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Re: Nograd - Ludany, birth records KLEIN in 1880s #hungary

emmabcole@...
 

Very clever detective work, impressive! It's tantalisingly close, Szécsény is at the end of the book and seems to only go up to 1867 for births. The role/film is listed as item 4, so maybe there are more dates on a different film. But much easier to be searching in the right place, ie Szécsény, thank you Julia!


JewishGen Adds New Holocaust Database #JewishGenUpdates

Tony Hausner
 

Avoytanu informs us: JewishGen Adds New Holocaust Database.  Do not know how complete this database is, but have found several of my family records in it.  Don't know how it compares to the USHMM database.  Some came from my family town Yizkor Book that I arranged to be translated from the original.  Skala, Galicia.  

 

 
Tony Hausner Silver Spring, MD 20901 301--587-6943 (primary email address: thausner@...)

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Tony Hausner
thausner@...


Re: Weinstock from Hungary #general #hungary #slovakia

Aaron Slotnik
 

Dear Moishe,

I found Jonas' death record in the JewishGen Hungary Database in Oradea, Romania (formerly Nagyvarad, Hungary) and have attached it below.  There also appears to be a record in JOWBR for his wife in the Oradea Velenta cemetery, although she is only listed as Jonasne Weinstock.



Regards,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL


Isak (Ignacz) Weinstock, then BOROS #hungary

Moishe Miller
 

Hello Fellow Researchers,

My 1c4r, Isak Weinstock was born in Satoraljaujhely on 14 Jun 1859. See
LDS Film 642954 (DGS 4210898), page 033 (of 552), line 032 (#858). OR,
see:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89G7-F9B3-1?i=32&cat=292389

It seems he had a name change from Weinstock to BOROS. Is anyone
familiar with why that might be? Also, on the bottom margin, there are
some notes related to his record. Can anyone read the Hungarian to
decipher what it says? The notes span both sides of the page.

Thank you!

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@...


Re: Post WWII relatives records in Brussels, Belgium - JAKUBOWICZ #general

aviv_ya@...
 

Hi Sylvia,
I don't live in Belgium. But if for example a same related cousin lives in Brussels, how should he prove he is a a relative of the person?
We don't have any offical documents. Just names, address and pictures with references.

Best regards,
Aviv Yahav


Re: Post WWII relatives records in Brussels, Belgium - JAKUBOWICZ #general

aviv_ya@...
 

Hi Etienne,

In general, I'm trying to expand the search for my family (JAKUBOWICZ) roots from Poland. We were in contact between late 1950s to late 1960s with our allegedly cousins who named also JAKUBOWiCZ and immigrated from Poland to Belgium - not sure if before or after WWII. I have the names of the father and his daughter who born ~ 1946. I have their address in Brussels for that period of contact. I hope with some key facts I could find regarding them to link between the families and know more about my great grandparents.
Of course renewing the contact with them will be a bonus.

Where do you think I should start?

Best regards,
Aviv Yahav


Re: Shabbos meals #belarus

Molly Staub
 

My maternal family was from Ukraine, my paternal side from Bessarabia. Every Jewish family we knew had chicken on Friday nights,

 

 

Molly Arost Staub, M. A. in Journalism

E-mail staubmolly@...

 

AROST Bessarabia

SHTOFMAN-Bessarabia

BERENSON-Ukraine and England

GRAFFMAN/GROFFMAN-Ukraine and England


Re: Let's Introduce Ourselves #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Pablo, it is a great idea to revive our old request to "introduce" ourselves.

I also will ask if you did search our Romania (Bessarabia) database?  There are a lot of hits on CHAMUDIS (KHAMUDIS - that is the same).

For example. Tatar-Bunary was not a very large place, it is clear that this is your relative:


and one more:


There are also many records with this surname, but not in Tatar-Bunary, but in Akkerman.  It is possible that some registrations, like for Merchants could be done in that small town, but people were registered in Akkerman.

Also, please when you introduce what you are researching, in addition to Last name, write first name, and very important - dates people lived in town (approximate date is OK too).

I am looking forward to hear more introductions from our members, and please help each other if you can...  and if so, you would be helped too.

All the best,
Yefim Kogan


Re: Reaching Out to Budapest City Archives for Resident Information (late 1800's to early 1900's) #galicia #hungary

JPmiaou@...
 

People have already mentioned Hungaricana in general. Specifically for residents of Budapest in exactly that early-20th-century time period, they have a series of city directories (like a phone book, but minus the phone numbers):

https://library.hungaricana.hu/hu/collection/fszek_budapesti_czim_es_lakasjegyzek/

I don't have any experience with contacting the city archives, but their website has some possibly-relevant material:
http://bparchiv.hu/

Julia
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Re: Avigdor family of Mexico, Hartford, New Haven, Brooklyn and Toronto #usa #canada

Isme Bennie
 

If you google Avigdor Toronto, several names come up for you to contact as possible relatives.


