Re: Is the first name Marx a shortened version of Mordecai #names

Dick Plotz <Dick@...>

I haven't seen this in Lithuania, but in German-speaking areas in the
19th century Marx was very commonly a civil name used by men whose
Hebrew name was Mordecai. I wouldn't call it a "shortened" form,
although it's certainly shorter when written in English; it's more
along the lines of the frequent associations of Philip/Feivel or
Emanuel/Menachem. Why would someone from Lithuania use "Marx" as their
civil name, rather than Marcus or Mark (or Mordecai, for that matter)?
You'd have to look at when and where he adopted that civil name, and
you haven't told us anything about that. Even in Lithuania, I think
German might have been used as a cultural step up, rather than
Russian: it was the language of a neighboring country with more
enlightened policies than Russia's, and it was easy to learn for
someone whose native language was Yiddish. But that's just a guess.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 9:13 AM Phil Goldfarb <phil.goldfarb@...> wrote:

Trying to clear up a puzzle. Does anyone know if the first name Marx (which was found on a death certificate) was a shortened version of Mordecai (a potential relative which was found on a tombstone) They were all from Lithuania.

Re: Is the first name Marx a shortened version of Mordecai #names

Nancy Siegel

One of my uncles had the middle name of Marx. This was short for Markus, after his grandfather from Rohatyn, Ukraine.

Nancy Siegel
San Francisco, CA

Re: DNA and Gedmatch #dna

Bob Silverstein

GEDmatch has been hacked.  If you have an account, you should have an email from them.  The site is down indefinitely.  Once it is back up, reset your police sharing and password.  They report phishing emails coming from MyHeritage so be exceedingly careful about all messages coming from MyHeritage.

Re: Requesting help reading name #names #russia


What I can make out is "Ribiosya something something something Russia" and below the name, "Sister". Can we see this larger?
Per the column heading, it is supposed to be the name and address of someone back home, and it looks like it is.

Good luck
Robert Roth
Kingston NY USA

Is the first name Marx a shortened version of Mordecai #names

Phil Goldfarb

Trying to clear up a puzzle. Does anyone know if the first name Marx (which was found on a death certificate) was a shortened version of Mordecai (a potential relative which was found on a tombstone) They were all from Lithuania.
Thanks for any help
Phil Goldfarb
Tulsa, OK

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Re: Bessarabia region: new records found #bessarabia #ukraine

Yael & Barry

I am interested in AkKerman. How can I view the records ?
Yael Driver

Re: Research individuals in France #france

Trish Lane

Hello Bernard,
I don't know if it's too late to ask you if you could help with my family dilemma. Is it possible to look up Pavel I Ratner and Julia Rattner or Ratner at 6 Rue Lincoln  8th Arond 75008.
I have little further information .  They left St Petersburg around 1917 due to the revolution and I have this address.   Pavel (Paul)  was born in 1859 in Belarus.  His wife Julia nee Rosenstein was born in Constantinople.  They had 2 daughters whose names were Xenia and Alexandra( Sasha) who may not have been with them. I doubt were living with them .
I would be very grateful to you .
Best Wishes,
Patricia Lane

Re: Meaning and Subtext of "Grundwirth" #names

Norma Klein

It seems that “Grundwirth” is an Austrian expression meaning farmer, equivalent to German “Landwirt“.

Re: What happened to uncle Michel ROTMAN ? #poland

Miriam Bulwar David-Hay

I suggest that you or your friend contact the Jewish Historical Institute in Warsaw (known by its Polish acronym, ZIH). It has a great deal of information on survivors from all over Poland just after the war, and possibly beyond that. There are contact details in the website:

All the best,
Miriam Bulwar David-Hay,
Raanana, Israel. 

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Professional translator (Hebrew/Yiddish to English).

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Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Shlomo Katz

The subject of shortened names and nicknames is of great significance in Halachah / Jewish law because a Get / divorce document must have the names exactly right, or the couple may not enter into new marriages, and future children of the woman would be Mamzeirim / legally bastards. Thus, it is of far greater significance than why Patricia is Pat and Elizabeth is Betsy. Many scholarly rabbinic works have been written over many centuries on the subject of names, their correct spellings, and whether we can assume two names are the same or not. You also need to know the story behind the name.  For example, I have an Israeli cousin named Kobi, which many people would assume is actually Yaakov. In fact, he is named after his grandfather Yaakov. However, his mother felt that Yaakov was old-fashioned so they gave him only the "modern" name Kobi. In that situation, it would be wrong according to Jewish law to substitute Yaakov.

Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring MD

Re: military notbook #bessarabia

Adrian Koifman

Hi Yefim
Thank you for the email. 

i am attaching the military notebook of my grandfather Mosko ( moishe ) Mauricio Koifman.
I don’t 
The notebook says that he chose residence in Bessarabia, Jotin District, Kelemensky commune.
I wait your comments. 


