Maxwell BUKOFZER #names

David Lewin

  • The BUKOFZER name has appeared here several times recently.

Has anyone got a Maxwell BUKOFZER ( died after 1955) married to Klara Maria Luise Elisabeth  PIECHLERT    6 Oct 1891 Bremen died Dec 1955 Sarasota, Florida ?

David Lewin

At 18:08 24/07/2020, Sherri Bobish wrote:


Thank you for your concise explanation.  I did not realize the "view all messages in topic" was to be found there.  This is very helpful information since I still find the new discussion list format challenging to use.

Thank you!

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Braila Romania cemetery #romania

Sam Wolff

Has anybody visited the Braila Jewish cemetery? If so, is it in
reasonably good shape? Let me know privately if you have family
members buried there.
Sam Wolff

Re: Kansas City Lithuania Jews #lithuania #usa

howard sachs

Milton Litvak's family?  I believe they came up from Galveston, when immigrants were diverted that way (Presumably "originally" from Lithuania}  Howard Sachs

Looking for Shmil Cioclea #romania

Ira Chioclea

Dear all geners,
My father , Shmil Cioclea born in Leova in 1912, married  Pesea Fixler (my mother )from Hotin in 1937.
They lived in Kishinev till the WW2 started. My father was drafted to the Soviet Armed Forces in 1941
and since then I don't have any information about him and nothing about his faith.
Does any of the geners can supply me with some information about Cioclea family in Leova?
It will help me very much about my research regarding my father and his family.
Best regards,
                     Jerucham Chioclea , Israel

Re: Looking for 19thC marriage record in NYC(?) #usa #austria-czech

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>

There aren't many NYC marriage records before 1900. There weren't required licenses.
Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Re: Records of passport applications from Poland and trip to France #france #poland

David Choukroun

Dear Virginie,

There is a small hope using this path :

In France, there is what we call the "Fond de Moscou", because those files (more than 2 millions of files!) were stolen during the WW2 and then given back in 1990s to the French National Archives

In real those files are multiples -- and you may find several records (from a simple administrative letter, to much much more, including photo, passport (in real limited right to stay in France), etc..

Is Wengelenski the right name to search ?  Can you please share as well the first name ? 

Many thanks


Re: Second Home Cemetery, Greenfield, Wisconsin #photographs

EdrieAnne Broughton

Make a request at Find a Grave.  All you have to do is ask the photographer to take a clear picture of the reverse side of the stone.  I've done that several times.  Just go to the person's memorial. There should be a request photo on the left. Click that and a box should come up for special instructions.  Just give what you want and be sure to thank the photographer.   At least it's not knee deep in snow right now.
EdrieAnne Broughton
Vacaville, California, where it's never knee deep in snow

Re: Number next to my Great Grandfather's name on the ship manifest ? #general

Diane Jacobs

It is the Certificate of Arrival number used to prove date of emigration needed for the US Naturalization Petition. The date on the passenger gives you an idea of when the person naturalized.

Diane Jacobs

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-------- Original message --------
From: loren greenberg <greenberg.loren@...>
Date: 7/24/20 2:31 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: [] Number next to my Great Grandfather's name on the ship manifest ? #general

What is the significance of the number written next to my Great Grandfather's name
on the ship manifest of 1911?
2-475862-10/13/30 or 31

Thank you,

Loren Greenberg
Los Angeles,California

Volpiansky - Balbieriskis and Kaunas, Lithuania
Milner-Smiltene, Latvia
Abelow-Meretz, Lithuania
Golub(ofsky), Perlow(sky)-Vasilishki, Ostryna Belarus
Shafir,Melamed,Agazim - Starokonstantinov, Ukraine
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: Searching for records of RUSSMAN from Pinsk #belarus #names


Good day, I had found the gravestone of Jacob Russman, which indicates his father as Aron. Will keep searching...

Re: Other names for Yitzchak? #names


My grandfather  was born in Warsaw in 1896 and his name was registered as ICCOK ANGIELCZYK  

His Hebrew name was יצחק

Reaching Out to Budapest City Archives for Resident Information (late 1800's to early 1900's) #galicia #hungary

Yaron Wolfsthal

Dear Group,
A relative lived in Budapest between 1896 and 1920.

I'd be happy to hear if fellow researchers on this group had any experience in reaching out to the City Archives of Budapest to explore the existence of information from that period.

