Requesting help reading name #names #russia

Nina Tobias

Dear Helpful People,

Attached is the Ellis Island record of arrival for my paternal great-grandmother and two of six her children (lines 22-24).

Her name is written as Chaje Worobiev. She gave her sister as the nearest relative left at home. This name and other information is on the far right. I would greatly appreciate any guesses as to what is written.

fyi - her actual name was Chava Vorabyev nee Bayliss or Beiliss. She and the children traveled to Chicago to join her husband Leib Vorabyev. They became Ida and Lou Goldman. Insert laugh here.

Thanks so much,
Nina Tobias
Scottsdale, Arizona

HOROWITZ (Iasi & Odessa)
TOBIAS (Rymanow, Galicia)
SWARTZ (Iasi, Romania)

What was Ginsburg & Klausner, S Fallsburg, NY (Catskills) not listed as hotel #usa

Susan Goldsmith

Dear JewishGenners,
Does anyone know what Ginsburg & Klausner was in S Fallsburg, NY (Catskills)?  It is not listed as a hotel or bungalow community.  My great grandmother Lena Horowitz gave as her return address, on a 1907 letter, "c/o Ginsburg & Klausner".  She was a baker before emigrating to the US in 1905.
Thank you,
Susan Goldsmith
SF Bay Area, CA, USA
Researching GOLDSHMIDT, F(P)ILVINSKY, SHLIOMOVICH, GITTES (GADIE,GADYE, GIDUSH, GITES) Seta, Jonava, Kaunas, Adustiskes, Zemaiciu Naumiestes, Keidainiai, Vandziogala, Lithuania
HOROWITZ, DRASNIN (DRASNE) Dauhinava, Belarus; TOBIAS (TOUBES, TOBES, TAUBES) Novyy Swerzhen and Stowbtsy, Belarus; ROZANSKY, BILINSKY, MIRANSKY Iasevichi, Belarus
DAVIS, HAFFNER Botosani, Tomania
WAXMAN (WAKSMAN) Sandomierz, Ostrowiec, Poland




Susan Goldsmith
San Francisco Bay Area, CA, USA
Researching GOLDSHMIDT, F(P)ILVINSKY, SHLIOMOVICH, GITTES (GADIE,GADYE, GIDUSH, GITES) Seta, Jonava, Kaunas, Adustiskes, Zemaiciu Naumiestes, Keidainiai, Ukmerge, Vandziogala, Lithuania
HOROWITZ, DRASNIN (DRASNE) Dauhinava, Belarus; TOBIAS (TOUBES, TOBES, TAUBES) Novyy Swerzhen and Stowbtsy, Belarus; ROZANSKY, BILINSKY, MIRANSKY Iasevichi, Belarus
DAVIS, HAFFNER Botosani, Romania
WAXMAN (WAKSMAN), KOENIGSBERG Sandomierz, Ostrowiec Poland

June 2020 Summary of IAJGS Records Access Alert #jgs-iajgs #general

Jan Meisels Allen

As mentioned previously, every month I post a listing of the IAJGS Records Access Alert topics from the previous month for you to see the variety of issues…some were posted on this discussion group but most were not—all postings are included below. The following are the summaries for the month of June 2020.  In order not to miss out on important information it is worthwhile for you and your society to be subscribed to the Records Access Alert. Without records, genealogists cannot do genealogy –making certain that we retain access and gain access where it is impaired is every genealogists' responsibility.


