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Re: Shabbos meals #belarus

Chana Bonn
 

We often had fish, i.e., milchig, on Friday nights because there was always fresh fish from the fish monger who came around the neighborhood to provide our many Catholic neighbors with fresh fish on Fridays.  My cousin, who lived in a different neighborhood, complained!! to his mother that Friday night dinner was always the same--soup and chicken!  


Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

tom
 

your arguments are wonderful, but like the little old lady said in the fast food ad, "show me the beef".
 
please provide us with just one single properly documented case, out of all the millions of immigrants who landed at ellis island, where an american official changed the immigrant's name.  it shouldn't be difficult.
 
 
....... tom klein, toronto
 
 

At 3:07 -0700 19/7/20, main@... wrote:
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Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names
From: YaleZuss@...
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 23:56:48 EDT
Karen Silver and Philip Trauring, who writes the blog where Avivah Pinski found another claim against involuntary name changes (https://bloodandfrogs.com/2011/05/name-changes-at-ellis-island.html),
 
[snip!]
 
your ancestors, you don't discard anything they tell you unless and until you have actual proof that what they told you is wrong. NINC appears to have originated to motivate the wholesale discarding of family narratives, which would destroy whatever data they include; it's conceptually not that different from burning down an archive.
 
Yale Zussman


Re: Let's Introduce Ourselves #bessarabia

Pablo Libedinsky
 

Iryna,
Sorry but the I've never seen the name Goichberg in my research.
It doesn't seem to be related to Chamudis, or any of its variations.


Re: Shabbos meals #belarus

jsheines@...
 

 I grew up in a small town in south Texas (and still live in that area but in San Antonio) which was and is heavily Catholic and school lunches on Friday were never meat.

Herschel Sheiness


Re: Shabbos meals #belarus

Roberta Schoen
 

I have heard that in France they have milchog on Shabbos since Catholics have no meat on Fridays and they didn’t want to offend them/stand out.  


roberta


Re: Weinstock from Hungary #general #hungary #slovakia

JPmiaou@...
 

I'm not certain that the man on the 1869 census in Tokaj (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSK8-839K-X?i=429&cat=385993) and the man who died in Nagyvárad are the same person: the census definitely gives "N. Géres" as his birthplace, while the death record is transcribed as saying Szentes for the birthplace. 1906 is nearly a decade after the great official placename-disambiguation project in Hungary, so by then, unmodified "Szentes" meant only the town in Csongrád county, in southern Hungary; for the place in Zemplén county, you had to specify "Bodrogszentes". This would've been especially important in a register entry in a different county, but of course, the registrar could simply have gotten it wrong (because he didn't know to ask the right questions).

You probably already have this, but... Birth of Moricz Weinstock on 23 June 1869, line 14:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9PH-3999-N?i=429&cat=293139

Marriage of Jonas and Rozalia in Sátoraljaújhely (18 June 1861) also has Nagygéres as his birthplace (entry number 195):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89G7-F9B9-V?i=424&cat=292389

Unfortunately, it looks like FamilySearch does not have Jewish records for Királyhelmecz (where both Nagygéres and Bodrogszentes were supposedly recorded).

Julia
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Re: Shabbos meals #belarus.

N. ARONSON
 

With a nod to my friend of our youth, as far as I know the Dutch custom was, and often still is, to eat Milky at the Shabbos morning meal, but Friday night was meaty


Re: IAJGS Conference Announcement #jgs-iajgs #education #events #announcements

tony hausner
 

Thanks for the reply. When will they be available to view. Now, when the conference starts, or a different timeframe.  And how to acces. Will there be a link on that page.  


Re: Let's Introduce Ourselves #bessarabia

Pablo Libedinsky
 

Yefim,
I have not checked the Romania (Bessarabia) database but I will.
I only have a couple of first names but I'll include them later.

I'll be very happy to help anyone if I can.

Thank you.
Pablo


Seeking Neuberger who disappeared in Yugoslavia in 1945 #hungary #general

R. Reuven K. Koffler
 

Hi JewishGenners, 

I am trying to track down every bit of information about: 

Friedrich, Frigyes (Fritz) Neuberger de Hlinik .
Friedrich was born in Pelsoz (then in the Austro- Hungarian Empire) in 1891.
Was a decorated officer in the Austro- Hungarian army in WWI, 
Lived in Zagreb,Croatia, exported wood from the port town of Rijeka, then Susak / Fiume, and from Trieste.
Friedrich disappeared in Communist Yugoslavia, after the end of the war, in 1945.   