Adrian koifman 

Tracing persons using Russian Empire census records. #russia

Stephen Denker <spdenker@...>

Would it be possible for an archivist to use the Russian Archives to trace a particular person or family back in time from the 1897 All Russian Empire Census toward 1800 using Revision Lists and earlier censuses?
I have the Bobruisk record below, a complete set of family given names and patronymics as of 1872

My Shmuel Epstein grandfather’s birth record --- "A boy Samuil born in Bobruisk June 3, 1877, was circumcised on June 10. His father is Shlema Epshtein Meshanin of Shereshevo of Grodno guberniya, mother is Golda. Circumcision was done by Iser Chienkin.” Source: Fond 1520, Opis 7, Delo 1, page 16. National Historical Archives of Belarus, Minsk.
Stephen Denker
Boston, MA


Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Miriam Bulwar David-Hay

It was not only the "I/Y" that was removed from the start of names. Yiddish-speaking Eastern European Jews, especially in Poland (the country with which I'm most familiar), tended to swallow the first letters of words and names when speaking, for example saying "chbin" for "ich bin" (I am) and "dvelst" for "du velst" (you will). Names were often abbreviated by dropping the first syllable/part of the name, especially if it was unstressed (as opposed to what happens in the English-speaking world, where it is more common to drop the END of the name). Thus Alexander (which would be abbreviated to Alex in an English-speaking country) becomes Sender in Poland, Emanuel becomes Manel, Efraim becomes Froim, Yeshaya becomes Shaya, Israel becomes Srul, and so on. I can easily see a Polish Jew turning Italienner into Talyener/a. 

All the best,
Miriam Bulwar David-Hay,
Raanana, Israel.
Professional journalist, writer, editor, proofreader.
Professional translator (Hebrew/Yiddish to English).
Certified guide, Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial and Museum.

Re: DNA and Gedmatch #dna

Jill Whitehead

I think it is a pity that Ancestry DNA does not offer the same services as FTDNA, 23andme and MyHeritage, with the result you have to ask possible relatives to put their data on Gedmatch, and in 9 cases out of 10, they will not do this, which is frustrating.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: Searching for records of RUSSMAN from Pinsk #belarus #names


thanks Corinne.  Yes I checked all those Canadian records/databases, all I could find were naturalization records, which indicated only the country of birth.

Re: Searching for records of RUSSMAN from Pinsk #belarus #names



Rusman Movsha is on the list of electors to the Duma in 1906 for the Pinsk district. His father had a double name Leiba-Yankel. 
Yankel in English-language records very often became Jacob. Movsha is quite suitable for the role of Jacob's father by age (in 1906 he had property or income). Moreover, Jacob himself could have been born around 1890-1900 and, according to the Jewish tradition, receive the name of his grandfather.
Not the worst version in the absence of other sources. Try looking for information about Movshe Rusman and his children (maybe in the lists and documents on Yad Vashem?).

I can also advise you to open a family topic by searching in the English-language section of the Russian site Jewish roots - there are many experienced researchers there, maybe they will suggest something.

Re: Bessarabia region: new records found #bessarabia #ukraine

ירוחם צבי קינסטליך

  Can I see the lists?

Re: Meaning and Subtext of "Grundwirth" #names

David Lewin

Grund is here the ground on which a building is erected

Grundwirth is the owner of the land - as opposed to the building.
In the UK there are many such situations where we have to pay ground rent and a building is not "freehold"

David Lewin

At 16:51 21/07/2020, M.A. Miller wrote:
Im looking for translation help with a similar common word for an
occupation or status which appears in numerous family documents from
Galicia Province in the 19th-century. The word is Grundwirth,
sometimes spelled Grundwirt, meaning a landlord. Im interested in
knowing if this word has a specific implication or connotation, like
many old occupation words.

Hauswirt and sometimes Grundbesitzer can also mean landlord. Are
these words interchangeable, or does grundwirth have a special

Is the presence of the h at the end significant, or is just a minor
spelling variation between Germans and Austrians?

Thank you for any help.

Mike Miller
New York, USA

Researching in Galicia:
Researching in Bessarabia:
Lipkany: WALLACH
Edineti: MEILER

Re: Removing initial I from names #names

David Lewin

At 16:01 21/07/2020, Jeffrey Cohen via wrote:
Does anyone know why an I (or yod) was sometimes removed from start of names ?
In my family Italienner became Talyena, and Israel became Srul.

Jeffrey Cohen,  jeff59471@...>

That looks like the vagaries of Yiddish - not the dropping of a Yud

David Lewin

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Family Tree Maker Exposes Data on 60,000 Users #announcements #general

Jan Meisels Allen


According to, Family Tree Maker had a data breach leaking 25 GB of data linked to users of the Family Tree Maker software. After being informed by WizCase the incident was remediated shortly thereafter.  Among the details leaked to the public-facing internet were email addresses, geolocation data, IP addresses, system user IDs, support messages and technical details. Some 60,000 users are thought to have been exposed in this privacy snafu.


The data breach also included 25 gigabytes of data mirrored from LLC.


“The leak exposed technical details about the system’s backend, which could help attackers leverage multiple cyber-attacks on Software MacKiev and its associated companies,” it was claimed.


To read more see:  and


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


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