Thank you - Yaron

Re: Research individuals in France #france

David Choukroun

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 09:16 AM, Coblentz Northwestern Administrative Services wrote:
@ Coblentz Northwestern Administrative Services

Following the guideline from Bernard Flam, you could find the reference of one Max Coblentz in France (1942)

Is it the right reference you are looking at ?  We could need more data as Coblentz is very similar to a city name as well



How to use the Paris Census record -- a guideline #guidelines #france

David Choukroun

how to use Paris Census records
Example : Rue LeMarois
Name : Rabinovitch
Years : 1931 / 1936
1st Step : Google map is always helpful (and Paris is beautiful :))

and find your street by name
you will find

2 important information there (highlighted in Red)  : the Arrondissement : XVI = 16iem
, and the Quartier : Auteuil (you may have several entries there because of changes in time)

3rd Step : go to Archive the Paris Web site :
and fill the form with previous information

then you shall have access to registers (some are  missing)

4th Step : DO NOT parse the complete records (500 x 8  images in average) unless you have time :)
the right method here is to understand quickly how the street names are sorted : most of the time by Alphabetical order but which one ? :)
example : Rue Lincoln, Paris 8iem :  it can be Abraham Lincoln ? or Lincoln ?  So A or L ? 
not to mention the tricks about the Passage, Impasse, Places ... that are recorded sometimes at the end of registers

As soon as you understand the structure of the file, it is much more easier to find your street
In my case, this is Rue LE MAROIS = L ==> 3rd line of the previous list
then you can follow the street number of the street (do not mix with the number of Family associated)
Rabinovitch can be found easily here :  (in my example : Rue LeMarois 35 and 37 on the top left, Family number is 38)

Trick: odd and even numbers of the streets might have been recorded separately !!!

What can you learn :
names of the full family
but also
the year of birth 78 = 1878, 12 =1912 , 05 = 1905, etc... in my case
country of origin : here Poland and Lettonie and Russie (the letter O, or N can indicate if there was a naturalisation )
Ch = Chef de famille = the husband
F = Femme = the wife
Enf = Enfant = Child
the Activity : e.g. here Steno  = Stenographe, and the last number is a reference to the employer
This is far far from complete -- I did it in a hurry -- I will complete most probably with Bernard Flam and others later

Hope that helps,

Best regards

Jewish families originated from Kobylnik (today Naroc in Belarus) living in France #belarus #france #poland



Docteur en Histoire,  je souhaiterais rencontrer des personnes juives et non-juives nées ou des descendants de personnes nées à Kobylnik en Pologne avant la guerre (aujourd'hui Naroc en Belarus) résidant actuellement en France.
Mes arrières grands-parents paternels y sont nés. Merci de prendre contact avec moi. Patrice Markiewicz. Courriel: patrice.markiewicz@...

Juifs de l'Empire russe, de Pologne et de Moldavie dans le 18e arrondissement de Paris aux 19e et 20e siècles #subcarpathia #ukraine #belarus #france #latvia


Docteur en Histoire contemporaine,  j'effectue des recherches sur "Les Juifs de l'Empire russe, de Pologne et de Moldavie immigrés dans le 18e arrondissement de Paris aux 19e et 20e siècles, de 1852 à 1944., sous la direction de la Fondation Casip-Cojasor. Vous êtes un.e descendant.e de ces personnes, merci de prendre contact avec moi. Types d'informations recherchées: adresse, métier ou profession, vie culturelle, religieuse, politique et syndicale, appartenance à des associations juives, landmanshaftn... Egalement des documents d'identité, des photos, etc. Merci pour vos collaboration et contribution. Patrice Markiewicz. Courriel: patrice.markiewicz@....

Re: Research individuals in France #france

David Choukroun

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 11:05 AM, Aaron Slotnik wrote:

Dear Aaron,
I am discussing with Bernard Flam about how to write a description of the next steps --  it will help all of you.
In your case, you did the main work : find a reference of the Naturalisation into the Journal Officiel (using Gallica) 
In real , it depends on the dates :  Before 1930, you shall use another reference (Bulletin des lois).