I would deeply appreciate any idea about what resources may be available to find a clue to the enigma. 

Many thanks in advance and best wishes.

Reuven Koffler, Jerusalem. 


Re: Lost family in Ukraine-a dead end #ukraine

Gary Pokrassa
 

I have very good news Stanley - there are a number of records from Belaya Tserkov which have been recently processed and are in the queue for uploading to the database including 1875 revision list and metric records ranging from 1852-1898 but these are sporadic and only about 1/3 of the years are presented;  please be just a bit patient and they should be available

Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division


Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna

Jesse Springer <Jessemspringer@...>
 

Hoping someone with experience finding elusive Jewish ancestors based on DNA matches can help...

My dad didn't know he had Jewish ancestry until taking a MyHeritage DNA test and receiving his report that estimates he is ~19% Ashkenazi and ~11.5% West Asian (the remaining ethnicity percentages are English & Irish/Scottish, which we anticipated but expected to total nearly 100% combined).

Anyways...the West Asian DNA is also assumed to be from a Jewish ancestor because when we filter his genetic matches to show only those with West Asian results, the first match is named Avi Cohen, and the name of another is written in Hebrew and lives in Israel.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but these percentages seem to suggests that at least 1 of his grandparents was of nearly 100% Jewish ancestry. This is a complete mystery to us, as for several generations his family identified as Irish, English & Scottish (his report attested that this is indeed the case, just not to the extend he anticipated), and we have the documents that show the births of his known ancestors in Ireland and England, as well as their immigration to the USA.

Using MorleyDNA and YFull software, my father's haplogroup is predicted to be Q-M378. From what I've researched, the majority of Irish males belong to the R haplogroup (his paternal line all identified as Irish, while his maternal line was mostly English & some Scottish). My dad's surname is HALLORAN (originally O'HALLORAN when his paternal great-grandfather lived in Ireland; he changed it to Halloran upon immigration to USA). There's a Y-DNA haplogroup project at FTDNA for males with surname Halloran/O'Halloran, and sure enough, the ones so far who have contributed to the project consistently test as R haplogroup, which is not surprising considering that's the haplogroup of most Irish men.

From what I've read, haplogroup Q-M378 is fairly common in Ashkenazi and also West Asian males. So in light of this, we've concluded that his Ashkenazi/West Asian ancestry was on his paternal side. This certainly helps narrow things down, but still leaves us scratching our heads because of the Halloran surname and several generations of Irish Catholic idenity without a hint of Jewish ancestry. We know my dad wasn't adopted, as he looks just like his father, and although his brother doesn't look much him, his brother's son looks almost like he and my dad could be twins. We are fairly certain his father wasn't adopted because he closely resembles his 9 siblings (I don't have a picture of his parents to compare but I'm assuming there's just no way they adopted 9 children who all looked alike). One possibility is that my grandfather's dad was adopted. But this also seems unlikely since we have his birth certificate and nothing hints at adoption, so it leaves me wondering if an extramarital affair took place and that's why his paternal haplogroup deviates from the typical R haplogroup of Irish/Halloran males. If this is what happened, it seems unlikely to ever find out who the real father was... but I am hoping that one day the truth can be found and my father can know more about his genetic ancestors.

Thanks so much in advance for your time and helpful suggestions! I apologize for such a long post! 🤭


Use of "ben Avraham" on a headstone #general

Jeff Lieberman
 

If the family of a deceased (nonobservant) Jewish man doesn't know the name of his parents, how would his name be shown on his headstone? Would "ben Avraham" be used to signify that he was Jewish, e.g., Shalom ben Avraham?
 
Jeff Lieberman


Re: Definition of a family name BARIOT #names

danbrockman@...
 