  • (Australia) National Library of Australia Launches New and Improved Trove
  • (Canada)  Quebéc's Bill 64 Proposes Sweeping Changes to Its Privacy Regime--Including the Right to be Forgotten.
  • (European Union) EU Commission Report Says Ireland and Luxembourg Need More Muscle to Police Technology Giants
  • (European Union)  EU Data Protection Board 31st Plenary Session Announcements on GDPR, NoYB and More
  • (European Union)  EU Planning Formal Antitrust Charges Against Amazon Over Treatment of Third-Party Sellers
  • (European Union)  EU Data Protection Board Updates Guidelines on GDPR Consent
  • (European Union) Gala-X German- French EU Initiative for Commercial Cloud Providers
  • (European Union)  Google Loses In French High Court- Fined $57Million Violation of GDPR
  • (European Union)  More on EU Commission Report on Evaluation of GDPR
  • (France) Conseil D'Etat Judges that CNIL Cannot Prohibit Cookie Wall Practices in Blocking Website Access if Cookies are Refused.
  • (France) French Parliament Passes Hate Speech Law Permitting Fines of Social Media Companies if they Fail To Remove Illegal Content within 24 Hours
  • (Germany)  Facebook Loses Antitrust Decision in Germany Over Data Collection
  • Google Agrees to Pay Some Publishers in Select Countries
  • International Archives Week June 8-14, 2020
  • (Netherlands) Dutch Court Rules that a Grandmother Violated GDPR by Refusing to Remove Grandchildren's Photos from Facebook and Pinterest
  • (New Zealand)  Privacy Law Passed Third reading in Parliament
  • (Northern  Ireland)  EU Court Decision Prompts Northern Ireland Police to Delete Biometric Records
  • Project Gutenberg Blocked By ISPs in Italy
  • (South  Africa) Protection of Personal Information Act 4 of 2013
  • (Spain) Spain's Lower House to Draft 3% Digital Tax on Internet Giants
  • (UK) GPO War Heroes Fought in Both World Wars Database of Deceased
  • (US) Concerns About Politicizing the 2020 Census
  • (US) S 4051 End of Use of Warrant-Proof Encryption Legislation Introduced; Earn It Act S 3398
  • (US) USCIS Will No Longer Send Federal Register Announcement to their Subscriber List
  • (US-CA)  California Attorney General Submits Proposed Privacy Regulations to Office of Administrative Law
  • (US-CA) California Privacy Law Revision to Appear on November Ballot
  • (US-CA)  National Association of Advertisers Asks Governor Newsom to Delay Implementation of CCPA
  • (US-CA) SB 980 Privacy DNA and Illness Testing Set For Hearing on June 18 Upon Adjournment of Session
  • (US-GA) SB 372 Passes Georgia's Legislature
  • (US-Idaho)  Court Rules Transgender People Allowed to Change their Birth Certificates
  • (US-IA)  Iowa's SF 2351 Right to be Forgotten Act Dead for the Year
  • (US-MI) Senate Joint Resolution G Electronic Data and Communication Safe from Unreasonable Search and Seizure Proposed Constitutional Amendment
  • (US-NY-Yonkers) Reclaim the Records--Yonkers, NY Birth and Death Records Go Online For First time
  • (US-WA) Permanent Rule Adopted-Vital Records Rules
  • (US-WY) Wyoming Supreme Court Allows Jurisdiction in Lower Court Regarding Sex Change On Birth Certificates


The IAJGS Board of Directors approved opening the Records Access Alert to anyone who is interested in records access. This was announced previously.  We now have subscribers from many genealogical organizations not previously able to subscribe. To be on top of what is happening I encourage you to register for the Records Access Alerts to receive the information in a timely manner.  If you are interested in any of the above items, please register for the IAJGS Records Access Alert and look at them in the archives.  To register for the IAJGS Records Access Alert go to: and follow the instructions to enter your email address, full name and which genealogical organization you belong to-a society, SIG  or a subscriber of JewishGen, Avotaynu, Legal Genealogist  etc. You will receive an email response that you have to reply to, or the subscription will not be finalized. The alerts are archived and once you register you may access the archives at:


The IAJGS Records Access Alert is not a daily announcement list. Depending on what happens worldwide, there may be no postings for several days and other times there may be several in one day.


These are listed alphabetically not chronologically.  Each month the locales covered differ.


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee






Re: Meaning and Subtext of "Grundwirth" #names

M.A. Miller

Sorry, the word "similar" in the first sentence is a cut-and-paste error. The sentence should read, "help with a common word..."

Mike M.

