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Re: DNA tests for genealogy in Israel #dna

Alex Fuchs
 

I agree with David,
For best results, you need the most matches, and Ancestry has the biggest database by a mile.

You can always upload Ancestry results to others, but not vise versa.
I have more discoveries from Ancestry matches than from others combined.
Alex Fuchs


Re: Use of "ben Avraham" on a headstone #general

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Ben Avraham is used on tombstones when the father’s name is unknown, or when the deceased is a convert.  

   "Traditionally, adult Jews-by-Choice are called up to the Torah with their chosen Hebrew name followed by ben Avraham Avinu   (son of Abraham our father) or bat Sara Imeinu (daughter of Sara our mother.)  In most Reform and Conservative synagogues, however, the minhag (tradition) of using both the father’s and mother’s names means most choose to be called up as ben or bat Avraham v’Sara (son or daughter of Abraham and Sarah). 


On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:10 PM, Jeff Lieberman via groups.jewishgen.org <jhl1023=verizon.net@...> wrote:

Thanks. There is a Star of David on the grave marker. The question related to my grandfather since I recently found his birth record and it shows his father's name to be Meier. He came to the U.S. by himself, and I don't have any surviving relatives who might be able to explain the discrepancy.


Re: SCHAUER Family From Vyzhnytsia #ukraine

SKNR
 

Hi,
Thanks for the detailed answer!
I do have a specific date of birth for one of the family members, but i couldn't locate him in those books.
I attached 2 pictures, do you recognize one of them as "Benzion Schauer"? date of birth 21 Dec. 1918.

Stav kaynar


Re: ViewMate translation request - Russian #translation #russia

ryabinkym@...
 

In Rusian:

 

ФОТОГРАФИЯ

Б.А.Пашкевича

в г. Острог Волынской Области по

Александровской Улице, Собственный дом

 

Translate into English:

 

THE PHOTO

B.A. Pashkevich

in City Ostrog, Volyn Region

Aleksandrovskaya Street, Own house


Re: My paternal great-grandfather Ben PRESS from Vilkija or Seredzius #lithuania

Mashiach L. Bjorklund
 

My wife's great grandmother was Sarah Frieda Press (1884-1958). She was born in Šiauliai, Lithuania. She was the daughter of Issac Simon Press and Rachel Leah Reya. Issac was born in Rietavas, Lithuania (1857) and Rachel was born in Šiauliai, Lithuania (1855). Both died in Leeds, Yorkshire, England (1927 and 1936). Perhaps this info will give you a few new places to look.


Re: Trying to obtain a 1922 birth certificate from Oradea (Nagyvarad), Romania #romania #hungary #general

David Choukroun
 

On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 04:31 PM, David Choukroun wrote:
Gheorghe
@ Reiner

Dear Reiner,

I had a look to the usual french database for the soldier dead during WW2 here : https://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defense.gouv.fr/fr/arkotheque/client/mdh/militaires_decedes_seconde_guerre_mondiale/index.php
Unfortunately without success

Is there more details available ?

regards
David

david.choukroun@...


Re: Use of "ben Avraham" on a headstone #general

Jeff Lieberman
 

Thanks. There is a Star of David on the grave marker. The question related to my grandfather since I recently found his birth record and it shows his father's name to be Meier. He came to the U.S. by himself, and I don't have any surviving relatives who might be able to explain the discrepancy.


Re: A curious mtDNA question #dna

Mashiach L. Bjorklund
 

mtDNA does not reflect very recent ancestry very well. So perhaps deep in your family roots you had a Sephardic maternal ancestor. In other words a common ancestor who's descendants are now both Ashkenazi and Sephardic. It's also possible that deep in your family roots a maternal female sibling or cousin married into a Sephardic family. Those Sephardic descendants would also have similar mtDNA to yours even though collectively you share a common Ashkenazi ancestor with them.

In any case, intermarriage was not that uncommon between both groups, even hundreds of years ago. Ultimately all Jews descend from the same group of common ancestors as well. The Netherlands has had an active Sephardic community since the 1400's. They literally lived next door to their Ashkenazi neighbors for hundreds of years and I am sure there are plenty of examples of intermarriage from that. Many other places (like Greece and Italy) have had both groups living side by side for longer than that.

BTW, my wife's grandmother was Sephardic from the Azores and her grandfather was Ashkenazi. So my daughter has Sephardic mtDNA but she was raised in the Ashkenazi culture as were her parents (us). But it was traditional genealogy and oral family history that explained her DNA results to us.

So while your DNA discovery is interesting, any real answer will probably still have to come from traditional genealogy. In the mean time, try a few Sephardic dishes for dinner. See if the taste has a familiar ring to it.


Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna

Jesse Springer
 

Ken, thanks for sharing your insight.  This is certainly a plausible theory as to the origin of his Jewish DNA. One thing I know is that his family tradition held that his ancestors in Ireland were called the "Black Irish", which is a term I have found mentioned in commentary on Sephardic Jews of Ireland, though not exclusively. The surname O'Halloran in Gaelic means "stranger from across the sea." However, it is known that O'Hallorans established their clan in Ireland before the Inquisition, and I have not found any evidence that they were of Jewish ancestry. Also, the common Y-DNA haplogroup among Irish males, including ones with O'Halloran/Halloran surname, is the R haplogroup, which doesn't add up with his predicted Q-M378 haplogroup, using MorleyDNA and YFull software at least (I ordered a LivingDNA Y-DNA and mtDNA kit to get a better picture and I'll update this post when I get those results in several weeks). I do think his ~11.5% West Asian DNA (and I should add that although it's not a significant percentage, his report estimated 1.2% Iberian) does hint at Sephardic ancestry in combination with his Ashkenazi ancestry, I'm just doubtful it comes from the O'Hallorans in his family tree considering all the above that's known about Irish O'Hallorans. I think there are 3 plausible theories: a) his grandfather was Jewish and adopted by Irish O'Halloran family, b) his grandfather's mother had an extramarital affair with a Jewish man, or c) all the O'Hallorans and women who married them were Jews who changed their names to be common Irish names and assimilated into Irish Catholicism (they adhered to Catholicism for several generations in his family tree). Gonna keep searching for answers though. Thanks again for your feedback! 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 1:47 PM Kenneth Ryesky <kenneth.ryesky@...> wrote:
Many Jews in Spain and Portugal assimilated into the population following the Inquisition and expulsion.  I have seen estimates that one-fourth of the Spanish population has Jewish ancestry.
 
Approximately a century following the expulsion from Spain, the Spanish Armada had its (mis)adventures in Ireland.
 
Through such dynamics, there no doubt is Jewish DNA to be found amongst today's Irish population.
 
-- Ken Ryesky
Petach Tikva, ISRAEL
 

--
Ken Ryesky,  Petach Tikva, Israel     kenneth.ryesky@...


Re: DNA tests for genealogy in Israel #dna

David Brostoff
 

On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Herbert Lazerow <lazer@...> wrote:

If you are ordering an autosomal test like Family tree DNA's Family Finder, it is better to order it from either Family Tree DNA or MyHeritage than from Ancestry because Ancestry provides minimal information compared to the other two, and after you get your results, you can download your genome from one and post it on the other at no charge, thereby gaining access to another database of possible matches.
It's actually the opposite.

FTDNA and MyHeritage accept data from Ancestry, but unfortunately Ancestry does not accept data from other testing services.

<https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/Downloading-AncestryDNA-Raw-Data>

David


Re: A curious mtDNA question #dna

Barbara L. Kornblau
 

This is a good question for Genie Milgrom....https://www.geniemilgrom.info. If anyone knows the answer to your question, she does.


Re: My paternal great-grandfather Ben PRESS from Vilkija or Seredzius #lithuania

Lin Mor
 

We may have corresponded in the past. I, too, have conducted an extensive search on Jewishgen and found little that can be used decisively. My maternal great grandmother was Rachel Leah Press/Pres before she married David Schneider/Shneyder. There is probably a link between our families somewhere, a clue in that favor is the fact that your places are near Kaunas. Rachel and David lived in Vidukle, near Raseiniai after they were married and that is where their children and some of their grandchildren were born. Have you done a DNA test?


Re: DNA tests for genealogy in Israel #dna

Herbert Lazerow
 

If you are ordering an autosomal test like Family tree DNA's Family Finder, it is better to order it from either Family Tree DNA or MyHeritage than from Ancestry because Ancestry provides minimal information compared to the other two, and after you get your results, you can download your genome from one and post it on the other at no charge, thereby gaining access to another database of possible matches.
Bert
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Professor of Law, University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park, San Diego CA 92110
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Re: DNA tests for genealogy in Israel #dna

Alex Fuchs
 

I had a similar question recently and called FTDNA.
They told me that they do sell to Israel all their DNA tests.
Why are you looking at mtDNA?  Unless you are interested in a very specific maternal line question, most people start with autosomal DNA (atDNA or Family Finder).
I was told that FTDNA sale is coming in August.
Alternatively, you can order Ancestry DNA from Amazon and ship it back yourself.
Then you can upload to FTDNA, MyHeritage, and GEDmatch.
 


Re: Ship Manifests, immigration #general

Judith Glock
 

pls let us know what you find out as if they were detained, the actual manifest does not seem to be findable !!
judy glock
az


Re: Shabbos meals #belarus

Mashiach L. Bjorklund
 

Milchig was not part of my growing up family experience, but my wife's maternal ancestry is Sephardic. Their Shabbos meals were often milchig and included fish. Since I am the family cook I have researched Sephardic dishes as a way to connect my wife and kids to that heritage. Perhaps your ancestors were influenced by Sephardic Jews within their community.


Re: Double First Name, 2nd Maiden Name, or Something Else? #galicia #general

Christine De Angelis
 

Could Hoffert be a previous husband's name and Nuseaue (or whatever it actually is) Esther's maiden name? 

As others have implied, an index is simply a finding aid.  Trust nothing, verify everything is my motto, lol.


Re: Landsmann article #general

Lee Hover
 

I'm sure there is a library system in Israel.  Have you spoken to the librarian re obtaining the article ?


Re: Shabbos meals #belarus

Lee Hover
 

We were not religious, but every Friday nite it was chicken soup & chicken.    (And my mother was a lousy cook!)


the English equivalent of Asnel or Zammel #names

Sylvia Tulkoff
 

Does anyone know the English equivalent of Asnel or Zammel? Are these names Yiddish or Hebrew?
I found them in a letter written in Yiddish to my in laws but cannot connect them to anyone in the family that I know.
Thanks for your assistance.
Sylvia Tulkoff

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