What's a Cutter? #usa #general


It may help to determine how "cutting" was done.  If it was a single piece of cloth, cut with a pair of scissors, it's hard to identify fatal scenarios.  If we're talking multiple layers cut with a large knife, I can conceive of that knife inflicting a fatal wound.  Another possibility is a fire in the factory.
Particularly if there was a fire, the incident may have been covered in local papers.  If you have your ancestor's date of death, check the next couple of days.

Re: Hit a roadblock finding death certificate for NYC: names, certificate number, but no death year #general #usa #belarus


Hi Rafael,

I had a similar experience to yours while looking for my great-grandfather Solomon Gantcher's death certificate, also after receiving an hint. It listed his name, his wife's name Pauline, and that of his son Louis, and while it gave the certificate number, there was no date of death. I had always assumed he died in Russia sometime before 1910 and was very surprised to find that he may have died in NYC.

I filled out the NYC Archives order online (leaving out of course the death date) and emailed it with my credit card payment. Within a few days I got a return email with a copy of both sides of the death certificate attached. There was no problem with the missing date for some reason. However, it was not my great-grandfather Solomon's certificate--it was that of his son Louis! When I later checked, I found that another hint had shown up for my great-grandmother Pauline (Solmon's wife), also with the same certificate number, and this time again for their son Louis. Mystery solved.

It seems's hints do not in any way say whose death the certificate is for, but just lists the names of the parents, their birthplaces, and the name of their child. There's a separate hint generated for each person on the Ancestry record. This was an unfortunate example of Ancestry's hints sometimes causing more confusion than help.

Laura Katz
Great Barrington MA

LIPITZ - Smiela, Cherkasy, Ukraine
DAN - Veliuona, Kaunas, Lithuania
GOLDBERG - Bialystok, Podlaskie. Poland
GANTCHER - Slonim, Grodno, Belarus

Re: Public School 25 Brooklyn photos from ca. 1913 #photographs

Shelley Mitchell

JGS Libraries BOF at IAJGS 2020 Virtual Convention #events #announcements

Michelle Sandler

There is going to be for the first time a JGS Libraries and Librarians BOF at the IAJGS virtual convention.  This session will be on the Thursday of the convention at 10:30 am - 11:30 am Pacific Daylight Time.  I will be moderating so come join me.  We will talk about issues affecting our JGS Libraries.  We can talk about creating a master list of Jewish Genealogy relevant books.
Michelle Sandler
Orange County California JGS

Re: Other names for Yitzchak? #names

Steven Usdansky

My middle name is Ira. My given name gets misspelled somewhat frequently, my surname gets misspelled very frequently, but I've never seen my middle name misspelled.

Re: Deportation from U.S. ports back to Eastern Europe #general

Judy Salomon

Finding names of his two daughters.
Have you tried looking on Passenger arrival records for their visit to USA.
There were fewer immigrants in the 1930's and you might get lucky.
Judy Salomon
New Jersey

Judith Salomon
VP of Membership, JGS of North Jersey
FREUND Pruchnik, FELDMAUS Lezajnsk
SULTAN, Husiatyn, GOLDBERG Mostiska
SALOMON, HIRSCH, THAL Neumagen, Germany

ViewMate translation request -- German #germany #danzig


Hello All, 
I've posted a family letter in German from 1914 I need help translating.
The 2 pages are on ViewMate at the following addresses:

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you, 
Adam S.

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Communications Director

Re: What's a Cutter? #usa #general

Rich friedman

My father was a dress cutter starting after WWII. A dress cutter was a person who worked for a company that made dresses. His job was to pull rolls of material back and forth along a long table. When the pile reached a certain height he would put the pattern parts that made up  the dress on top of the pile and would use a machine to cut them out.
Rich Friedman
POK /POCK - Glubokie, Belarus
KURLANDCHIK- Seta and Jonava, Lithuanaia

Re: Looking for 19thC marriage record in NYC(?) #usa #austria-czech

Sherri Bobish


I searched
with broad parameters on name spelling, etc. and did not find a record using bride's surname Baunstein, or Jaffe (assuming that the following death record is the correct one.)

I did find what may be little Harry Cohen's death record at
May 2, 1910 Manhattan
Harry Cohen, 20 months old.

A bit more info transcribed at
The actual cert will have info on cause of death, and their address.
Name: Harry Cohen
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 22 May 1910
Event Place: Manhattan, New York City, New York, United States
Event Place (Original): Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 1
Birth Year (Estimated): 1909
Father's Name: Jacob
Mother's Name: Becky Jaffe
Certificate Number: cn 16413


Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Re: DNA and Gedmatch #dna

Bob Silverstein

GEDmatch is back up.  You might want to change your password.

Re: What's a Cutter? #usa #general

Alan Greenberg

It makes sense. When I was involved in the garment industry 60 years ago, the electric cutting machines (capable of cutting a pile of fabric 8 or more inches high) offered little protection to the cutter. Many were missing fingers or part of them. Google "stright knife cutting machine" images. Earlier in the century they were probably even more hazardous.

