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Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Miriam Bulwar David-Hay
 

It was not only the "I/Y" that was removed from the start of names. Yiddish-speaking Eastern European Jews, especially in Poland (the country with which I'm most familiar), tended to swallow the first letters of words and names when speaking, for example saying "chbin" for "ich bin" (I am) and "dvelst" for "du velst" (you will). Names were often abbreviated by dropping the first syllable/part of the name, especially if it was unstressed (as opposed to what happens in the English-speaking world, where it is more common to drop the END of the name). Thus Alexander (which would be abbreviated to Alex in an English-speaking country) becomes Sender in Poland, Emanuel becomes Manel, Efraim becomes Froim, Yeshaya becomes Shaya, Israel becomes Srul, and so on. I can easily see a Polish Jew turning Italienner into Talyener/a. 

All the best,
Miriam Bulwar David-Hay,
Raanana, Israel.
Professional journalist, writer, editor, proofreader.
Professional translator (Hebrew/Yiddish to English).
Certified guide, Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial and Museum.
 
Re: DNA and Gedmatch #dna

Jill Whitehead
 

I think it is a pity that Ancestry DNA does not offer the same services as FTDNA, 23andme and MyHeritage, with the result you have to ask possible relatives to put their data on Gedmatch, and in 9 cases out of 10, they will not do this, which is frustrating.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK
Re: Searching for records of RUSSMAN from Pinsk #belarus #names

S.geller@...
 

thanks Corinne.  Yes I checked all those Canadian records/databases, all I could find were naturalization records, which indicated only the country of birth.
Re: Searching for records of RUSSMAN from Pinsk #belarus #names

@vshklyarnik
 

Hi,

Rusman Movsha is on the list of electors to the Duma in 1906 for the Pinsk district. His father had a double name Leiba-Yankel. https://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/lists/pinsk_uyezd_dumaq.htm 
Yankel in English-language records very often became Jacob. Movsha is quite suitable for the role of Jacob's father by age (in 1906 he had property or income). Moreover, Jacob himself could have been born around 1890-1900 and, according to the Jewish tradition, receive the name of his grandfather.
Not the worst version in the absence of other sources. Try looking for information about Movshe Rusman and his children (maybe in the lists and documents on Yad Vashem?).

 
I can also advise you to open a family topic by searching in the English-language section of the Russian site Jewish roots - there are many experienced researchers there, maybe they will suggest something. https://forum.j-roots.info/viewforum.php?f=101
Re: Bessarabia region: new records found #bessarabia #ukraine

ירוחם צבי קינסטליך
 

  Can I see the lists?
Trying to obtain a 1922 birth certificate from Oradea (Nagyvarad), Romania #romania #hungary #general

Reinier
 

One of my family members, Georges (Gheorghe) Jakab, died at age twenty in the French Resistance.
This happened while his parents were interned in various French concentration camps. When Georges was buried, no family was present. He received a Christian burial with a Christian cross on top of his grave.

We finally found his grave last year, and have the intention to, among other things, remove the Christian cross and to add a Star of David instead. We also want to renew the text which includes his name. Unfortunately, the Hebrew name of Georges is unknown to us, and for this reason I am trying to obtain his birth certificate. Georges was born as Gheorghe Jakab in Oradea (Nagyvarad) on June 15, 1922. Can somebody perhaps help (or do you perhaps know someone else who can help) with this?

Below are two photos of his grave in France.
Re: Meaning and Subtext of "Grundwirth" #names

David Lewin
 

Grund is here the ground on which a building is erected

Grundwirth is the owner of the land - as opposed to the building.
In the UK there are many such situations where we have to pay ground rent and a building is not "freehold"

David Lewin
London


At 16:51 21/07/2020, M.A. Miller wrote:
Im looking for translation help with a similar common word for an
occupation or status which appears in numerous family documents from
Galicia Province in the 19th-century. The word is Grundwirth,
sometimes spelled Grundwirt, meaning a landlord. Im interested in
knowing if this word has a specific implication or connotation, like
many old occupation words.

Hauswirt and sometimes Grundbesitzer can also mean landlord. Are
these words interchangeable, or does grundwirth have a special
meaning?

Is the presence of the h at the end significant, or is just a minor
spelling variation between Germans and Austrians?

Thank you for any help.

