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Re: Research individuals in France #france

Aaron Slotnik
 

I would like to thank Bernard Flam in particular for his clear and concise summary of research resources in France posted on July 11.  I've been trying to find this information for many years and have been unable to . . . perhaps it has only been placed online relatively recently.
 
Nonetheless, I've found 2 records for my family in the Gallica resource he mentioned (1.1.1 - https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb34378481r/date?rk=85837;2&lang=EN) but I'm unable to determine what the notation is referencing--if it is a naturalization file reference or one of the other possibilities he mentioned.  How can I determine that in order to take the correct next step?  Their names are Lejzer ZLOTNIK and Yenta-Laja ZLOTNIK (nee ELBAUM).
 
Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide!
 
Kind Regards,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL  USA
Re: Hungarian Elementary School Yearbook records #hungary #education

Peter Cherna
 

I have found some elementary school yearbooks on hungaricana.hu, in case someone is interested in hunting.

(I was searching by family name, which is viable for unusual family names but hopeless for common ones.) Mostly I found class lists and was able to narrow down birth year for some unknown relatives. I did find one reference with date of birth for my grandfather's brother, whose exact birth was unknown, but given the day/month from this document, and knowing the year within one (from the class the person was in), and guessing at which district of Budapest, I was able to find his birth record, that was not indexed.

 
Re: French Naturalization #france

Ilya Zeldes
 

Me too, would like to find out  how to get the decree of naturalization. I have the number and the year of naturalization (1947), but could not figure out how to get it… Any working suggestion is appreciated.

 

 

Ilya Zeldes

Fort Myers, FL

 
Re: Hungarian Elementary School Yearbook records #hungary #education

JPmiaou@...
 

I received several pages from "Elementary School Yearbooks" for years
1894-98, for grades 1-3. .... [I] don't know where these came from.
Hungaricana (https://hungaricana.hu/en/) has some yearbooks, but most of them are on ADT+ (the pay portion of Arcanum.hu: https://adtplus.arcanum.hu/en/).

(School records are fun. My grandfather graduated with a C, his younger brother with a B, and their youngest brother -- who unfortunately passed away a month after graduation -- had straight A's throughout. He also got an award for a novella, which I now want to track down, but the school's website has been hacked....)

Oh, but keep in mind that "grades 1-3" may not be what you think: in an 8-year "middle" school (középiskola), they'd correspond to approximately grades 5 to 7 by U.S. reckoning. Most of the school records I've seen have been for such schools, with some college/university mixed in. Up to fourteen subjects sounds like one of them, not actual elementary (ages 6 to 10ish), which was generally local, coed, with one or two teachers, and did not print up fancy end-of-year reports.

Julia
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Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

Kathrynbkj@...
 

In the Justingrad Yizkor  book, the Wegodner family chapter tells of the brother of Joseph Wegodner changing his surname to Weinberg because he was afraid he would be drafted. My great grandmother, Dora Sader, was born Dvora Wegodner and was a daughter of Joseph Wegodner. I would love to find anything about the Weinberg branch.
Re: Divorce and Remarriage in 19th C Poland #poland

Sally Bruckheimer
 

"In 19th century Poland could you get a civil divorce? "

Yes, at least in some parts of Poland at some time. I have be extracting birth, marriage, and death records for a long time, and sometimes, for a divorced groom or bride, the divorce is cited with the place and time.  I don't extract that, but it is there.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ
Re: Kansas City Lithuania Jews #lithuania #usa

edstarr@...
 

While I have deep roots in Kansas City - back to Leavenworth during the Civil War - my earliest ancestors there were not Litvaks.  My Litvak ancestors settled in Chicago and Des Moines.  In Des Moines it is true that many of the early Lithuanian Jews came from the same area of Lithuania, from the area of Kalvarija, Pilviskiai, and Vilkaviskis.  Today this is in southwestern Lithuania, near the Polish border.  I don't know if they were all related, though it's quite possible.  Among the Litvaks in Des Moines were some Ginsbergs, though I have no idea if they had relatives in KC.

Any questions, please let me know.

Ethan Starr
Washington, DC
Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Kris Murawski
 

A syncope of unstressed syllables? Like veg(e)table, cam(e)ra.
Kris Murawski
Raleigh, NC
Re: Residence or school records for jewish refugees in Vienna WWI #austria-czech

Corinna Woehrl
 

Hello Svetlana,

this is a city directory with all sorts of information on the city and structure of the community. It includes companies and inhabitants and a list of streets. In the second volume (Band 2), you will find the 'normal' city-directory (Adressbuch) and on page 692 and following we find the surname Klinger, but no Juda. I've added a screenshot of the main-page.
Here's the link to Klinger

https://www.digital.wienbibliothek.at/wbrobv/periodical/pageview/148370

I would advise to search in further directories (other years). Some directories also have a "Nachtrag" which means, people who just moved to the city were added in a seperate section, but not in the alphabetical order.

Regards Corinna
Meaning and Subtext of "Grundwirth" #names

M.A. Miller
 

I’m looking for translation help with a similar common word for an
occupation or status which appears in numerous family documents from
Galicia Province in the 19th-century. The word is “Grundwirth,”
sometimes spelled “Grundwirt,” meaning a landlord. I’m interested in
knowing if this word has a specific implication or connotation, like
many old occupation words.

