Kenneth Ryesky
 

Following the Roman conquest of Jerusalem and the dispersion, many Jews were taken to Italy.  Jewish slave labor built the Coleseum and other Roman tourist trap monuments.
 
So it is not so much a matter of Jews having Italian DNA as it is Italians having Jewish DNA.
 
-- Ken Ryesky
Petach Tikva, ISRAEL
 

--
Ken Ryesky,  Petach Tikva, Israel     kenneth.ryesky@...
Re: FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

Phil Karlin
 

Thank you Barbara.
So do you think that the "christening" was not one per se, but merely that the dataset included christenings, so a christening was assumed to have occurred by the dataset builder?
Keep in mind that I gave Rebeke as an example. The same thing happened for her siblings - they have christenings too. 

Is there information on the record image that's not in the index?
I'd love to know any or all of these facts from the image: Who made the original record? Birth location (hospital or home, street address). Date - birthdate vs. christening date vs. recording date.*  Was there a doctor or midwife attending and their name?

*Although the record we're looking at is dated July 29 1870, she appears on the 1870 Census, dated July 15, which says she was born in May.

And what if "christening" just means "naming" and I'm worked up in a lather over nothing, LOL?
Re: Train travel Ukraine 19th-20th Century/ #ukraine

Sharon Taylor
 

Since the trip you described took place in 1914, it’s likely that they were being evacuated or that they chose to flee as the Russian army advanced. The Austrian government was active in evacuating civilians from the war zone, moving them west to Vienna, Bohemia and Moravia. During this time, the military had priority for train travel, so civilians were often left stranded for hours or even days until a train became available for their use. Villagers along the way brought food to the stranded travelers during long delays. Yizkor books in JewishGen’s collection have several firsthand accounts by Jews who fled Galicia during this time.

Sharon Taylor
Philadelphia, PA
Researching NEMETH, BLOCH, INGIER in Mariampol/ Stanislawow Galicia and WIESNER, FLEISIG in Kulikow/Lemberg Galicia
Re: Ballasagyarmat: what census records are there? #hungary

JPmiaou@...
 

10. Name: Samuel Waisz Jr., age: 29, birthplace: Hungary, Bgy, residence: ditto, income source: vinegar-maker, behavior: good, children under 10: daughter
Rézi his wife, 25, ditto

21. Samuel Waisz Sr., 55, Hungary, BGyarm., with merchandise, 2 daughters
Josefa his wife, 53
Moraham?, 23, with skins?
Izsák, 17, with merchandise
Jakab, 14

31. Izsak Waisz, 27, furrier?
32. Leopold Waisz, 42, day-laborer, 1? son
Liebes his wife, 35
Emanël?, 12

69. Rosalie Waisz widow, 48, tavern-keeper, 2 daughters
Moses Lebel, 24
Janos, 24

85. Jakab Waisz, 46, merchant
Leni his wife, 38

101. Israel Vaisz, 40, merchant, 1 son, 1 daughter
Rezi? his wife, 38
Moricz, 10

112. Hersel Waisz, 56, with rags, 3 sons, 1 daughter
Hani his wife, 40

128. Israel Weisz, 58, merchant, 2 daughters
Marie his wife, 50
David, 15
Samu, 11
Salamon Lebl? Weisz, 35, merchant
Leni his wife, 22

133. Jakab Waisz, 32, merchant (retailer?)
Beni? his wife, 26

139. Fülep Waisz, 51, merchat, 2 sons, 4 daughters
Fani his wife, 37

142. Ischák? Weisz, 60
Resi his wife, 50
Samuel, 25

145. Mihály Weisz, 45, with skins, 1 son, 4 daughters
Fani his wife, 30
Markusz, 10


161. Juli Weisz widow, 60, with fruit, 1 daughter

167. Marton Weisz widower, 74
Moritz, 38, with merchandise, 1 son, 3 daughters
Rosi his wife, 38

173. Josef Weisz Jr., 50, buyer (agent), 3 daughters
Leni his wife, 40

174. Simon Weisz, 22, with skins
Kati his wife, 25
Kati mother, 50

179. Hermann Weisz, 35, merchant with skins, 1 son, 1 daughter
Toni his wife, 30

184. Abraham Weisz, 38, with milk?, 3 sons, 1 daughter
Hani his wife, 35

191. Leopold Weisz widower, 67
Daniel epileptic, 26

197. Edel Weisz widow, 50, Hungary, in Nyitra
Adolf, 20, from Szügy, glazier
Moritz, 22, deformed in the leg

205. Fáni Weisz widow, 50, 1 daughter
Gábor, 22, with rags

221. Marie Waisz widow, 60

223. Henrik Weisz, 26, with skins
Moses Weisz, 19

237. Simon Vaisz, 42, with rags, 1 son, 1 daughter
Hani his wife, 40
Gaspar, 12

248. Abraham Vaisz Jr., 34, sheep-seller?, 2 daughters
Regina his wife, 30

249. Fáni Vaisz widow, 50

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Julia
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Re: FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

But those were not recorded in NYC records, b/c they were not contemporaneous..  The LDS baptisms were recorded ONLY in LDS records NOT municipal records.

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ.


On Jul 20, 2020, at 9:33 AM, David Oseas via groups.jewishgen.org <doseas=yahoo.com@...> wrote:

For a period of time, the LDS church engaged in the controversial practice of posthumous baptism of Jewish individuals:  https://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/ldsagree.html  They have since stopped the practice.