Mike Miller
New York, USA



Researching in Galicia:
Gliniany: FRIEDEL, GRUNBAND
Gologory: SAFRAN, BORITZ
Zolynia: JOKEL, SATTLER
Researching in Bessarabia:
Lipkany: WALLACH
Edineti: MEILER

Re: Removing initial I from names #names

David Lewin
 

At 16:01 21/07/2020, Jeffrey Cohen via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
Does anyone know why an I (or yod) was sometimes removed from start of names ?
In my family Italienner became Talyena, and Israel became Srul.

Jeffrey Cohen,  jeff59471@...>
_._,_._,_

That looks like the vagaries of Yiddish - not the dropping of a Yud

David Lewin
London

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Family Tree Maker Exposes Data on 60,000 Users #announcements #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

According to InfoSecurity-magazine.com, Family Tree Maker had a data breach leaking 25 GB of data linked to users of the Family Tree Maker software. After being informed by WizCase the incident was remediated shortly thereafter.  Among the details leaked to the public-facing internet were email addresses, geolocation data, IP addresses, system user IDs, support messages and technical details. Some 60,000 users are thought to have been exposed in this privacy snafu.

 

The data breach also included 25 gigabytes of data mirrored from Ancestry.com LLC.

 

“The leak exposed technical details about the system’s backend, which could help attackers leverage multiple cyber-attacks on Software MacKiev and its associated companies,” it was claimed.

 

To read more see: https://www.wizcase.com/blog/mackiev-leak-research/  and

https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/genealogy-software-maker-exposes/

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 
Brooklyn Historical Society (New York City) Collection of 1,500 Digitized Maps Date Back to 17th Century #announcements #general #usa

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

 

The Brooklyn Historical Society (New York City) placed online almost 1,500 digitized maps including maps for other New York City boroughs, Long Island, New York state, New Jersey and areas throughout the Eastern United States.  The collection includes maps from1562 to 2015, including transit maps, topographical maps, cultural maps and nautical charts, as well as plans for Central Park and Prospect Park.  Ore maps will be included over the coming months.

 

To view the map collection go to: https://mapcollections.brooklynhistory.org/

 

To read more see:  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/arts/new-york-historical-maps.html

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 
(Czech Republic) Czech Website on the Holocaust Launches Database of Victims Labeled "cikáni" by the Nazis and their Accomplices #holocaust # austria-czech #holocaust

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Database of Victims maintained by the Institute for the Terezín Initiative has now published data about the victims of the Holocaust labeled "cikáni" by the Nazis and their accomplices on Czech territory during the Second World War. (PHOTO: holocaust.cz)

 

A database at https://www.holocaust.cz/en/main-2/ has a new section of containing data about more victims of racial persecution in the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, those who were labeled "cikáni" during the Second World War. It was launched on 13 May 2020. Those labeled this way affected most of the Roma and Sinti people during the Second World War who were living on the territory of what is today the Czech Republic. Currently data is available there about the people who perished in the Protectorate's "Cikánský camp" (the "Zigeunerlager" or "CT Lety") at Lety u Písku, which was in operation from August 1942 to August 1943.

 

Since its establishment in 1993, the Institute of the Terezín Initiative (ITI - Institut Terezínské iniciativy) http://www.terezinstudies.cz/index.html (it is in both Czech and English),  has been systematically dedicated to the commemoration of the Holocaust and research about Holocaust victims, and since 2008 it has published a Database of Victims at holocaust.cz. Information was first published there about those victims who had been labeled "Jews" according to the Nuremberg Laws then in effect.

 

The Database of Victims draws from the data published in the Terezín Book of Memory (Terezínská pamětní kniha, vols. 1 and 2) http://www.terezinstudies.cz/sd/publications/terezinske-pametni-knihy/miroslav-karny-kol-terezinska-pametni-kniha.html, which were published in 1995 by Melantrich and the Terezín Initiative and contain data about the Jewish victims of the Nazi deportations from Bohemia and Moravia that took place from 1941 to 1945.

 

The Database of Victims has two sections, a public-facing section and one that is not accessible by the public. The public section is accessible at https://www.holocaust.cz/en/main-2/ and contains data just about persons who were murdered or who died as a consequence of their imprisonment.  For privacy reasons they did not publish data about survivors or about those whose fates have not yet been traced.  It is possible to access data on the basis of a research request.

 

In the public section of the database, identification information is published about prisoners who died in the "Cikánský camp" at Lety between August 1942 and August 1943, the time it was in operation.