Dead end for Ukraine records— please help #general

Elise.s3289@...
 

I have been trying for years to find records of my family before they came to america.  Their Ellis Island records and other documents say they lived in Kiev at the time of immigration. My great grandfather and his siblings were born there.  I believe there may have been other siblings that either stayed in Europe, or immigrated at another time.

My 2x great grandparents’ names were Moishe Spisman and Sisel Lechenger (both born about 1866).  I believe Moishe was born in Kamenetz.

Their children listed on the Ellis Island manifest were:
- Chane Spisman (b. 1888)
- Meier Spisman (b. 1892)
- Chaim Spisman (b. 1896)
- Alexander Spisman (b. 1898)
- Maria Spisman (b. 1902)

Sisel had a sister Bayla Leichenger who married an M. Silberman.

I also have a family story about a great uncle (possibly was a doctor) who was killed by wolves in Russia, but I don’t know his name or a way to ever find record of that.

I have close DNA matches with names I am unfamiliar with. My closest match is estimated to be 1st cousin 2x removed - 3rd cousin.  It makes me wonder if the Spisman/Lechenger names had changed or been different in Russia.


A curious mtDNA question #dna

Jody Gorran
 

I understand that surnames mean very little when interpreting mtDNA matches because we are referring to mothers and the matrilineal line. I have read and have been told that mtDNA matches seem generally to trace back 1000s of years, well beyond recorded history in most cases. However, what I am going to relate may simply be coincidental and nothing more. I’ve always had an interest in finding evidence that might show a familial connection to Spain as I am Jewish and considered Ashkenazi and have a close Y match whose family may have left Spain after the expulsion. I have had extensive DNA testing with Family Tree DNA beginning in 2007.

I have never paid much attention to my mtDNA haplogroup which is K1a4a until very recently when I noticed that of my 44 matches, 12 or slightly more than 25% seemed to have Spanish sounding surnames. What a coincidence. They include Reyes Cairo, Moncayo, Gonzalez, Silva, Cardozo, Ricardo, Ramos, Benator, Pavellas, Hinojosa, Gonzales, Avila. I wrote to them and received responses from several who actually said they had a Spanish connection. Obviously, those connections could have nothing to do with the mother’s side.

So my question is, while not quantifiable, given such a “coincidence” of Spanish sounding surnames, could “birds of a feather flock together” and perhaps the haplogroup K1a4a might actually exhibit a matrilineal line with Spanish connections?

Thank you for any thoughts.


Looking for Kupiskis SIG members #lithuania

Linda Cantor
 

Would the following people please contact me at lincanfamily@... re: Kupiskis SIG

Martin Kessel
Lily Warnick
Cecilia Aron
David Harnick-Shapiro
Abraham Barron
Elliot Sachar

Just trying to get the correct email addresses for members of the Kupishok group.
Linda


Re: Lithuania - Soloveitchik Brothers with Same Given Name #lithuania

Aaron Slotnik
 

I think I found the Revision List entries you're referring to in the Litvak SIG All Lithuania Revision List Database in Vilijampole.  Setting aside the rabbinical issue for the moment and just going by what I see, I would take the index at face value that Movsha 'Shames' and Meyer Soloveitchik were brothers.  I would want to see the original because they appear to be in the same household listing as well, although didn't come up that way the search results presentation for some reason as would typically be the case.  Movsha is a typical Russian form of Moshe . . . I would not consider them to be different names.

Note that the children and grandchildren of Movsha have question marks after that 'Shames' surname which implies to me that the indexer assumed that was their surname.  It's important to note that 'Shames' is also an occupation in the synagogue.  So, this could have been referring to his occupation or it could be that this was the secular surname that he took and was referred to in official documents, while he was known in the community as Movsha/Moshe Soloveitchik.

So, if this were my research I would take the working hypothesis that Movsha 'Shames' and Moshe Soloveitchik were the same person and then conduct additional research to prove/disprove that to be the case.  You're fortunate to have these revision list entries that will greatly assist with that.  If this is indeed a rabbinical family, there should be additional rabbinic sources that can be consulted that would help.  I don't see the corresponding 1818 Revision List entry for the family . . . I'm not sure if it has been indexed yet but you should seek that out as well.  Hopefully this helps!

By the way, as the previous responder suggested it's always best to include specific information in a question so that other researchers can assist without having to reproduce it themselves.

Regards,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL


Re: Nograd - Ludany, birth records KLEIN in 1880s #hungary

JPmiaou@...
 

Dvorzsák's gazetteer says Jewish residents of both Kis- and Nagy-Ludány were recorded in Szécsény. FamilySearch has browsable images of some of that congregation's records between 1850 and 1885 (https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/261203).