Re: What happened to uncle Michel ROTMAN ? #poland

Sherri Bobish

Hi Marilyn,

Perhaps a Page of Testimony was written for him?  You can search at Yad Vashem.
This is the link to the advanced search page:

You can search by name and/or location, i.e. town of birth.


Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Re: FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

Sherri Bobish

"I have noticed that when a midwife was involved, the midwife likely kept records of a number of births before reporting the births.  This sometimes led to issues with the actual date of birth."

I agree with the above.  When looking at microfilm of old NYC birth records I have run across multiple birth certs in a row with the same midwife's name on each.

I'm reasonably sure the midwife did not attend six births in one day!

I do think that the birth certs were filed in a bundle by the midwife whenever she could get around to it.

Circa 1900 NYC cracked down on getting birth certs filed.


Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Re: FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

Sherri Bobish

Note that there are two 1870 census for Manhattan.  The City believed it was under counted, and a second enumeration was done six months after the first enumeration.


Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Details on that can be read here:

From above site:
The original census (or 1st Enumeration) was conducted
beginning 1 June 1870.  The 2nd Enumeration was conducted about
6 months later, in the December-January time frame.

Re: Please help me identify the people in this family Ferein photo in Cleveland, OH #usa

Sherri Bobish

Hi Elise,

Have you checked to see if the society's records were donated?

From above site:
"Landsmanshaft Records at the Center for Jewish History 
You may search CJH’s online catalog at
by either the organization name or the town name"


Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

What To Do When You've Hit A Brick Wall #general

Alan Reische

I've made immense progress since I started 5-6 years ago, largely through the generosity of JewishGen members, but I seem to have hit a brick wall. Here briefly is where I am:

  • I have found my paternal GGFather, and likely his father too but in the latter case, no surname
  • I have found my GGFather's grave, and that and my GGMother's stones have been translated for me.
  • I have found my GFather's naturalization petition.
  • I have traced the family through every available census from 1895 on, with much help from members.
  • I have identified two siblings of my grandfather I knew nothing about, and in fact have communicated with a cousin from one of the branches, but she unfortunately is even further behind her search than I am.
  • The family consistently lists themselves as 'Austrian', except for pre-marriage when my GFather lists himself as Galician. However, my GMother Stein was from Koenigsburg and was echt German, and it is likely post-marriage that she influenced the description of country of origin, given the disregard many German Jews had for their Galitsianer co-religionists. There are family stories to that effect.
  • The spelling of the family name appears unique for Jews. I haven't found other Jewish families with that spelling although it is not uncommon with non-Jewish Germans. There are of course many Jewish names that are variants, such as 'Reich'.
  • The name suggests some ties to Rzeszow on my GGFather's part, and in Yiddish the city name appears as 'Reischa' and residents as 'Reischers'. Rzeszow's Jews were significantly German-speaking. The surname, as poointed out, does not mean he currently lived in Rzeszow, it describes where he originated from when he lived in a different area.
  • My GGMother apparently came from Przeclaw,(from her stone) which is @ 25 miles from Rzeszow. So, all indications are the paternal family and my GGFather came from somewhere in that area, and the likelihood that my GFather, a Galitsianer, could meet with approval from the German Steins would have been marginally better as he was likely German speaking and fit more comfortably into the Stein family.
  • But that's speculation, and I can't get beyond that. My GFather's naturalization papers indicated he arrived very specifically on June 15 1879, except Steve Morse tells me no ships arrived in NY on that date, or at least have manifests, and on various occasions family members stated they arrived in 1880 or 1881.
  • My GFather states a very specific birth date of March 3, 1874, but no manifest for anything close to that date lists him. I've conducted searches with a wide variety of different data, ranging from GGmother to siblings and nothing close turns up. Specifically, the name 'Reische' as I've spelled it does not appear as such in any of the European records I've searched so far, and I have never found a Jewish family with that spelling from 1879 going forward.
  • That generation is of course long gone. There's one surviving cousin that I'm close with but he doesn't know much more. Cousin from the newly discovered branches is helpful with what she has, which isn't much. So, where else can I go?
I think I've developed snow blindness, if you will and would welcome any suggestions. I've been through the idea of burial societies and have more work to do there, but can't think of other resources I should look at. Perhaps its just one of those eternal mysteries you can't solve at this late date.