Hauswirt and sometimes Grundbesitzer can also mean “landlord.” Are
these words interchangeable, or does grundwirth have a special
meaning?

Is the presence of the “h” at the end significant, or is just a minor
spelling variation between Germans and Austrians?

Thank you for any help.

Mike Miller
New York, USA



Researching in Galicia:
Gliniany: FRIEDEL, GRUNBAND
Gologory: SAFRAN, BORITZ
Zolynia: JOKEL, SATTLER
Researching in Bessarabia:
Lipkany: WALLACH
Edineti: MEILER
Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Susan&David
 

Its the same today.  Eric is called Rick or Ricky,  Elizabeth is Liz, Emanuel is Manny

David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 7/21/2020 11:01 AM, Jeffrey Cohen via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
Does anyone know why an I (or yod) was sometimes removed from start of names ?
In my family Italienner became Talyena, and Israel became Srul.

Jeffrey Cohen,  jeff59471@...>

Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Srul is one of many Yiddish nicknames for Israel.   

Why do we use 
Betsy  for Elizabeth
Liza     “   Elizabeth
Gene  for  Eugene 
Pat      "   Patricias
Bill      “   William
Babs    “   Barbara
Madge  “  Madeline
Sadie   “   Sarah

Could go on, but you get the idea.

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ


Does anyone know why an I (or yod) was sometimes removed from start of names ?
In my family Italienner became Talyena, and Israel became Srul.

Jeffrey Cohen,  jeff59471@...>
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What happened to uncle Michel ROTMAN ? #poland

Marilyn Marme
 

My friend recently discovered a paternal uncle she was never told about remained behind in Poland after his siblings and mother emigrated to the USA. This uncle was mentioned on his mother's ( Rose Rothman) final citizenship papers as living in Poland in 1944. ( The same papers also stated that her husband Moszek/Morris/Moszko ROTMAN  had died in Poland in 1941). We were able to find Michel's birth registration which stated that he was born in Zareby Koscielne on December 7, 1906 to Moszko ROTMAN and Rejza (Reiza) Tuchsnadjer. That is all we have found.
 
All of my friends paternal first cousins have passed. She has found nothing about this uncle in her parents papers. I have searched USHMM, Arolsen Archives and Jewish Gen with no results. As a non Jewish newbie family researcher, I am at a loss. 
 
Marilyn F Marmé
Moorpark, CA 
Re: Yiddish or Hebrew name for IDA #belarus #names

RICHARD GROSS
 

An interesting research article on this topic is: 

Greenberg, Jason H., "From Rochel to Rose and Mendel to Max: First Name Americanization Patterns Among Twentieth-Century Jewish Immigrants to the United States" (2017). CUNY Academic Works. 
https://academicworks.cuny.edu/ny_pubs

 Comparing names on  petitions to the names on passenger lists, the author found the overwhelmingly largest number of females named Ida on naturalization petitions were named Chaya or Khaye on the passenger list. However, there were Ida's also named Chaike, Gute, Hinde, Hodes, Khave, Rode, Rokhl, Taube/Toybe, Yokhved and Yudes. So your best bet is probably to find the passenger list of the ship on which she immigrated.

Richard Gross, Guilford, Connecticut
Re: FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

Phil Karlin
 

I have noticed that when a midwife was involved, the midwife likely kept records of a number of births before reporting the births.  This sometimes led to issues with the actual date of birth. 
Interesting point.  As I noted previously, the record we're looking at is dated July 29 1870, but she appears on the 1870 Census, dated July 15, which says she was born in May. Could the midwife have held her records for 2 months? 

Does anyone have any recommendations for general history reading on NYC Jewish life, particularly the Lower East Side, 1850-1880 or so? There's lots of stuff for the post 1880 Eastern European wave. Who gives the earlier Central Europeans some love?
Removing initial I from names #names

Jeffrey Cohen
 

Does anyone know why an I (or yod) was sometimes removed from start of names ?
In my family Italienner became Talyena, and Israel became Srul.

Jeffrey Cohen,  jeff59471@...>
FENICHEL and ELLEND family from Tarnow #poland

Ruth Kornbluth
 

I am researching the FENICHEL family from Tarnow and surrounding towns. One of my great great grandfathers was Chaskel ELLEND who died in 1894. He was a sexton in Tarnow. The name KARANEK was added to his name on only one document on JRI that I could find. Researching that name, I came up empty handed. But on the Tarnow cemetery website when I searched FENICHEL, a beautiful stone with that name attached to it came up. What would be the connection to the FENICHEL family?
Thanking you in advance for any help you might provide...
Ruth Fenichel Kornbluth
ViewMate Translation Request #translation

paulmoverman@...
 

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM83105
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.
Paul Moverman
Milford, NH USA
Re: French Naturalization #france

Carol
 

I would like to piggyback on this question to ask Fran where she got the records she mentions?  I don't know how to do that, and I have a couple of people I would love to find. Any help from anyone would be much apppreciated.

Thanks,
Carol Isenberg Clingan
Re: greek jews #sephardic

ahcbfc@...
 

Judy, many of us are eager to contact the Greek researcher. What is the best way?
Thanks.
Barbara Cohen
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