Julia
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Re: Translation of documents from German to English #translation

fredelfruhman
 

With a treasure trove like that, I suggest that he contact the Leo Baeck Institute in New York (lbi.org).  Not only is his collection of great historical value, but they have lists of translators who might be able to help.
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Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA


Re: Schiff Burial Society #general #galicia

Susan&David
 

See Guide to the YIVO Archives:

http://www.yivoarchives.org/index.php?p=collections/controlcard&id=33998&q=Hyman+Schiff

David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 7/26/2020 11:18 AM, carl.kaplan via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:

I am trying to determine where in Galicia my great-grandfather, Simon Hoffert, came from. He is buried in Mt. Zion Cemetery in New York, in the Hyman Schiff Sick & Benevolent Society Inc. area. Anyone know where I can find the history of this society, specifically whether is for people from a specific town in Europe? Thanks.

Carl Kaplan
Winchester, MA


Re: Ship Manifests, immigration #general

Susan&David
 

Ancestry indexes the Detained Alien Lists and the Board of Special Inquiry Lists.  Ancestry includes images of these lists and of the manifest itself.. Each list has  a Group and Number column. Each manifest page has a Group identification, added at the destination port.  You can find it in the upper right or in the upper left of the manifest page.  The Number is the line on which the immigrant appears.  You can sort through the manifest to find the page with the matching Group.  
Sometimes the the name on the lists is more legible to the indexers than is the name on the manifest, making it harder to match them both up.

David Rosen
Boston, MA   



On 7/26/2020 10:28 AM, Howard Morris via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:

If a name in the Manifest is on the Record of Detained Aliens or Held for Special Inquiry, wouldn’t that name also be in the body of the complete Manifest List? Ancestry and the other search sites point me to a name on Record of Detained Aliens or Special Inquiry lust, but do not find the name in the complete Manifest. Why? Is there an explanation for this?


Records from 1807-1811 #romania #bessarabia #ukraine

Yefim Kogan
 

Hello everybody,  Shavua Tov to you all.

You probably tired to hear from me about new discoveries.  But I cannot be silent and I  should share this new finding with all of you.

This time we got an oldest set of records for Bessarabian Jews...  these are records from 1808-1811.
Most records are from Khotin uezd, at that time Russian word "uezd" was not in use yet - the region was not yet under official Russian rule.  It was Moldova principality with ts suzerain, the sultan of the Ottoman Empire. It was Khotin tsinut.  That is an incredible interesting records with a lot of documents written with the records... 
But, here are few problems: 
  1) Jews at that time did not have surnames, actually Jews in Turkey received surnames late 19 century, beginning of 20th century.
 
  2)  It is not an easy read.   The records are in Russian,  but sometimes notes written in different languages, possible in Old Slavonic script.  I have enclosed an image (#856) with statistics on population in Khotin in 1808... On the right side at the bottom it is written in Russian, and it is stated that there were 1349 Jews in town from total of 2797 people.   The others were 
peasants and others (Russian orthodox) - 1309, and also 99 Armenians.  Imagine we have all records on these 1349 Jews!

Look above from the statistic table.  On the right site, it is still Russian, more or less regular with several letters not part of alphabet anymore, and some words nobody uses,  but on the left side script, which I cannot read at all.
If there is a specialist in Slavic old languages, please come over, and tell us what that language is...  I think it is old Slavonic, but maybe I am wrong.
Here is another page #860, and it seems to me more Greek script.

By the way there are 18 pages with families of Jews, men and women with first names of Jews, and father's name for the head of household in the family  (man).  For many there is also professions and in some cases I see a village near Khotin they live...  

In any case the #3) is to get someone to work on these records...  you got the idea.

Same microfilm might have records from Kiliya. and Bendery,  need to look more.

You might ask, why the records are written in Russian, even the region was not yet under Russian rule?

The answer to this is that Russia occupied a lot of lands in 18 century, like part of Moldova Principality, Walachia Principality (which is now in Romania), and also smaller regions on Balkans, like Serbia, etc.  All the documents are signed by Military generals of Russian Empire.  Only in 1812 with Bucharest agreement Russians left Balkans, Walacha, part of Moldova, and only Bessarabia remained under their rule,

I know from historical papers, that there is a census done for Jews in 1770-80s in Moldova Principality (included all Bessarabia)  by Russian military, occupying that land at that time.

I am looking forward to hear from you...  hope you are existed as I am.

Any volunteers?  specialist in old Slavonic languages?

All the best,
Yefim Kogan


Re: What's a Cutter? #usa #general

Mike Schwartz
 

A cutter worked in the garment industry, and was the one who cut the fabric from patterns.  It was a highly skilled position because the cutter had to be faithful to the pattern while minimizing the amount of fabric wasted.  I had several ancestors who were cutters, and they were noticeably better off financially than other relatives of the same era in the garment industry.

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