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Nina Tobias
Dear Helpful People,
Attached is the Ellis Island record of arrival for my paternal great-grandmother and two of six her children (lines 22-24). Her name is written as Chaje Worobiev. She gave her sister as the nearest relative left at home. This name and other information is on the far right. I would greatly appreciate any guesses as to what is written. fyi - her actual name was Chava Vorabyev nee Bayliss or Beiliss. She and the children traveled to Chicago to join her husband Leib Vorabyev. They became Ida and Lou Goldman. Insert laugh here. Thanks so much, -- Nina Tobias Scottsdale, Arizona Researching: HOROWITZ (Iasi & Odessa) TOBIAS (Rymanow, Galicia) SWARTZ (Iasi, Romania) VORABYEV (Russia)
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What was Ginsburg & Klausner, S Fallsburg, NY (Catskills) not listed as hotel
#usa
Susan Goldsmith
Dear JewishGenners,
Does anyone know what Ginsburg & Klausner was in S Fallsburg, NY (Catskills)? It is not listed as a hotel or bungalow community. My great grandmother Lena Horowitz gave as her return address, on a 1907 letter, "c/o Ginsburg & Klausner". She was a baker before emigrating to the US in 1905.
Thank you,
Susan Goldsmith
SF Bay Area, CA, USA
jcwsmg@...
Researching GOLDSHMIDT, F(P)ILVINSKY, SHLIOMOVICH, GITTES (GADIE,GADYE, GIDUSH, GITES) Seta, Jonava, Kaunas, Adustiskes, Zemaiciu Naumiestes, Keidainiai, Vandziogala, Lithuania
HOROWITZ, DRASNIN (DRASNE) Dauhinava, Belarus; TOBIAS (TOUBES, TOBES, TAUBES) Novyy Swerzhen and Stowbtsy, Belarus; ROZANSKY, BILINSKY, MIRANSKY Iasevichi, Belarus
DAVIS, HAFFNER Botosani, Tomania
WAXMAN (WAKSMAN) Sandomierz, Ostrowiec, Poland
s -- Susan Goldsmith San Francisco Bay Area, CA, USA jcwsmg@... Researching GOLDSHMIDT, F(P)ILVINSKY, SHLIOMOVICH, GITTES (GADIE,GADYE, GIDUSH, GITES) Seta, Jonava, Kaunas, Adustiskes, Zemaiciu Naumiestes, Keidainiai, Ukmerge, Vandziogala, Lithuania HOROWITZ, DRASNIN (DRASNE) Dauhinava, Belarus; TOBIAS (TOUBES, TOBES, TAUBES) Novyy Swerzhen and Stowbtsy, Belarus; ROZANSKY, BILINSKY, MIRANSKY Iasevichi, Belarus DAVIS, HAFFNER Botosani, Romania WAXMAN (WAKSMAN), KOENIGSBERG Sandomierz, Ostrowiec Poland
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June 2020 Summary of IAJGS Records Access Alert
#jgs-iajgs
#general
Jan Meisels Allen
As mentioned previously, every month I post a listing of the IAJGS Records Access Alert topics from the previous month for you to see the variety of issues…some were posted on this discussion group but most were not—all postings are included below. The following are the summaries for the month of June 2020. In order not to miss out on important information it is worthwhile for you and your society to be subscribed to the Records Access Alert. Without records, genealogists cannot do genealogy –making certain that we retain access and gain access where it is impaired is every genealogists' responsibility.
The IAJGS Board of Directors approved opening the Records Access Alert to anyone who is interested in records access. This was announced previously. We now have subscribers from many genealogical organizations not previously able to subscribe. To be on top of what is happening I encourage you to register for the Records Access Alerts to receive the information in a timely manner. If you are interested in any of the above items, please register for the IAJGS Records Access Alert and look at them in the archives. To register for the IAJGS Records Access Alert go to: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts and follow the instructions to enter your email address, full name and which genealogical organization you belong to-a society, SIG or a subscriber of JewishGen, Avotaynu, Legal Genealogist etc. You will receive an email response that you have to reply to, or the subscription will not be finalized. The alerts are archived and once you register you may access the archives at: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts/
The IAJGS Records Access Alert is not a daily announcement list. Depending on what happens worldwide, there may be no postings for several days and other times there may be several in one day.