So you have now :05 feb 1942 (important to collect)

(obviously, the address is important -- as you may search in the Paris Census record to find the family)

@27.July 1947

What is next step :
you need to go to the French National Archive web site :

and look at Naturalisation "how to" (not sure there is an Eng. version): the game is to find the reference of the file of naturalisation
There is a double index entry process -- I know : this is painful (my view) because there are various paths depending on the period
and at the end, you need someone in Paris to book in advance the file and to scan it for you at a special place (and Covid is not helping those days)

in your case, 1942 and 1947 are not online (to my knowledge -- I might be wrong and happy to learn from others) (only 1883 to 1930 are)

So the method in your case is to ask the French National Archive to find the reference for you...
I am sorry this is so complicated

Best regards



Re: Jews from Russia in the 18tv arena of Paris during the 19th and 20th centuries #russia #poland #france


On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:43 AM, <ewkent@...> wrote:
Dear Patrice Markiewicz (I'm sorry, but I don't know your gender or whether you have a doctorate):

You mean 18th arrondissement, don't you?

( Arrondissements being divisions of/areas within Paris; "arenas" to English-speakers would suggest indoor spaces for sporting events or large concerts .)

I have (myself) no knowledge which would be of help, but I hope that readers who do have information on such families as you are looking for information from may be sure of what you are asking for (and it seems to me that you are looking for information on Jewish families from the Russian Empire (Czarist Russian Empire) and Poland who emigrated and lived in the 18th arrondissement of Paris in the 19th and 20th centuries).

Bonne chance/Good Luck,

Ethan Kent (in New York City)

 Sorry, I did a mistake: 18th area not arena (arrondissement in french).

Re: Research individuals in France #france

David Choukroun

@ Nancy and @ Yann

Dear Nancy, dear Yann

One you have found the decret number --thanks to the guideline from Bernard Flam -- you can go the French National Archives to deduct the file number to request
This is a little bit labyrinthal (we are in France right :) ), but in real this is very effective

In your case, here is the next step : 99375 x 28 and you can learn he was soldat at the "French Legion Etrangère" (so they have also a file)
as well as a city : Boulogne sur Seine

So next steps would be
1/ Search for the 99375x28 File that can be tons of information (pictures, handwriten mail, name of the full family etc...)
2/ Write the French Legion Etrangere (in French sorry)
Bureau des anciens de la Légion étrangère
Quartier Viénot - B.P. 21 355
3/ Look at the Census from Boulogne sur Seine to find a possible family (can be long without the exact address street number etc...)

Hope that helps


Re: Research individuals in France #france

David Choukroun

@ Marilyn Feingold

Dear Marilyn,
Without at least the city "outside of Paris" you mentioned for Bessie Schliffer , it will be difficult to search in France

The good news is that the French Foreign Legion -- as they keep all the records -- you can write (in French sorry) at
Bureau des anciens de la Légion étrangère
Quartier Viénot - B.P. 21 355

Obviously the more details you add, the easier it will be for them to search (they need a range of date at least)

Please note as well the change of name from Schliffer to Ashton for some (to be confirmed) relatives in UK (see the London Gazette July 1915)

Hope that helps


Re: Oath of Allegiance #canada

Alan Greenberg

The JGS-Montreal created the index you see on the Library and Archives Canada web site. The index currently goes to 1946, and we are waiting for them to post the last five years (Canada stopped publishing such records in 1951).

For reasons we have never determined, entries for naturalizations from about 1920 until 1932 give the date of the naturalization certificate OR the date of the oath of allegiance, but not both. We've never understood what the pattern is governing which was published, but in all cases these were actual naturalizations and files are available.

Ordering records requires that you be a citizen or resident of Canada. The JGS-Montreal offers a service to order records on behalf of researchers who are not qualified to do so. Write to naturalizations@....

Alan Greenberg
Jewish genealogical Society of Montreal

At 2020-07-24 06:56 PM, Jacob Heisler via wrote:
Hi Jeri,

yes, the Oath of Allegiance was an actual document. You can order it,
along with the entire naturalization file, from the Canadian
government. There's a website that explains how to order it here:
[text omitted]

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 4:29 PM Teewinot <teewinot13@...> wrote:

Hi Cousins,

My 1st cousin twice removed, Samuel Friedman, lived in Montreal, Quebec,
Canada. He took the Oath of Allegiance on June 21, 1923. Number and
Series is 24890 A. The date for certificate of naturalization is blank,
so I'm assuming he never naturalized. What I'd like to know is this:

1. Was the Oath of Allegiance an actual document?

2. What information does it contain besides the person's name?

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