Alan Greenberg
Montreal, Canada

On July 25, 2020 12:34:49 PM EDT, "Phil Karlin via" <> wrote:
Thanks everyone.
Does it make sense that someone could be killed in a work-related accident? I could see injured, but killed?
Maybe it was not work related.

Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: Deportation from U.S. ports back to Eastern Europe #general

Sherri Bobish


Can you clarify some things about Miksa HIRSCHFELD's wife and two daughters?

Do you mean you do not know their first names, or that you do not know their surname because Miksa's wife re-married?

Did Miksa's wife and two daughters visit your family from abroad, or did they live in the U.S. at the time of their visit around 1930?


Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Ida Friedman/ Herman and Perl Katz #holocaust

Stuart Kaufer

Ida Friedman was the daughter of my maternal Great Uncle David Friedman who was murdered in Auschwitz.  The family lived in Nagytarna.  Ida contacted the family in 1949 and that is the last we heard of her.  She was sent to Stuthof KL and liberated there.   I do not know if she subsequently married or had children.  I have tried the usual avenues but nothing since 1949.   In the chance that this list serve may yield some information I am posting this and requesting information about her niece, Perl Katz.   Herman and Perl Katz lived in Munkacs, survived the war and emigrated to Israel.   I was in touch with them in the 60's when they were still in Munkacs, they had 3 sons, one of whom died.   One son's name was Friedrich.  Perhaps someone on the list knows of them or their children,  Perl and Herman are presumably dead as they were middle aged when I was in touch with them.   Thank you.

Re: What's a Cutter? #usa #general

Diane Jacobs

For many years if was known by New Yorkers S the rag business.

Diane Jacobs 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Mark Halpern <mark@...>
Date: 7/25/20 10:17 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Cc: Phil Karlin <philk@...>
Subject: Re: [] What's a Cutter? #usa #general

Many Jewish immigrants during that period took jobs as a cutter. My father's first job was as a cutter in 1921. A cutter is a person who cuts fabric. I would refer to this business as the "Shmatah" or clothing business. 

Mark Halpern


On 2020-07-25 9:55 am, Phil Karlin wrote:

An ancestor was killed in a work-related accident in 1894, in New York City. I can't find anything specific about the accident, but city directories & his children's birth records give his occupation as "Cutter."
Anyone know what that is? What type of business would employ such a person? How might it be dangerous?

Phil K.

Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: mtDNA matches #dna


For the most part, you would likely not be able to assume this match's ancestors were your *direct ancestors* even along the direct female line that is traced by mtdna. The issue is that the common ancestor is much more likely to be further back than almost anyone can trace.  They would indeed be cousins, and some of them could be direct ancestors, but you can't assume so. 

Re: What's a Cutter? #usa #general

Hilary Henkin

A cutter is more than someone who just cuts fabric.  When I did theatre
(props) in my prior career, the Cutter translated what the designer
sketched, into actual pattern pieces, and designed how to assemble those
pieces to create what the designer wanted.

Regular workers would cut out the fabric, sew/please, gather, etc.

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Re: mtDNA matches #dna


Rollie Stamps
JewishGen ID#51898

I am not an expert on the subject, so I contacted FamilyTreeDNA, due to your issue on the mtDNA sequence. This is their reply :

Thanks for contacting FamilyTreeDNA. At the full sequence level, even an exact match to your DNA (so a match with a genetic distance of zero) would likely share a common ancestor with you on your direct maternal line anywhere within the last 5-16 generations, or 125 to 400 years or so. When you start looking at matches with differences (genetic distance of 1, 2, or 3), those common ancestors can be even further back in time. Once you're looking at matches that are only at the HVR1 and HVR2 levels, it's possible that you could share a common ancestor with those matches anywhere within the last 1000 years. 

Depending on the extensiveness of your tree and your genealogy research, it's possible that your common ancestor could be further back than you have traced your genealogy.

The article I've linked below has a ton of great tips for getting the most out of your mtDNA matches and finding your common ancestor with them. I strongly recommend reading through it.

Hope this helps,


Re: What's a Cutter? #usa #general

Diane Jacobs

A cutter is usually in the garment business.

Also if your Karlin family was from Belarus 
And possibly originally Karlinsky, we should talk further. 

Diane Jacobs 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Phil Karlin <philk@...>
Date: 7/25/20 9:55 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: [] What's a Cutter? #usa #general

An ancestor was killed in a work-related accident in 1894, in New York City. I can't find anything specific about the accident, but city directories & his children's birth records give his occupation as "Cutter."
Anyone know what that is? What type of business would employ such a person? How might it be dangerous?

Phil K.
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: mtDNA matches #dna

Todd Leavitt

mtDNA certainly serves a purpose, but one must be cautious about reaching any conclusions regarding its actual value. My 92 year old mother belongs to haplogroup K1a1b1a, likely the most common group for Ashkenazi Jews. On FTDNA, she has over 425 0-step (i.e. no mutations present) matches! Compare that to my wife (who also turned out to be my cousin, sharing 85 cMs of DNA, probably on our maternal lines) who belongs to haplogroup H3p, and has only 14 0-step matches. Ultimately, both of them will trace back to Ancestral Eve. 

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