One brief digression: my cousin from the newly discovered branch sent me a photo of her GGMother and GGFather; my father would have been their nephew. Her GGFather is looking straight into the camera. It is as if my long dead father's eyes were staring back at me.It gives me a frisson just to think about it.

Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Dr.Josef ASH

Surnames appeared only some two hundred years ago.
Until that men used names. And continued to do the same.

Jewish Genealogy Society of Toronto. Exclusive free MyHeritage webinar on Thursday July 23 at 10 am EST #announcements #events

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Re: French Naturalization #france

David Choukroun

@ Carol, Ilya,
to find the decret reference, you have to search into the "Journal Officiel de la République Française"

via for exemple;2

If you send me the name in private, I can probably search quickly for you


David Choukroun
Paris, France

Re: Kansas City Lithuania Jews #lithuania #usa

JoAnne Goldberg

Hi Ethan,

Thanks for your note. My Litvaks mostly went to Chicago, but somehow a Chicago Goldberg met/married a Kansas City Ginsberg. And one of the Ginsberg siblings married a woman from Iowa and may have lived there for a while -- but the Iowa/Nebraska border, not Des Moines. And the first Jewish settlements in the KC area appear to have been in Leavenworth and St Joseph, not Kansas City itself. I'm sure at the time it all made sense, but sure wish my ancestors had kept notes.



While I have deep roots in Kansas City - back to Leavenworth during the Civil War - my earliest ancestors there were not Litvaks.  My Litvak ancestors settled in Chicago and Des Moines.  In Des Moines it is true that many of the early Lithuanian Jews came from the same area of Lithuania, from the area of Kalvarija, Pilviskiai, and Vilkaviskis.  Today this is in southwestern Lithuania, near the Polish border.  I don't know if they were all related, though it's quite possible.  Among the Litvaks in Des Moines were some Ginsbergs, though I have no idea if they had relatives in KC.

Any questions, please let me know.

Ethan Starr
Washington, DC

JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535


Re: Grodner family in Argentina #general


Hi Ralph.  I contacted Estela at AGJA (Argentinan JGS) and she was so helpful.  Her email is consultas.agja@...
Also check out their FB page

Good luck
Lia Sragovicz

Re: 1936 Hungary birth records #general #hungary


1936 births will not be public for decades yet. (The new law is so insanely badly written that many archives are erring on the side of caution and using 130 years as the cutoff for birth records.) You'll definitely need someone like Karesz to get any sort of access. (You basically need "academic research" credentials, because being a direct descendant will only get you extracts, with the usual chicken-and-egg requirement of knowing exactly what's in the record so that you can find out what's in it.)

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Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>

Same principle:  names get shortened..   
Many  Steinkopfs became Stein, Hautkovich became Kovich, Sotomayer became Mayer…...
BTW, your initial post did not specify family names:
"Does anyone know why an I (or yod) was sometimes removed from start of names ?
In my family Italienner became Talyena, and Israel became Srul."
Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Jeffrey Cohen via <> wrote:

Yes but those are first names and I was referring to family names that are modified.

Re: Hebrew Translation for two Tombstones #names #translation


There have been two different readings of the date of death for William Jaffe.

It is the 10th of Shvat.
Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA

Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Dr.Josef ASH

I'll add: Yitshak become Tsahi, Yehezkel - Hezi, Yehoram - Rami, Yonatan - Nati
Jeffrey comes from Ephraim. Weren't YOU called at home Frojm,  (or smthng like)?
It is natural in every language to shorten the names at home.
I'm sure Ivanka doesn't call her husband (at home) Donald, but ... i don't know English well enough...
I am sure that italian woman in Israel would be called Tali.
I tryed to answer your question. 
Some linguist would do it wider...

Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Jeffrey Cohen

Yes but those are first names and I was referring to family names that are modified.

Re: Meaning and Subtext of "Grundwirth" #names

David Barrett

grundwirth = BASIC
grundwirt = LANDLORD 

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