 

The database includes name and surname, a date and place of birth, length of iprisonment and a data and place of death.

 

To read more see:

http://www.romea.cz/en/news/czech/czech-website-on-the-holocaust-launches-database-of-victims-labeled-cikani-by-the-nazis-and-their-accomplices

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 
Re: What was Ginsburg & Klausner, S Fallsburg, NY (Catskills) not listed as hotel #usa

Kay Miller
 

I am not sure about this hotel. Do you have a date range for it? My husband's grandfather, Isaac Miller (Isak Mueller) had a "hotel" called the Miller Gap House in Loch Sheldrake that is not listed in any publication that I have seen. I will ask Ivan tomorrow and will get back to you. Where have you looked for references to it? I also see that you have a Horowitz listed as a name you are researching.  Yetta Horowitz was married to Isaac and she cooked in several different hotels in the area, as well as the Miller Gap House. If you don't know, Loch Sheldrake is not too far from South Fallsburg. Do you have a Yetta Horowitz in your tree? Her parents were Michall and Sara (Sore) Horowitz.

Best regards,
Kay Morris Miller


Researching:  LAUFMAN, MALES, BRANT, LYONS, TANNENBAUM, MILLER
Re: What To Do When You've Hit A Brick Wall #general

avivahpinski@verizon.net
 

I read your long submission and do not have a global answer fory your
searching, but I am including some of your notes below and have
interspersed some comments and suggestions, /in italics. /

8a. *What To Do When You've Hit A Brick Wall* #general
From: Alan Reische
<mailto:a.reische@...?subject=Re:%20What%20To%20Do%20When%20You%27ve%20Hit%20A%20Brick%20Wall>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:13:18 EDT

I've made immense progress since I started 5-6 years ago, largely
through the generosity of JewishGen members, but I seem to have hit a
brick wall. Here briefly is where I am:

        I have found my paternal GGFather, and likely his father too
but in the latter case, no surname

/                Depending where individuals lived in Europe, most of
Eastern Europe did not require last names until the early 19th century/.

* The family consistently lists themselves as 'Austrian', except for
pre-marriage when my GFather lists himself as Galician. However, my
GMother Stein was from Koenigsburg and was echt German, and it is
likely post-marriage that she influenced the description of country
of origin, given the disregard many German Jews had for their
Galitsianer co-religionists. There are family stories to that effect.
o /Galicia was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Anyone from
Galicia was Austrian. People used Austrian and Galicia
interchangeably. The official language was German. Individuals
could move within the Empire, with many Jews going from Galicia
to Austria ( for example from Lemberg to Vienna). I suggest that
you do some reading on the history of the area and the changing
borders of Europe.  In addition, you can look up each of the
towns in Jewishgen's Town finder.  the chart will give you the
dates that the particular town was part of the
Austrian-Hungarian Empire, part of Poland, etc. and the time
periods. /

    The name suggests some ties to Rzeszow on my GGFather's part, and
in Yiddish the city name appears as 'Reischa' and residents as
'Reischers'. Rzeszow's Jews were significantly German-speaking. The
surname, as pointed             out, does not mean he currently lived in
Rzeszow, it describes where he originated from when he lived in a
different area.
/Rzeszow was in Galicia and part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire - it was
therefore officially German speaking. The Town Finder lists "Raysha"  as
the Yiddish name for Rzezow.  This is why you have to use alternate
             spellings in any of your searches. /

* My GGMother apparently came from Przeclaw,(from her stone) which is
@ 25 miles from Rzeszow. So, all indications are the paternal family
and my GGFather came from somewhere in that area, and the likelihood
that my GFather, a Galitsianer, could meet with approval from the
German Steins would have been marginally better as he was likely
German speaking and fit more comfortably into the Stein family.
o /As noted above, Galicia was part of the Austro-Hungarian
Empire, and German was the official language. This should
disavow you of your speculation about Galicia and "German." 
Poland did not become a nation until after WWI. It was
previously split between the Russian Empire and the
Austro-Hungarian Empire, which was Galicia. . /
* But that's speculation, and I can't get beyond that. My GFather's
naturalization papers indicated he arrived very specifically on June
15 1879, except Steve Morse tells me no ships arrived in NY on that
date, or at least have manifests, and on various occasions family
members stated they arrived in 1880 or 1881.
o /Could your Grandfather have come into a port other than NY? 
Steve Morse gives links to arrivals at a number of other ports. 
In addition, there are some manifests or parts of manifests that
are missing.
/
* My GFather states a very specific birth date of March 3, 1874, but
no manifest for anything close to that date lists him. I've
conducted searches with a wide variety of different data, ranging
from GGmother to siblings and nothing close turns up. Specifically,
the name 'Reische' as I've spelled it does not appear as such in any
of the European records I've searched so far, and I have never found
a Jewish family with that spelling from 1879 going forward. /One
always checks alternate spelling.  that's why Soundex is used. There
are a few listigs for Reische in Jewishgen;  there are many listings
for Reischer. /