Regards,
David Oseas _._,_._,_

Hungarian Elementary School Yearbook records #hungary #education

Ed Zwieback
 

I received several pages from "Elementary School Yearbooks" for years 1894-98, for grades 1-3.  These are formal printed pages with up to 40 student names (all boys) and their scores in up to 14 subjects. I have lost contact with my source and don't know where these came from.  I have never seen any records like these.  I welcome any info on where these books can be accessed.  I'll be happy to send these pages to anyone interested.

Ed Zwieback
California
http://ezwieback.com/ZFN-p/index.htm
Re: Hebrew Translation for two Tombstones #names #translation

esriel@...
 

The left one reads:

Feivel Zevulun, son of Yisrael, died Shvat 26, 5697

The right one:

My husband and our dear father (Rabbi) Zeev, son of Tzvi, died Shvat 10, 5697

Normally the American names started with the same letter as the Jewish.

So Feivel became Phillip. The second one, I assume, was called Wolf (translation of Zeev in German or Yiddish) and so he became William
Re: FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

David Oseas
 

For a period of time, the LDS church engaged in the controversial practice of posthumous baptism of Jewish individuals:  https://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/ldsagree.html  They have since stopped the practice.

Regards,
David Oseas

Help needed with Russian Translation of Record on ViewMate #translation

Arlene Glass
 

Hi,
I need translation of records from Lomza Poland that are written in Russian. There are three birth records and one death record. May I have a full translation for one of the births. The other two I only need a translation of the birth dates. For the death record, I only need the date and the parents' names. 
 
They are all part of the Kolaczek family. The names should be David Ick, Gerszk Berek, Leja Gitla, and the death record should be Judes.The links are below. 
 
Please respond using the on line ViewMate form. 
 
Thank you so much,
 
Arlene Glass
Atlanta, Georgia
 
 
 
Hebrew Translation for two Tombstones #names #translation

Linda Frydl
 

Hi:
If someone could translate these, I'd really appreciate it. I'm basically looking for their Hebrew names.

Thanks so much!
Linda Mallin Frydl
Maryland, USA
Re: Viewmate Translation Request - Russian #translation

ryabinkym@...
 

 

 

 

 

VM83146

 

In Russian:

 

298

Маша Вейсблех.

Состоялось в городе Лублин 20-го июня (3-го июля) 1907 года в 10 часов утра.  Явился еврей: Исер-Мендель Вeйсблех, торговец, 47-и лет, житель города Люблина, вприсутствии свидетелей Израиля Фраймана, поденщика, 59-и лет и Шимона Менделя, домовладельца, 55-и лет, жителей города Люблина и предъявили нам девочку, объявляя, что она родилась в городе Люблин, в доме под номером 637, 10-го  (23-го) апреля 1901-го года в 12 часов дня от него и законной жены Ройзы-Малки, урожденной Шварц, 42-х лет.  Девочке этой дано имя Маша. Позднее заявление ничем не оправдано.  Акт сей присутствующим прочитан, ими и нами подписан.

 

Исер-Мендель Вeйсблех

Израиль Фрайман  

Шимон Мендель

Чиновник гражданского состояния        Подпись

 

Translate into English:

 

298

 

Masha Weisblech.

 

Held in the city of Dublin on June 20 (July 3), 1907, at 10 a.m. A Jew appeared: Iser-Mendel Weissblech, a merchant, 47 years old, a resident of the city of Lublin, in the presence of Israeli witnesses Freiman, day laborer, 59 years old and Shimon Mendel, a homeowner, 55 years old, residents of the city of Lublin and presented us with a girl, announcing that she was born in the city of Lublin, in the house at number 637, on April 10th (23rd), 1901, at 12 noon from him and 42-year-old Royza Malka's legal wife, nee Schwartz. This girl is given the name Masha. The later statement is unjustified. This act has been read to those present, they and we have signed.

 

 

 

Iser-Mendel Weissblech

 

Israel Freiman

 

Shimon Mendel

 

Civil Status Officer Signature

 

VM83147

 

In Russian:

 

In Russian:

 

405

Состоялось в городе Люблин 22-го августа (4-го сентября) 1901-го года в 10 часов утра.  Явился еврей: Барух-Мордка Вайсблех, работник, 41-го года, житель города Люблина, в присутствии свидетелей Берки Тухмана, домовладельца, 39-и лет и Шимона Менделя, работника, 49-и лет, жителей города Люблина и предъявили нам мальчика, объявляя, что она родилась в городе Люблин, в доме под номером 638, 13-го  (25-го) декабря 1896-го года в 8 часов утра от него и законной жены Хаи, урожденной Фрим, 30-и лет.  Ребенку этому при обрезании дано имя Пинхас. Позднее заявление ничем не оправдано.  Акт сей присутствующим прочитан, ими и нами подписан.

 

 

Берка Тухман  

Шимон Мендель

Чиновник гражданского состояния        Подпись

 

Translate into English:

 

405

 

Held in the city of Lublin on August 22 (September 4), 1901, at 10 a.m. A Jew appeared: Baruch-Mordka Weissblech, a 41-year-old worker, a resident of the city of Lublin, in the presence of witnesses Berka Tuchman, a 39-year-old homeowner and Shimon Mendel, a 49-year-old worker, residents of the city of Lublin and presented us with a boy, announcing that she was born in the city of Lublin, in the house at number 638, on the 13th (25th) of December 1896 at 8 o’clock in the morning from him and her lawful wife, nee Frim, 30 years old. When circumcised, this child was given the name Pinchas. The later statement is unjustified. This act has been read to those present, they and we have signed.

 

 

 

 

 

Berka Tuchman

 

Shimon Mendel

 

Civil Status Officer Signature
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