These are listed alphabetically not chronologically. Each month the locales covered differ.
Jan Meisels Allen Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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Re: Meaning and Subtext of "Grundwirth"
#names
M.A. Miller
Sorry, the word "similar" in the first sentence is a cut-and-paste error. The sentence should read, "help with a common word..."
Mike M.
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Re: What happened to uncle Michel ROTMAN ?
#poland
Sherri Bobish
Hi Marilyn, Perhaps a Page of Testimony was written for him? You can search at Yad Vashem. This is the link to the advanced search page: https://yvng.yadvashem.org/advanced-search.html?language=en You can search by name and/or location, i.e. town of birth. Regards, Sherri Bobish Princeton, NJ
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Sherri Bobish
"I have noticed that when a midwife was involved, the midwife likely kept records of a number of births before reporting the births. This sometimes led to issues with the actual date of birth." I agree with the above. When looking at microfilm of old NYC birth records I have run across multiple birth certs in a row with the same midwife's name on each. I'm reasonably sure the midwife did not attend six births in one day! I do think that the birth certs were filed in a bundle by the midwife whenever she could get around to it. Circa 1900 NYC cracked down on getting birth certs filed. Regards, Sherri Bobish Princeton, NJ
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Sherri Bobish
Note that there are two 1870 census for Manhattan. The City believed it was under counted, and a second enumeration was done six months after the first enumeration. Regards, Sherri Bobish Princeton, NJ Details on that can be read here: http://bklyn-genealogy-info.stevemorse.org/Census/1870/1870.CS.NYC.html From above site: The original census (or 1st Enumeration) was conducted beginning 1 June 1870. The 2nd Enumeration was conducted about 6 months later, in the December-January time frame.
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Re: Please help me identify the people in this family Ferein photo in Cleveland, OH
#usa
Sherri Bobish
Hi Elise, Have you checked to see if the society's records were donated? https://www.cjh.org/pdfs/Landsmanshaftn07.pdf From above site: "Landsmanshaft Records at the Center for Jewish History You may search CJH’s online catalog at http://catalog.cjh.org by either the organization name or the town name" Regards, Sherri Bobish Princeton, NJ
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What To Do When You've Hit A Brick Wall
#general
Alan Reische
I've made immense progress since I started 5-6 years ago, largely through the generosity of JewishGen members, but I seem to have hit a brick wall. Here briefly is where I am:
One brief digression: my cousin from the newly discovered branch sent me a photo of her GGMother and GGFather; my father would have been their nephew. Her GGFather is looking straight into the camera. It is as if my long dead father's eyes were staring back at me.It gives me a frisson just to think about it.
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Re: Removing initial I from names
#names
Dr.Josef ASH
Surnames appeared only some two hundred years ago.
Until that men used names. And continued to do the same.
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Jewish Genealogy Society of Toronto. Exclusive free MyHeritage webinar on Thursday July 23 at 10 am EST
#announcements
#events
Jerry Scherer
Jewish Genealogy Society of Toronto. Exclusive free MyHeritage webinar on Thursday July 23 at 10 am EST.
The Jewish Genealogical Society of Toronto is proud to present MyHeritage Genealogy Expert, Daniel Horowitz, in a series of exclusive free genealogical webinars on Thursdays @ 10 am EST.
Family Tree Builder, FREE Software to Manage Your Genealogy, What's New and Why Should I Use it Thu, Jul 23 @ 10 a.m. EST by Daniel Horowitz
Family Tree Builder has unique features to help you build, research and showcase your family tree easily and privatized: chart wizard, consistency checker, privacy tools for specific facts and individuals, multimedia association to sources, multiple addresses; find duplicates, task manager, married names for men, and more. Registration URL: https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/7717706718769593103 The final MyHeritage webinar in the series will be Families Reunited Thanks to Genetic Genealogy: True Stories Thu, Jul 30 @ 10 a.m. EST by Daniel Horowitz
As a global leader in family history, MyHeritage believes that every story count. Across a diverse range of cultures and backgrounds, our lives and family traditions are shaped by the generations that came before us, and we all have much to learn from our ancestors. Registration URL: https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/4189115520003906319
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Re: French Naturalization
#france
David Choukroun
@ Carol, Ilya,
to find the decret reference, you have to search into the "Journal Officiel de la République Française" via Gallica.fr for exemple https://gallica.bnf.fr/services/engine/search/sru?operation=searchRetrieve&version=1.2&collapsing=disabled&query=%28dc.title%20all%20%22Journal%20officiel%20de%20la%20R%C3%A9publique%20fran%C3%A7aise%22%29%20and%20arkPress%20all%20%22cb34378481r_date%22&rk=85837;2 If you send me the name in private, I can probably search quickly for you Best David David Choukroun Paris, France david.choukroun@...