Well, good question. The general answer is that you are writing a Jewish Russian family name in English using common English characters. The original name sounded something like that with k's and ch and z and so on. The ancestors could not read or write their own name or anything else actually. So scribes wrote it for them if they needed a permission slip to leave or other documents. When they got to Ellis Island another scribe wrote something down that sounded right to him. He probably came from Russia himself. So you can't look up Bariot anywhere back in the old country, especially in Minsk, where a very large population of Jews lived.


Seeking info about MEYER LEVIN (Born Danzig +/- 1789), see advertisement and PERLBACHs #unitedkingdom #germany

oodrual@...
 

Meyer LEVIN left Danzig before the rest of the family adopted the name of PERLBACH. He went to London.
I am trying to find the link with Jacob LEVIN (resided in London, later on in Cape Town as a Cape merchant, then returned to London where he died)) as well as with my great-grandmother Clara LEVIN, widow of Samuel BERNARD, niece or cousin of Jacob.
Ron Peeters 
Ulvenhout (NL)


Re: Name variants for Ovsey/Yehoshua Fuchs/Fuks? #names #dna #usa

Alex Fuchs
 

There was a question about Ovsey name.

"Ovsey" is a common Russian variant for Yehoshua  


Re: Gershon Kleinman from Warsaw #poland

Jerry2000K@...
 

Hi Sherri

Thank you for replying, Grandpa Gerson was born in Nov.10, 1885. He came to NYC and according to records was picked up by his brother Samuel, they both were Bakers. In 1923 His wife Dora, Dwoira and there two sons David my dad and Sol came two NYC.
I don't have any family left to ask questions, so I'm reaching out. hope you can help
I check all over for info. right now I'm on Ancestry
Jerry Kleinman
Florida


Re: Searching Stein from Nowy Szacz, former Galicia (Poland) around 1805 #poland

sylvia vanderhoeft <sylvia.vanderhoeft@...>
 

thanks for your reply Stephen, I did know about the changed name but the main problem is the date 1805 ! they moved to Hungary, Màd around 1845 , I'm getting nowhere with this. I tried the archives in Poland but they didn't even bother to reply.


Re: Viewmate Translation Request - Russian #translation

ryabinkym@...
 

VM83397

In Russian:

22

Замброво

 

Состоялось в городе Ломжа 26-го января (6-го февраля)1897-го года, в 9 часов утра явились лично жители города Ломжа Абрам-Довид Шейнкоп, 45-и лет и Малхиль Ружа, 56-и лет и объявили: вчера, в 3 часа дня, умерла Хая-Эстер Квятек, 38-и лет,  дочь Цалки Мордковича и Фейги Лейбовны, урожденной Бурштвич, супругов Липшитц, жительница посада Замброво, оставив после себя овдовевшего мужа Шансу Пинхасовича Квятек. По настоящему удостоверяю о кончине Хаи-Эстер Квятек.  Акт сей присутствующим подписан и ими подписан.

 

 Абрам-Довид Шейнкоп

Малхиль Ружа

Чиновник гражданского состояния

Президент города Ломжа    Подпись

 

Translate into English:

22

Zambrovo

 

It took place in the city of Lomza on January 26 (February 6), 1897, at 9 o'clock in the morning the residents of the city of Lomza Abram-Dovid Sheinkop, 45 years old, and Malhil Ruzha, 56 years old, personally appeared and announced: yesterday, at 3 o'clock in the afternoon, Khaya-Esther Kvyatek, 38 years old, daughter of Tsalka Mordkovich and Feiga Leibovna, nee Burshtvich, spouses Lipshitz, a resident of the Zambrovo posad, died, leaving behind her widowed husband Shansa Pinkhasovich Kvyatek. I truly certify the death of Chai-Esther Kvyatek. This act was signed and signed by those present.

 

 Abram-Dovid Sheinkop

Malhil Rouja

Civil Status Officer

Lomza City President Signature

 

Comment:

 

Names:

Tsalka Mordkovich, mean Tsalka, son of Mordka.

Feiga Leibovna, Feiga, daughter of Leiba

Shansa Pinkhasovich, Shansa, son of Pinkhas


Re: Records from 1807-1811 #romania #bessarabia #ukraine

semion@...
 

Hi Yefim,

This is indeed very interesting finding! Can you provide with the source of the document (archive) if it is available please?

Thank you!
Semion Sucholutsky

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