Hope this is of some help.   Check the Gesher Galicia website.  You
might also want to attend the International Jewish Genealogy Zoom
Conference -  check and see if there are any lectures on the changing
borders, Galicia, and the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Avivah Pinski near Philadelphia
--
Avivah R. Z. Pinski ,  near Philadelphia, USA
Bessarabia region: new records found #bessarabia #ukraine

Yefim Kogan
 

Hello everybody,

Working with one of the microfilms, I found that everything is related to non-Jews, except one section in the end of the microfilm. It appears to be Cheder's records.  It is a name of a melamed with his students.  I see such records for the first time.  For the melamed it gives his full name, how he got permission for the cheder, and for the students surname, first name, father's name, father's estate: Merchant, Middle Class, age, amount of money family paid to melamed.  There is also a description of the room and cleanness, etc.
I got such records for three towns:  Akkerman - 7 cheders/melameds with 91 students, Khotin - 14 melameds with 223 students and Kaushany with 1 melamed with 24 students.  All these records are for 1857.

I think this is a great find and the records going to be a nice addition to our JewishGen Bessarabia collection.

If anyone would like to work on records for Akkerman and Khotin  (Kaushany I already transcribed - that is a shteitl where both of my parents lived),  please let me know.  The handwriting is not great, but readable.

All the best,
Yefim Kogan
Bessarabia region Leader and Coordinator
Re: DNA and Gedmatch #dna

Max Heffler
 

Gedmatch is down for maintenance, probably due to the breach

 

From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Magda Fender via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 7:51 PM
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] DNA and Gedmatch #dna

 

Please anyone match my gedmatch   A490637 


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Can you help me identify this town? Nowe Skrezepiec, Poland #poland

Todd Cohn
 

This is the name of the town/city that was listed on an AJDC emigration index card.
I looked on JewishGen KehillaLinks and JRI Poland but didn't find anything. 
The daughter of the person who's birthplace I'm trying to find said she pronounced it "Nova Shapeecha"
Any help you can offer is much appreciated!
-Todd
 
Re: military notbook #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Hello Adrian,  this is very interesting.

 

I assume that you find in the military notebook the Silintinsky's 41st Infantry Military Regiment.

It would be good to see a copy of that page with the name of the Regiment.

I know a very good book about this topic:  “Jews in the Russian Army, 1827-1917: Drafted into Modernity”, written by Yohanan Petrovsky-Shtern.  He did a lot of work in the archives of the Soviet Union, Poland, and gives information about sources in his book.  I know that there is a Military Archive in Moscow, which probably collected information.

https://journals.openedition.org/pipss/2313  - reference to Yohanan’s book

In our Bessarabia databases sometimes we have a records about retired military person, but most of the records are from 19 century.

 

Also it would interesting to know where your grandfather lived before going to the army?

 

Good luck to you with your research.

 

Yefim Kogan
Re: greek jews #sephardic

Ina Getzoff
 

Judith:
I know that Wikepedia where you got your information says that the Edict of Expulsion ended in 1834 but in effect there were two different times that it ended. One was on Dec. 16, 1958 when the second Vatican Council formally and symbolically ended it and the second one was on March 31, 1992-500 years from when it officially started in Spain that King Juan Carlos signed the official document ending it. This was signed in a temple in Los Angeles, California. 
 
I don't doubt that you have some knowledge of this event but I am Sephardic and have done research on my family and this topic for many years. Hope this information is helpful to you.
Ina Getzoff (Algazi)
Delray Beach Florida
Re: Searching for records of RUSSMAN from Pinsk #belarus #names

itencorinne@...
 

DNA and Gedmatch #dna

Magda Fender
 

Please anyone match my gedmatch   A490637 
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