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Re: Kansas City Lithuania Jews
#lithuania
#usa
Hi Ethan,
Thanks for your note. My Litvaks mostly
went to Chicago, but somehow a Chicago Goldberg met/married a
Kansas City Ginsberg. And one of the Ginsberg siblings married a
woman from Iowa and may have lived there for a while -- but the
Iowa/Nebraska border, not Des Moines. And the first Jewish
settlements in the KC area appear to have been in Leavenworth and
St Joseph, not Kansas City itself. I'm sure at the time it all
made sense, but sure wish my ancestors had kept notes.
Best,
JoAnne
While I have deep roots in Kansas City - back to Leavenworth during the Civil War - my earliest ancestors there were not Litvaks. My Litvak ancestors settled in Chicago and Des Moines. In Des Moines it is true that many of the early Lithuanian Jews came from the same area of Lithuania, from the area of Kalvarija, Pilviskiai, and Vilkaviskis. Today this is in southwestern Lithuania, near the Polish border. I don't know if they were all related, though it's quite possible. Among the Litvaks in Des Moines were some Ginsbergs, though I have no idea if they had relatives in KC.
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JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535
BLOCH, SEGAL, FRIDMAN, KAMINSKY, PLOTNIK/KIN -- LIthuania
GOLDSCHMIDT, HAMMERSCHLAG,HEILBRUNN, REIS(S), EDELMUTH, ROTHSCHILD, SPEI(Y)ER -- Hesse, Germany
COHEN, KAMP, HARFF, FLECK, FRÖHLICH, HAUSMANN, DANIEL -- Rhineland, Germany
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Re: Grodner family in Argentina
#general
lsragovicz@...
Hi Ralph. I contacted Estela at AGJA (Argentinan JGS) and she was so helpful. Her email is consultas.agja@...
Also check out their FB page Good luck -- Lia Sragovicz
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JPmiaou@...
1936 births will not be public for decades yet. (The new law is so insanely badly written that many archives are erring on the side of caution and using 130 years as the cutoff for birth records.) You'll definitely need someone like Karesz to get any sort of access. (You basically need "academic research" credentials, because being a direct descendant will only get you extracts, with the usual chicken-and-egg requirement of knowing exactly what's in the record so that you can find out what's in it.)
Julia ./\ /\ .>*.*<
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Re: Removing initial I from names
#names
Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
Same principle: names get shortened..
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Many Steinkopfs became Stein, Hautkovich became Kovich, Sotomayer became Mayer…...
BTW, your initial post did not specify family names:
"Does anyone know why an I (or yod) was sometimes removed from start of names ?
In my family Italienner became Talyena, and Israel became Srul." Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ
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Re: Hebrew Translation for two Tombstones
#names
#translation
fredelfruhman
There have been two different readings of the date of death for William Jaffe.
It is the 10th of Shvat. -- Fredel Fruhman Brooklyn, New York, USA
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Re: Removing initial I from names
#names
Dr.Josef ASH
I'll add: Yitshak become Tsahi, Yehezkel - Hezi, Yehoram - Rami, Yonatan - Nati
Jeffrey comes from Ephraim. Weren't YOU called at home Frojm, (or smthng like)? It is natural in every language to shorten the names at home. I'm sure Ivanka doesn't call her husband (at home) Donald, but ... i don't know English well enough... I am sure that italian woman in Israel would be called Tali. I tryed to answer your question. Some linguist would do it wider...
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Re: Removing initial I from names
#names
Jeffrey Cohen
Yes but those are first names and I was referring to family names that are modified.
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Re: Meaning and Subtext of "Grundwirth"
#names
David Barrett
grundwirth = BASIC
grundwirt = LANDLORD
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